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Gloves drop over former Oiler Pisani's backyard rink | Local News | St. Albert Gazette

imagine what an asshole you have to be to tell a guy he can't put a rink in his own back yard.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

the guy just wants his kids to experience what he did growing up ... to be able to go outside, skate around with something in the air at night, with the stars so bright

 

[jstewismybastardson]

i 'ed it when i posted it in coffee talk but the idea of calling the rink the Colitis-eum still kinda makes me chuckle




/im going to hell

 

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I hope he hooks up some outside speakers around the rink and plays this non-stop...

 

[Slimpikins]

I like that another neighbo(u)r in the subdivision has had a hockey rink up for three years without any complaints but once an en-NHLer builds one people freak out.

I think that some people are not satisfied with certain aspects of their life so they seek to satisfy those needs by trying to control others actions and behavio(u)rs, that is very sad.

 

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As somebody in the comments stated, "Can you imagine if Walter Gretzky was stopped from putting in a backyard rink?"

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I like that another neighbo(u)r in the subdivision has had a hockey rink up for three years without any complaints but once an en-NHLer builds one people freak out.

I think that some people are not satisfied with certain aspects of their life so they seek to satisfy those needs by trying to control others actions and behavio(u)rs, that is very sad.

I wanna live in this neighbourhood lol

(from this newspapers letter to the editor section)

Higher-earning families part of St. Albert's appeal
By:
| Posted: Saturday, Apr 03, 2010 06:00 am

In the past few months it has become apparent to the people of St. Albert that a proposed project by Habitat for Humanity has been planned for an area of Akinsdale. At first word of this my wife and I had no comment as we believed this would not affect us, but as time wears on we have come to realize that this is an issue that will affect all St. Albert residents.

My family and I are homeowners in a new development in Kingswood. We moved our family and business to St. Albert so our children could have what we believed would be a better upbringing. The list of amenities made the decision easy; some examples are good schools and programs (not so crowded), low crime, a higher standard of living, great recreational possibilities and numerous other aspects. Every example owes itself to one major factor: high or above-average income.

The average family income for St. Albert is higher than in Edmonton or any other area municipality. We moved to St. Albert because we can afford it and we deserve it. This is a great city with great families. We feel comfortable joining in activities we would not have considered in Edmonton.

This development is a bad idea for St. Albert for both current residents and the people who will occupy the new development. Current residents will have to deal with the likeliness of children influenced by crime in our schools and adults in our community. Our cost of living will increase as we will have to pay for low-income subsidies due to higher school fees or other taxes. We won’t feel comfortable taking our kids to activities like movie night in the park or other St. Albert events for fear that there will be unruly families. We can assure each other that measures will be taken to prevent this influence, but that’s not what we want.

We don’t want a police presence at family outings. We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force. What we want is for St. Albert to remain as it is with very few low-income households, a place for families that work hard to live here. You can say we will screen to make sure those families won’t make the cut, but there is no level of pre-screening that will prevent some form of crime from infiltrating the proposed development. It will happen, guaranteed.

This will start a landslide of things that will turn southeast St. Albert into a low-income area instead of middle class. Low-income families will have difficulty up-keeping the proposed development, and in turn it will bring down the value of the surrounding houses. This sounds unjustified; look at some of the Habitat for Humanity developments in Edmonton where this has already occurred.

This development will be hard for the families moving in. Being low income will make it difficult for children to be accepted in local schools. Like it or not, the children of St. Albert are high-standard children and have no place for low-income classmates.

(pause for a lol)

When we first moved to St. Albert our teen had a hard time fitting in because of money and it was hard on him. Now he is good, but it did not go away with just a loving hug — his status was accomplished once his friends saw our house and other possessions. It sounds cruel but that is how it is; ask your children, they will tell you.

Sports activities in St. Albert are another problem area. Sure the base costs are the same as other areas, but the teams here expect more financially from families. In Edmonton there are recreational activities at the YMCA; there are no subsidies for families in St. Albert, nor do we want to pay for it. Our family membership to Servus Place is $1,300 a year plus costs for Fountain Park and other activities, but we can afford it. Putting low-income families in this situation is not reasonable or fair — it would be like giving a new car to someone that can’t afford the gas. They would be better off with a bus pass. I am all for low-income housing in Edmonton. I believe more independent living housing is required in St. Albert and would be better suited than this proposal.

Chris and Karleena Perry, St. Albert

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Holy guacamole, those are some messed-up parents (and I pity their children)

 

[DChero]

I feel like a bad person for agreeing with this in principle. Here's why:

- Property value will begin to drop. They're losing money on something that they cannot control.

- Good schools really are hard to find today. My wife and I are starting to look into this now and it's pretty hard, specifically because we live in the South.

- Very rarely are people born into money. It's usually earned by hard work. If they can afford to live in an area like that, so what? It's something that they worked for.

I'm not too crazy about the wording that he used. I think most of us understand the underlying theme here.

 

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This part of the letter is a real head-scratcher for me:

We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force

I would argue that kids from higher income homes are the ones bringing the drugs to school in the first place. As for people speeding, again, is there any data that low income people speed more than high income people?

 

[DChero]

This part of the letter is a real head-scratcher for me:

We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force

I would argue that kids from higher income homes are the ones bringing the drugs to school in the first place. As for people speeding, again, is there any data that low income people speed more than high income people?

I agree, but I think we get the point that he's trying to make. It may not be politically correct, but I think that we can agree that the crime rate is higher in the ghetto than in the suburbs.

 

[blindbaby]

This part of the letter is a real head-scratcher for me:

We don’t want to worry about drugs at elementary schools or gang fights at the high schools. We don’t want to worry about people speeding, possibly hitting our kids, or having to increase our police force

I would argue that kids from higher income homes are the ones bringing the drugs to school in the first place. As for people speeding, again, is there any data that low income people speed more than high income people?

Not scientific evidence, but -- they likely can't afford cars that are built for speed, and, they likely can't afford speeding tickets; therefore, are likely to drive slower.

 

[dash]

I agree, but I think we get the point that he's trying to make. It may not be politically correct, but I think that we canagree that the crime rate is higher in the ghetto than in the suburbs.

Yes, on that point I certainly agree. It almost seems to me that the parents want to give their kids the private school experience without having to shell out the money for private school. I can't fault the parents for wanting to raise their kids in a safe and happy neighborhood, but the kids also have to learn to deal with situations when they are out of their comfort zone.

 

[DChero]

Yes, on that point I certainly agree. It almost seems to me that the parents want to give their kids the private school experience without having to shell out the money for private school. I can't fault the parents for wanting to raise their kids in a safe and happy neighborhood, but the kids also have to learn to deal with situations when they are out of their comfort zone.

What does it matter? College is going to ruin them anyway.

 

[dash]

What does it matter? College is going to ruin them anyway.

Point...Set...Match and

rep

 

[DChero]

Point...Set...Match and

rep

So, eh... we done here?

 

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So, eh... we done here?

That response tied it up in a neat package as far as I'm concerned...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I agree, but I think we get the point that he's trying to make. It may not be politically correct, but I think that we can agree that the crime rate is higher in the ghetto than in the suburbs.

yes but what does the "ghetto" have to do with Habitat for Humanity.

I volunteered for a couple of years at a HFH renew centre and quite a few of the other volunteers were people who lived in habitat for Humanity housing projects. They were good people who only needed a helping hand. Maybe its different in other areas ... i dont know ... but Im guessing my experiences in Burnaby are closer to those in edmonton

Most of these residents would have to meet pretty strict prescreening qualifications and the whole aspect of that couple in the letter to the editor talking about letting this development "run down" is so incredibly stupidly ignorant seeing as these residents agree beforehand that they will not only maintain their housing to strict standards but also volunteer a set number of hundreds of hours helping to build other habitat for humanity projects

their letter just screams nimby ignorance

its kinda like the asian people in affluent UBC area of Vancouver railing against St johns ambulance building a hospice because the ghosts and spirits of the dead and dieing would bring down their property values

 

[DChero]

yes but what does the "ghetto" have to do with Habitat for Humanity.

I volunteered for a couple of years at a HFH renew centre and quite a few of the other volunteers were people who lived in habitat for Humanity housing projects. They were good people who only needed a helping hand. Maybe its different in other areas ... i dont know ... but Im guessing my experiences in Burnaby are closer to those in edmonton

Most of these residents would have to meet pretty strict prescreening qualifications and the whole aspect of that couple in the letter to the editor talking about letting this development "run down" is so incredibly stupidly ignorant seeing as these residents agree beforehand that they will not only maintain their housing to strict standards but also volunteer a set number of hundreds of hours helping to build other habitat for humanity projects

their letter just screams nimby ignorance

its kinda like the asian people in affluent UBC area of Vancouver railing against St johns ambulance building a hospice because the ghosts and spirits of the dead and dieing would bring down their property values

Let's not lump ghosts in with spirits of the dead. They are in totally different tax brackets.

I used the ghetto vs suburbs just to demonstrate the difference between most upper-class areas vs lower-class ones. Like I said, I feel like a jerk saying this, but more money generally means more problems for those that didn't work hard for it. The ones that have are generally responsible.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Let's not lump ghosts in with spirits of the dead. They are in totally different tax brackets.

I used the ghetto vs suburbs just to demonstrate the difference between most upper-class areas vs lower-class ones. Like I said, I feel like a jerk saying this, but more money generally means more problems for those that didn't work hard for it. The ones that have are generally responsible.

and from my experience, id say people who ive come across involved in hfh are hardworking people