Andre Roberts

[gkekoa]

Alshon Jeffrey and Keenan Allen will be FAs next season as well.

 

[skinsdad62]

Really going out on a limb there

well you know some people think DJ stays no matter what and if he misses say 6-8 games and garcon plays 16 and catches 80 balls perhaps that sways the issue

and we will draft another wr because both could be gone

 

[Templar]

I like Garçon he's a favorite of mine and I think he plays way bigger then his size. He was great in red zone last year so it's very premature to assume doctson takes those snaps from him

 

[Sharkinva]

I like Garçon he's a favorite of mine and I think he plays way bigger then his size. He was great in red zone last year so it's very premature to assume doctson takes those snaps from him

Slightly disagree. If last year showed us anything, its that we have a semi secret mandate to play SMGM players over guys who have produced for us in the past who came in under the Mike Shanahan regime. Case in point, Matt Jones did NOTHING to deserve taking half of Alfs snaps other than being drafted by SMGM. I honestly think Doctson will be given every oppertunity to claim not only Garcon's spot, but ultimately the #1 WR spot and we go into next off season with the mandate of finding a less expensive version of D-Jax and a complimentary #3 as well. I think both will be gone after this season unless one or both put in all pro seasons in which case we might not be able to afford them any way.

 

[Templar]

We did resign a bunch of guys this year who were brought in pre SM

I'm not a fan of Matt Jones never was coming out of school I was all in on Yeldon but didn't expect him to go that early

 

[Stymietee]

Slightly disagree. If last year showed us anything, its that we have a semi secret mandate to play SMGM players over guys who have produced for us in the past who came in under the Mike Shanahan regime. Case in point, Matt Jones did NOTHING to deserve taking half of Alfs snaps other than being drafted by SMGM. I honestly think Doctson will be given every oppertunity to claim not only Garcon's spot, but ultimately the #1 WR spot and we go into next off season with the mandate of finding a less expensive version of D-Jax and a complimentary #3 as well. I think both will be gone after this season unless one or both put in all pro seasons in which case we might not be able to afford them any way.

Not real sure that they both go next year, though you could be right and it wouldn't surprise me. I just do not like the general NFL way of doing business by not trying to get something in return for guys who are (in this case very expensive) one year rentals or surely to be lost in FA. NO one can honestly say that either of these guys don't still have value, the problem as I see it is that teams hold on for too long, fearing that, they won't be as productive without them. (contract impediment notwithstanding). In the end they pay too much to keep 'em and almost lock themselves into a position where they can't move them.......ALMOST.....To me, while it may or may not be an on field decent football move, it stinks from a football business perspective.

 

[gkekoa]

I think Doctson may take DJ red zone snaps...if he was even out there in those situations.

As for next season, I think we will definitely resign DJ...unless we get Alshon Jeffrey or Keenan Allen.

 

[Sportster 72]

I like Garçon he's a favorite of mine and I think he plays way bigger then his size. He was great in red zone last year so it's very premature to assume doctson takes those snaps from him

Garcon is a much more complete football player than DJax. I like DJax, he is a great threat to go deep at all times. He doesn't block well and he isn't a guy you expect to make a lot of tough catches over the middle, still he helps the offense. I am thinking the wide receivers in the red zone will be Garcon and Doctson.

 

[Templar]

I think Doctson may take DJ red zone snaps...if he was even out there in those situations.

As for next season, I think we will definitely resign DJ...unless we get Alshon Jeffrey or Keenan Allen.

I don't think Keenan Allen and Garçon would make much sense. Neither are deep threat field stretchers and they both do similar things

Jeffrey maybe... But he's injury prone too would rather keep DJax and look to draft then to go free agency

 

[gkekoa]

Garcon is a much more complete football player than DJax. I like DJax, he is a great threat to go deep at all times. He doesn't block well and he isn't a guy you expect to make a lot of tough catches over the middle, still he helps the offense. I am thinking the wide receivers in the red zone will be Garcon and Doctson.

No arguments at all regarding DJ being an incomplete player but he is special when it comes to demanding attention. Garçon doesn't threaten anybody. I love his toughness but he makes nobody better...DJ does. That is why I think DJ gets resigned.

I am with you on Garçon and Doctson in the red zone.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Slightly disagree. If last year showed us anything, its that we have a semi secret mandate to play SMGM players over guys who have produced for us in the past who came in under the Mike Shanahan regime. Case in point, Matt Jones did NOTHING to deserve taking half of Alfs snaps other than being drafted by SMGM. I honestly think Doctson will be given every oppertunity to claim not only Garcon's spot, but ultimately the #1 WR spot and we go into next off season with the mandate of finding a less expensive version of D-Jax and a complimentary #3 as well. I think both will be gone after this season unless one or both put in all pro seasons in which case we might not be able to afford them any way.

Respectively disagree about the RB situation from last season. Both players showed promise at times but each also had major issues. Both came out of the gate strong but faltered over time. This was result of their own efforts as well as perhaps the line & the fact that the Redskins had to rely more on the pass (& in passing situations Morris contributes practically nothing).

The suggestion here is that Gruden is trying to suck up to the GM. There may be slight truth to that, but overall I am not buying it. I believe that he wants to win & like most coaches will put in the best players that he believes can help that cause regardless of how they were acquired. No conspiracy theory here IMO.

 

[gkekoa]

Respectively disagree about the RB situation from last season. Both players showed promise at times but each also had major issues. Both came out of the gate strong but faltered over time. This was result of their own efforts as well as perhaps the line & the fact that the Redskins had to rely more on the pass (& in passing situations Morris contributes practically nothing).

The suggestion here is that Gruden is trying to suck up to the GM. There may be slight truth to that, but overall I am not buying it. I believe that he wants to win & like most coaches will put in the best players that he believes can help that cause regardless of how they were acquired. No conspiracy theory here IMO.

Yeah...after three or four games we were the number one run team in the NFL. I believe the fall of the run game coincided with Lauvao and Lich going down within a week of each other. What it ended up showing us is KC can lead a very one dimensional team with his arm.

 

[Ruzious]

I think folks vastly overrate Garcon. The fact that he's never caught more than 6 TD's in a season is an indicator that he's not a guy you want to go to in the red zone. Even in his 113 catch season - only 5 TD's. And now that he's lost a step, he averaged only 10.8 yards a catch last season. The biggest problem I had with him last season was that he was partially responsible for a lot of Cousins' interceptions.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think folks vastly overrate Garcon. The fact that he's never caught more than 6 TD's in a season is an indicator that he's not a guy you want to go to in the red zone. Even in his 113 catch season - only 5 TD's. And now that he's lost a step, he averaged only 10.8 yards a catch last season. The biggest problem I had with him last season was that he was partially responsible for a lot of Cousins' interceptions.

look garcon wasnt worth the contract but that happens in free agency . now i am not sure i can come to the conclusion that he was responsible for "a lot " of his picks i would have to see some film on that

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think folks vastly overrate Garcon. The fact that he's never caught more than 6 TD's in a season is an indicator that he's not a guy you want to go to in the red zone. Even in his 113 catch season - only 5 TD's. And now that he's lost a step, he averaged only 10.8 yards a catch last season. The biggest problem I had with him last season was that he was partially responsible for a lot of Cousins' interceptions.

You do realize that Jackson has never had double digit receiving TDs - correct? You also realize that Jackson had 6 or less receiving TDs in all but 2 of those seasons - right? Also - many of the top receivers don't have that many TDs due to many factors. For Garcon this includes the fact that Reed is the primary target & as a result others are not going to get as many chances. During the RG3 era - it was a run first offense - especially in the red zone - which lessened his chances.

You also fail to mention other factors like blocking where Garcon excels. I agree with Skinsdad about the overpayment & am not suggesting that the rt move will be to retain Garcon over Jackson. However - I don't believe that you are giving him enough credit. As for the INTs? Huh? Cousins only threw 3 of these in his last 10 games. I believe this sort of demonstrates that it was a matter of Cousins getting used to the system and coaches. I am pretty sure that Cousins would take the blame (rightfully so) for most of his picks prior to that time.

 

[skinsdad62]

Film Breakdown: Kirk Cousins' 11 Interceptions in 2015

according to this KC had 8 of his 11 ints as his fault and 2 more as partial . i dont see how garcon gets nailed for "a lot " in that scenario

 

[Sportster 72]

No arguments at all regarding DJ being an incomplete player but he is special when it comes to demanding attention. Garçon doesn't threaten anybody. I love his toughness but he makes nobody better...DJ does. That is why I think DJ gets resigned.

I am with you on Garçon and Doctson in the red zone.

No argument. They both serve a role. I like both. JReed also makes more room for other receivers. It is a good problem to have. There is an entire year of football to be played so guessing who will be here in 2017 is like throwing darts at a dart board.

 

[Templar]

look garcon wasnt worth the contract but that happens in free agency . now i am not sure i can come to the conclusion that he was responsible for "a lot " of his picks i would have to see some film on that

I couldn't disagree more. Garçon is a rare instance of when a free agent IS worth the contract

 

[skinsdad62]

I couldn't disagree more. Garçon is a rare instance of when a free agent IS worth the contract

i dont hate on garcon . i have no issue with us getting him here however some people do and hence my statement reflected that . .

 

[Templar]

Garçon was a good signing. He was a good number 1 for a season and a very good number 2 for the seasons following

In this instance I think he was worth his contract