Andy Dalton (dr Jeckyl and mr hide)

[DanBengalfan]

maybe we should dedicate one thread to this guy like we did Palmer?

anyhow, I'm amused by this:

Andy Dalton Deserves Better Than Cincinnati

If I'm paying 100+ dollars a seat for a celebrity softball game, I'm assuming that I'm too drunk to actually know what I'm booing about.

 

[alf8478]

It's funny how all the media types who are defending him on this are the same ones who kill him after every playoff loss.

 

[Cincyfan78]

It's funny how all the media types who are defending him on this are the same ones who kill him after every playoff loss.

I think what those same scribes are talking about is "time and place". There is a time and a place to boo Andy Dalton. That probably wasn't the most appropriate time or place. It was a celebrity softball game for purposes unrelated to football. If you're going to boo him (and he certainly does deserve such treatment) do it where he earns that reputation: on the football field.

Not saying I agree with said scribes, but just stating what I think they are trying to relay about him being boo'd.

 

[cincygrad]

Ugh..... I really hate these arguments. Don't boo a guy because he's nice to kids. Don't boo a guy because he doesn't suck as much as Akili Smith.

Andy Dalton is a multi-million dollar quarterback in the NFL. Booing comes with the job and it would happen anywhere. If you are a prominent figure (which he is), you have to have some tolerance for such things -- Which I'm sure he does. Can we please stop being so melodramatic about it? He's a big boy -- Why waste your time writing articles about what he does and does not deserve.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Ugh..... I really hate these arguments. Don't boo a guy because he's nice to kids. Don't boo a guy because he doesn't suck as much as Akili Smith.

Andy Dalton is a multi-million dollar quarterback in the NFL. Booing comes with the job and it would happen anywhere. If you are a prominent figure (which he is), you have to have some tolerance for such things -- Which I'm sure he does. Can we please stop being so melodramatic about it? He's a big boy -- Why waste your time writing articles about what he does and does not deserve.

I agree 100% but I also agree with Cincy, there is a time and place, and that was literally not the time or place. Kinda like if Dalton was out with his foundation at King's Island spending time with sick children and trying to give back to the community. Does that seem like an appropriate time to boo the guy? Of course not. A celebrity softball game is different than a day out with sick children as part of a charitable foundation, but they are more closely related than a Bengals game and a celebrity softball game is.

I am 100% on board with the we need to move on from the Andy Dalton train, but people can show a little more f'n class, at least as a way to represent themselves as individuals but also the city of Cincinnati in general.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Ugh..... I really hate these arguments. Don't boo a guy because he's nice to kids. Don't boo a guy because he doesn't suck as much as Akili Smith.

Andy Dalton is a multi-million dollar quarterback in the NFL. Booing comes with the job and it would happen anywhere. If you are a prominent figure (which he is), you have to have some tolerance for such things -- Which I'm sure he does. Can we please stop being so melodramatic about it? He's a big boy -- Why waste your time writing articles about what he does and does not deserve.

I guess the question then becomes when do you differentiate between players ON the field, and when they are OFF the field. Is it OK to boo a player on the streets in the off-season? I'm not saying it doesn't happen (or to be unexpected, it does come with the territory), but IS there a point where fans have to realize that there is a difference between NFL Andy and just regular Andy, or MLB Jay Bruce and regular Jay Bruce? I dunno. It's a tough question because money (and the sheer amount of it) muddles everything.

 

[cincygrad]

Apples and oranges..... A guy at Kings Island on a charity mission is MUCH different from a guy that puts himself in the national spotlight in a celebrity softball gig..... I get that he is helping make money for a good cause, but plenty of guys that play in these things are also marketing their own brand on a national stage. Also, they are aligning themselves with a competition which naturally calls into question their performance in their own competitions. I can guarantee (without actual knowledge) that Dalton would never be booed in Cincy when hosting one of his charity gigs at a restaurant. And I'm fairly certain if the dude was walking around the Banks he would get nothing but praise. This was a spotlight and a place where people could anonymously express their anger about his postseason performance..... And it really wasn't a big deal.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Apples and oranges..... A guy at Kings Island on a charity mission is MUCH different from a guy that puts himself in the national spotlight in a celebrity softball gig..... I get that he is helping make money for a good cause, but plenty of guys that play in these things are also marketing their own brand on a national stage. Also, they are aligning themselves with a competition which naturally calls into question their performance in their own competitions. I can guarantee (without actual knowledge) that Dalton would never be booed in Cincy when hosting one of his charity gigs at a restaurant. And I'm fairly certain if the dude was walking around the Banks he would get nothing but praise. This was a spotlight and a place where people could anonymously express their anger about his postseason performance..... And it really wasn't a big deal.

That is the problem and still the wrong venue. This whole event was for Cancer Fundraising, and he was playing with other athletes, musicians, actors, etc. Should Nick Lachey of been booed because he is from Cincinnati, puts out crappy music, and basically hasn't done shit in forever except be known as a Cincinnati sports fan? Did anyone else get booed? Of course not.

Fans in Cincinnati showed zero class and to be honest, I am a little embarrassed by them. Time and place and a celebrity softball game as a charity for Cancer is not the place to be booing anyone. So you can show your disinterest by having a hometown athlete not get any cheers when he gets up to hit or be announced by not saying a single word. Just let it go silent, I think that shows volumes too, and it doesn't put a bad mark on the city as a bunch of assholes.

I am still on the wagon that Andy needs to go, but for shit sakes show some f'n class for Pete's sake. It embarrassed the city of Cincinnati.

 

[cincygrad]

That is the problem and still the wrong venue. This whole event was for Cancer Fundraising, and he was playing with other athletes, musicians, actors, etc. Should Nick Lachey of been booed because he is from Cincinnati, puts out crappy music, and basically hasn't done shit in forever except be known as a Cincinnati sports fan? Did anyone else get booed? Of course not.

Fans in Cincinnati showed zero class and to be honest, I am a little embarrassed by them. Time and place and a celebrity softball game as a charity for Cancer is not the place to be booing anyone. So you can show your disinterest by having a hometown athlete not get any cheers when he gets up to hit or be announced by not saying a single word. Just let it go silent, I think that shows volumes too, and it doesn't put a bad mark on the city as a bunch of assholes.

I am still on the wagon that Andy needs to go, but for shit sakes show some f'n class for Pete's sake. It embarrassed the city of Cincinnati.

Bengal fans cheered one year when Kenny Anderson got hurt.... Not many, but enough to get heard. Steelers fans threw trash on Tommy Maddox's lawn. This type of crap happens all the time. And spare me about the 'charity' aspect of the softball game. While they may have donated like 10% of the proceeds to a charity, it was an amateur sporting event, created to draw television ratings. And it was full of people that put themselves in the spotlight.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I think what those same scribes are talking about is "time and place". There is a time and a place to boo Andy Dalton. That probably wasn't the most appropriate time or place. It was a celebrity softball game for purposes unrelated to football. If you're going to boo him (and he certainly does deserve such treatment) do it where he earns that reputation: on the football field.

Not saying I agree with said scribes, but just stating what I think they are trying to relay about him being boo'd.

so when he's at Jungle Jim's with his wife and he's picking an under-ripe avocado I should refrain from heckling him. gotcha

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Bengal fans cheered one year when Kenny Anderson got hurt.... Not many, but enough to get heard. Steelers fans threw trash on Tommy Maddox's lawn. This type of crap happens all the time. And spare me about the 'charity' aspect of the softball game. While they may have donated like 10% of the proceeds to a charity, it was an amateur sporting event, created to draw television ratings. And it was full of people that put themselves in the spotlight.

I will not spare you. It is ridiculous. It is not like these were prospective amateur baseball players, these were recording artists, actors, other athletes, some of which got paid millions to play baseball at one point. It was not the time or place to do it period. You can argue all you want, but you are flat out wrong on this one my friend. If he was coming out of the tunnel during a Bengals home game, boo the living shit out of the guy. Make him want to wet his pants and go running home to momma. Time and place. That is all.

 

[alf8478]

In my opinion, if you're a sports "celebrity" and you were in the context of Sports, then booing s fair game.

To me it would be the same thing as if he was at a Reds game, and they showed him on the big screen, and they booed him

 

[Cincyfan78]

Bengal fans cheered one year when Kenny Anderson got hurt.... Not many, but enough to get heard. Steelers fans threw trash on Tommy Maddox's lawn. This type of crap happens all the time. And spare me about the 'charity' aspect of the softball game. While they may have donated like 10% of the proceeds to a charity, it was an amateur sporting event, created to draw television ratings. And it was full of people that put themselves in the spotlight.

Just because something happens all the time does not make it acceptable.

People rooting for when a guy gets hurt need to re-evaluate things in their life. It's a game. I get wanting to root against rivals and wanting guys who don't play well to not be on the field, but cheering when a player goes down to injury is flat out wrong. Trashing a guys lawn (Maddox or Palmer) is wrong. Those type of things are done by people who have zero perspective on life, or the fact that this is simply a game.

As for booing. When they walk onto a field for the NFL, fine. When they are at a charity event, or elsewhere, try and be a bit more mature in understanding that while we may wish he'd play better (or be replaced all together) it's still a game and needs to be separated from real life.

 

[DanBengalfan]

would be our luck, as soon as Andy Dalton gets hurt, AJ Mac reinjures himself, we go 0-16, draft the next great prospect who makes Akili Smith look like an acceptable pro.

 

[cincygrad]

I will not spare you. It is ridiculous. It is not like these were prospective amateur baseball players, these were recording artists, actors, other athletes, some of which got paid millions to play baseball at one point. It was not the time or place to do it period. You can argue all you want, but you are flat out wrong on this one my friend. If he was coming out of the tunnel during a Bengals home game, boo the living shit out of the guy. Make him want to wet his pants and go running home to momma. Time and place. That is all.

Pro athletes get booed all the time.... I'm sure Tom Brady would be booed in 31 different cities if he were playing in a softball game. It happens. Not that big a deal. I'd have a much bigger problem i

Just because something happens all the time does not make it acceptable.

People rooting for when a guy gets hurt need to re-evaluate things in their life. It's a game. I get wanting to root against rivals and wanting guys who don't play well to not be on the field, but cheering when a player goes down to injury is flat out wrong. Trashing a guys lawn (Maddox or Palmer) is wrong. Those type of things are done by people who have zero perspective on life, or the fact that this is simply a game.

As for booing. When they walk onto a field for the NFL, fine. When they are at a charity event, or elsewhere, try and be a bit more mature in understanding that while we may wish he'd play better (or be replaced all together) it's still a game and needs to be separated from real life.

My point was that it only takes a few bad apples..... The idea that the whole stadium was booing is just silly.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Pro athletes get booed all the time.... I'm sure Tom Brady would be booed in 31 different cities if he were playing in a softball game. It happens. Not that big a deal. I'd have a much bigger problem i


My point was that it only takes a few bad apples..... The idea that the whole stadium was booing is just silly.

Fair enough.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Pro athletes get booed all the time.... I'm sure Tom Brady would be booed in 31 different cities if he were playing in a softball game. It happens. Not that big a deal. I'd have a much bigger problem i


My point was that it only takes a few bad apples..... The idea that the whole stadium was booing is just silly.

I never said it was the whole stadium, and I never said it was all of Cincinnati. It only takes a "few bad apples" as you say to automatically generate a label for the whole. You have a terribly rotten apple in a bag of apples, you may not even check to see if the others are okay, you just assume if this apple is this bad in the bunch that the others can't be that good either, so to the trash they go. You understand? Those few bad apples put a label on Cincinnati sports fan, and personally, I find it embarrassing.