Allen interview owners meeting

[SoCalWizFan]

i stand corrected

Well it is good that some of you guys saw this coming. However what really matters is that Snyder, Allen & the FO look back on that trade & think "We really screwed that one up. We really have to think hard about ever making a trade like again & probably should go another route".

I know that it is laughable to believe that they will ever think in this manner - one can dream..

 

[Sportster 72]

Laughable and dream were the two key words. Like you I wish it could be different but don't see it happening.

 

[Stymietee]

The big issue with our front office has been fit. Drafting/acquiring players based on their resume' instead of how well a particular player fits into the overall scheme remains problematic. Doug Williams recently said that he knows nothing about Gruden and company's scheme, how they decide to get players based on that lack of necessary information is puzzling. The Griffin trade wasn't the issue...the plan on how he would come in and be successful was, at best, near impossible to begin with.

 

[skinsdad62]

Well it is good that some of you guys saw this coming. However what really matters is that Snyder, Allen & the FO look back on that trade & think "We really screwed that one up. We really have to think hard about ever making a trade like again & probably should go another route".

I know that it is laughable to believe that they will ever think in this manner - one can dream..

it will work out dude

 

[Sportster 72]

The Griffin trade was the/a problem. So much so that the Shanahan's drafted Cousin's as insurance. Anyone that thought Griffin was going to succeed in the NFL was kidding themselves. The guy was a project from the beginning but a typical Snyder flashy move.

 

[Stymietee]

The Griffin trade was the/a problem. So much so that the Shanahan's drafted Cousin's as insurance. Anyone that thought Griffin was going to succeed in the NFL was kidding themselves. The guy was a project from the beginning but a typical Snyder flashy move.

I agree that it became a problem but only because of who drafted him, how he was handled afterwards and the self serving, myopic interest in selling product instead of winning.

1. Was he prepared to play in the Shanahan's system...NO
2. Did they do anything to control his overblown ego...NO
3. Did they envision installing a Baylor style offense....NO
4. Was he prepared to play in the NFL...NO
5. Did he learn how to protect himself...NO
6 Was team over brand insisted upon...NO
7 Was patience and preparation employed...NO
8. Did they effectively communicate and agree on a long term plan with him...NO
9. Did they handle their backup player any better...NO
10. The problem is 100% on the player, right...NO
11. Did he earn his starting role..NO
12. Have they learned anything from all of that...NO (well, not likely)
13. Did Baltimore do what D.C. et.al did...NO

 

[skinsdad62]

simple mathematics shows that trading up for qbs is a bad move . only 16% ever stay in the league let alone become what you drafted them to be (franchise qbs )

30% of 1st round qbs overall even remain in the NFL for 5 years

none of our trade ups ramsey , JC and RG3 have worked

we should stay put and either pick a good prospect at qb at 15 or draft another position and get a qb later

 

[Stymietee]

We need real talent and enough of it to overcome the dysfunction here. Selecting a guy who himself needs more structural support in order to develop isn't the answer either because that just doesn't exist in Ashburn. I understand the trepidation that comes with risking capital on a high quality guy, but there's the other side of such argument too and that tells us that developing that guy over time merely shortens his career here.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree that it became a problem but only because of who drafted him, how he was handled afterwards and the self serving, myopic interest in selling product instead of winning.

1. Was he prepared to play in the Shanahan's system...NO
2. Did they do anything to control his overblown ego...NO
3. Did they envision installing a Baylor style offense....NO
4. Was he prepared to play in the NFL...NO
5. Did he learn how to protect himself...NO
6 Was team over brand insisted upon...NO
7 Was patience and preparation employed...NO
8. Did they effectively communicate and agree on a long term plan with him...NO
9. Did they handle their backup player any better...NO
10. The problem is 100% on the player, right...NO
11. Did he earn his starting role..NO
12. Have they learned anything from all of that...NO (well, not likely)
13. Did Baltimore do what D.C. et.al did...NO

I agree with part of this & that yes the Redskins share some of the blame. However I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that RG3 is blameless in all of this. He certainly bares almost all of the blame for # 5 & most of # 6. Just like anyone working for any company - he needed to do what was necessary to be the best player regardless of the Redskins (a top QB could make it somewhere else).

RG3 appeared to be preoccupied with being in shape & developing his brand instead of developing as a QB. He has yet to show signs of being able to read defenses, read the entire field or work out of the pocket & he is now on his 3rd team. Almost all highly picked QBs go to flawed teams that often have coaching & organizational issues. It is up to the player to be as good as possible in spite of the system. The team can be blamed somewhat, but if RG3 wants to state it this way it sounds more like an excuse than anything. Sorry - but I don't think he would ever be a long term, top notch QB with any NFL team.

 

[Stymietee]

I agree with part of this & that yes the Redskins share some of the blame. However I certainly hope that you are not suggesting that RG3 is blameless in all of this. He certainly bares almost all of the blame for # 5 & most of # 6. Just like anyone working for any company - he needed to do what was necessary to be the best player regardless of the Redskins (a top QB could make it somewhere else).

RG3 appeared to be preoccupied with being in shape & developing his brand instead of developing as a QB. He has yet to show signs of being able to read defenses, read the entire field or work out of the pocket & he is now on his 3rd team. Almost all highly picked QBs go to flawed teams that often have coaching & organizational issues. It is up to the player to be as good as possible in spite of the system. The team can be blamed somewhat, but if RG3 wants to state it this way it sounds more like an excuse than anything. Sorry - but I don't think he would ever be a long term, top notch QB with any NFL team.

He actually had no chance to develop into anything here because of the dysfunction. I can't really blame the guy for having an overblown ego or poor study habits, because it was allowed. This never happens in N.E., or any of the other places where there's a professional organization doing its' work, especially considering the investment spent to get him.

Baltimore seems impressed enough with him at this juncture of his career to re-sign him to another contract after not wanting to trade him to Jacksonville a year ago. I wonder if whatever development he 's gained has anything to do with the fact that he's been through benching and the always humbling experience of not playing at all. We will never know now what not starting him would have done to that overblown ego and distain to study well. BTW: he owns those shortcomings so all of the blame doesn't fall on the organization. To me, organizational dysfunction and poor fit account for 70-75% of the failure here, he shoulders the other 25-30%. Like I said, he might have ended up exactly where he is...a back-up, but because of the BS here, when he was here, we'll never know!

 

[Sportster 72]

He was not then and is still not worth what the team gave up for him. You do not give up 2 1/2 first round and a 2nd round pick, then pay the guy $20 million to sit on the bench for three years to learn.

 

[skinsdad62]

He was not then and is still not worth what the team gave up for him. You do not give up 2 1/2 first round and a 2nd round pick, then pay the guy $20 million to sit on the bench for three years to learn.

i have to agree with this . sty , back in the old days , would be right but todays economics preclude that

 

[Stymietee]

He was not then and is still not worth what the team gave up for him. You do not give up 2 1/2 first round and a 2nd round pick, then pay the guy $20 million to sit on the bench for three years to learn.

Nobody ever said that he would have to sit for 3 years. I have used Rogers as an example,..example being the operative word here. It was and is,a waste to spend that muchand completely ruin whatever potential a player has by throwing him to the wolves without any meaningful preparation.

So what did they actually do? Took a poor fit, who couldn't read defenses, was reckless, and egotistical because that is all he knew and started him right away expecting a miracle. Well it didn't happen and had zero chance to work. Again he might have failed anyway but his chances would have improved from zero had they not treated him as a cash cow instead of the costly asset that he was.

C'mon @Sportster, you're a coach and you know darn well that any young man with raw tools and potential to be great, coming to your camp wouldn't start right away. You would better prepare him, even at the cost of playing lesser players until he met certain standards. BTW : I've gotten to know a bit about you here and had that same player, also with a near out of control ego come to you...talent or not, you would have made every effort to humble his ass through work and an ass full of splinters!!!

 

[Sportster 72]

To be clear I did not see a potential to be great, I saw a sand lot player. Would another year have helped him, maybe but you either have those QBing skills or you do not. They can be learned to some extent but not fully. He is where he would be based on what I saw in college. Backing up. That is after 7 years of learning.

I know your theory and have never disagreed but in today's NFL if you get paid, you play. Is it the best system, no. But it is the system.

 

[Skins2021]

No way. Sure the Smith trade will likely set them back cap wise, but the RG3 draft basically ruined 3 separate drafts for this team & helped in a major way to contribute to their current woes (just imagine the impact of 3 #1s on this team now or even 2 of those players contributing). Granted the Skins very well may have screwed up those picks, but that could have resulted in guys like Kuechly, Fletcher Cox, Deandre Hopkins, Ertz, Khalil Mack, Mike Evans, Beckham and/or Aaron Donald. Can you imagine having 2 or 3 of those guys on the Skins (well maybe not Beckham - lol)?

I would put the whole tagging & eventual dumping of Cousins as the 2nd worst move & then the Smith trade. Agree to disagree, but it doesn't matter. Those moves are in the past & all that matters is their approach moving fwd (that yes they very likely can & will screw up).

I think its worse because it was destined to fail before a snap was even taken.

RG3 there was at least a chance for him to be good. The move was made with superbowl aspirations. There was bit of unknown.

The alex smith trade was not made with superbowl aspirations, it was made to keep people in seats and keep team relevant. There wasnt any unknown factor, as we all knew what we were getting in Smith. There wasnt much of a chance for it to work out. Incredibly deflating for fans and former fans when ownership/management pulls off a move like this

 

[gkekoa]

And to think, you did this all by yourself, so let's use your logic here and talk about value.

Team one needs a kicker then use their first pick, say number 6 overall to select one, while team number two holding pick number 20 needs and selects a quarterback with their pick. Here's the point...at the time Washington needing a QB got one of value to them, while the Rams thought it of value to their cause to trade down for what they got. Equal value? at the time...YEAH!

Let's not re-write history here or attempt to justify the silly notion that there were 3 first round picks traded in this case.

What does the official trade look like?

Redskins received the number 2 pick overall.

Rams received first and second rounders in 2012, first rounder in 2013, and first rounder in 2014.

In order to acquire the 2nd pick in the NFL draft, we gave up 3 first rounders and a second. That is official. We gave up three first round picks to acquire another pick.