Bob Welch's 1990 season

[nynasty]

.361 in fenway that year
28 of his homeruns
75 of his RBI

he also hit .313 in yankee stadium that year.

his road struggles were limited to a handful of teams that year

6 games in CAL, ,200 avg
5 in arlington, .063 avg
7 in toronto, .206 avg
5 in seattle, .105 avg
8 in baltimore, .161 avg

he didnt hit below .250 anywhere else, and his low above that .250 (5 game sin KC) he hit .263 in minny.

8 in cleveland, .324
5 in chicago, .364 avg
7 in milwaukee, .375 avg
5 in oakland, .455 avg
8 in detroit, .306 avg
7 in NYY, .313 avg

weird splits

oddly, he hit .192 on turf. 17 games.

Well, the fact remains that he was a different player outside of Fenway. Both in 1978 and for his career.

He was HOF caliber in Fenway (.320/.374/.546), largely average outside of it (.277/.330/.459)


I honestly don't get why Evans didn't get more love from the HOF. IMO, watching both, he was the better overall player.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Looking at 5-8 game samples can do that

just going off the BBR splits

 

[Rock Strongo]

Well, the fact remains that he was a different player outside of Fenway. Both in 1978 and for his career.

He was HOF caliber in Fenway (.320/.374/.546), largely average outside of it (.277/.330/.459)


I honestly don't get why Evans didn't get more love from the HOF. IMO, watching both, he was the better overall player.

deweys defense...

it took me a long time to realize what my childhood hero rice really was. a product of his home park.

dewey should be in for a number of reasons, over rice IMO. i still have visions of dewey trying to stretch a a triple in camden, as an oriole vs the sox, into an inside the park HR. thrown out at home.
came really close tho for a 39 year old.

 

[nynasty]

deweys defense...

it took me a long time to realize what my childhood hero rice really was. a product of his home park.

dewey should be in for a number of reasons, over rice IMO. i still have visions of dewey trying to stretch a a triple in camden, as an oriole vs the sox, into an inside the park HR. thrown out at home.
came really close tho for a 39 year old.

Best defensive RF I've ever seen.

Still.

 

[DragonfromTO]

just going off the BBR splits

My point is still the same though. 5-8 games worth of data is interesting but really not enough to draw conclusions from. So it's not surprising seeing "weird splits".

 

[Rock Strongo]

My point is still the same though. 5-8 games worth of data is interesting but really not enough to draw conclusions from. So it's not surprising seeing "weird splits".

I get it, but thats 71 total road games i posted.

 

[black francis]

Even in 1978, Rice was only a .269 hitter outside of the Fens.

Guidry's WAR was 9.6, Rice's 7.6

Red Sox fans will tell you he was "feared"

 

[black francis]

Mattingly won it in 1985 with the 6th best WAR

 

[DragonfromTO]

I get it, but thats 71 total road games i posted.

The road game overall total is not cited in the post that I responded to, in that post it is broken up into 5-8 game samples.

I'm not trying to shit on you or anything, I'm just saying that weird splits do happen over small samples. Which I believe you "get".

 

[Rock Strongo]

The road game overall total is not cited in the post that I responded to, in that post it is broken up into 5-8 game samples.

I'm not trying to shit on you or anything, I'm just saying that weird splits do happen over small samples. Which I believe you "get".

yes, and they total 71 games. i cant help he played 8 here, 5 there. it is what it is i guess.

no offense taken eh

 

[kburjr]

Steve Carlton 1972, 30 complete games, 1.97 ERA, 27-10,

For a team that went 59-97

 

[navamind]

Red Sox fans will tell you he was "feared"

Rice was more feared by the worms in the dirt.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Bob Gibson says big fucking deal
1968 went 22-9 with 1.12 era
28 CG 13 SO
from june 6 to july 30 11-0 all CG and gave up 3 runs

How do you lose 9 games with a 1.12 ERA.................WTF

Tiant had a 1.60 ERA for the Tribe in '68 and also lost 9 games (won 21).
Extreme outlier of a year...

 

[Indrid Cold]

Red Sox fans will tell you he was "feared"

The only thing Rice feared was not getting his check...the one thing I will say in his favor is that he learned to play The Wall quite well, but he still was not really a good defensive player overall.
What a transition from being a total jackwad as a player to Mr Nice Guy so he could get a NESN job. He's basically the black Eck as far as personality goes.

 

[navamind]

Tiant had a 1.60 ERA for the Tribe in '68 and also lost 9 games (won 21).
Extreme outlier of a year...

doesn't help that 1968 had the lowest ERA in modern era baseball (2.98). Tiant had a fantastic year, but his 1.60 ERA was good for "only" a 186 ERA+ which ranks tied for 79th all-time. There have been several seasons with a higher ERA+ over the last few years (2016 Hendricks, 2009 and 2015 Greinke, 2017 Kluber, 2013-14 Kershaw, 2015 Arrieta). Greinke went only 16-8 in 2009 as the Royals bullpen and lineup were dumpster fires.

 

[Indrid Cold]

Mattingly won it in 1985 with the 6th best WAR

...and wasn't even the best player on his team, take a bow Rickey!

 

[nynasty]

Mattingly won it in 1985 with the 6th best WAR

Shoulda been Rickey in '85, Donnie Baseball in '86

 

[black francis]

Shoulda been Rickey in '85, Donnie Baseball in '86

Rickey had the best WAR, but Brett had better stats across the board.

Stolen bases and runs scored must carry significant weight

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Rickey Hendy, Big Mac, Canseco and Eck might've been a bit of a factor in that.


The As were kinda good.

They was a juicin'

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

Davis almost gave his life for that ring. I don’t begrudge him...

'90 World Series right? Didn't Marge Schott threaten to dock his share because of the hospital expenses?