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[Sportster 72]

Here are the details of that trade:

Redskins Get: No. 2 overall pick (Robert Griffin III)
Rams Get: No. 6 overall pick (traded), No. 36 overall pick (CB Janoris Jenkins), 2013 first round pick (No. 22 overall - traded) and 2014 first round pick (No. 2 overall - OT Greg Robinson, later traded for 2018 6th rounder)

They traded 1st rd picks in 2012, 2013 & 2014. How is that not trading 3 1st rd picks? Now if your claim is that they only traded 2 additional 1st rd picks you could have a pt, but they DID trade 3 1st rd picks for RG3.

I was all for the trade at the time & don't really have that much of an issue with it. My pt. was that this trade truly set this team back for several years, and I don't believe that anyone can deny this. As I always maintain "you can't go back in time & change things". However what you can do is learn from your mistakes.

Given their history in making poor decisions IMO it is in the Redskins best interest to not trade up in the near future for a QB unless you believe that QB might be the next Andrew Luck (ain't happening in this draft) or the amt of picks required for the trade is minimal (rarely happens in today's NFL).

Oh well - I think that Allen/Snyder really don't give a shit about the opinions of experts, fans or anyone else who doesn't kiss their ass. We will see.

I agree that they traded three first round picks and a 2nd round pick to acquire a higher first round pick. This is how most people refer to the trade and if you want to say two plus a 2nd it is just a matter of semantics.

I was NEVER in favor of this trade because it did not net you Luck unless the Colts were morons. I watched Griffin play his senior year. I did not think he was an NFL caliber QB. By the end of his senior year the news media was making him sound like he was better than Luck when in truth he wasn't better than Cousin's.

Having said I was against the trade, I was all in all the way until the Cleveland game. I thought "WOW, if they can do this before they teach the guy how to play QB ....." Of course we now all know about the injury, Snyder rushing to Griffin's bedside, Griffin's decision to be a pocket passer (LMAO!!!) In the end I had it right, the guy was not an NFL star worthy of that trade. I don't suggest making the same mistake again.

I don't concern myself with who the Rams drafted because we have no idea how it would have played out if the Redskins did not make the trade. It was typical Snyder though, over pay (in draft choices) for a guy that can't play.

The amazing thing is that the Shanahan's saved the Redskins by drafting Cousin's and then the FO screwed that up. Now here we are after giving up too much for a guy that was going to be let go, then overpaying him, then he has an injury that will likely end his career and we are back on the QB carousel. Such is life being a fan of Dan Snyder's Redskins.

 

[gkekoa]

It is absolutely trading three. You are giving up those three draft picks to get the number two pick.

 

[Stymietee]

I cannot believe that this is a thing!

Semantics to make the trade seem worse than what it was and lazy reporting. For those confused look at it this way....

In a single draft two teams swap places in the first round, net first round loss to both = zero. The subsequent cost to make that swap work is two (2) future firsts and a second. The first move was a swap, the subsequent one, a trade. Net loss 2 firsts and a second. I worry about the future of this country!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I cannot believe that this is a thing!

Semantics to make the trade seem worse than what it was and lazy reporting. For those confused look at it this way....

In a single draft two teams swap places in the first round, net first round loss to both = zero. The subsequent cost to make that swap work is two (2) future firsts and a second. The first move was a swap, the subsequent one, a trade. Net loss 2 firsts and a second. I worry about the future of this country!

As I alluded to in my response - I am fine with anyone looking at the trade in this matter when the trade actually occurred. However - in hindsight & after 2012 it was basically that the Redskins used 3 #1 picks & a 2nd rd pick to acquire a QB who gave them one spectacular season & pretty much nothing else. Any way you look at that it is a really bad deal that set this team back for years.

Now I will give you the fact that some of this is bad luck & plenty of football & non-football people saw RG3 as a star of the future (admittedly myself included - at least in 2012). Perhaps it took awhile for some of us to open our eyes & see that RG3 was 1. reckless w/ his body 2. severely lacking in fundamentals such as pocket presence & reading the field. & 3. not a true leader who brought his team together (I will give him credit - I think he has grown in this area w/other teams).

You can blame this on coaching or rushing his career, but in the end it comes down to the player himself. Again - I don't believe in questioning the past - what is done is done. However the Redskins need to learn from their mistakes. In this case I really can't see any reason for them to trade the farm for just about QB who would be in the top 5 (maybe Lawrence down the road - but that price may be 4 #1 picks). Their track record sucks in this area & they need display a quality that they have seldom displayed in the past - patience. We will see.

 

[gkekoa]

I cannot believe that this is a thing!

Semantics to make the trade seem worse than what it was and lazy reporting. For those confused look at it this way....

In a single draft two teams swap places in the first round, net first round loss to both = zero. The subsequent cost to make that swap work is two (2) future firsts and a second. The first move was a swap, the subsequent one, a trade. Net loss 2 firsts and a second. I worry about the future of this country!

That only works if the value for the two first rounders is equal, which is impossible.

You trade the second pick in the 2012 draft for the 7th, 2 more firsts, and two seconds. You are giving up five picks for one pick. End of story.

 

[Skins2021]

I cannot believe that this is a thing!

Semantics to make the trade seem worse than what it was and lazy reporting. For those confused look at it this way....

In a single draft two teams swap places in the first round, net first round loss to both = zero. The subsequent cost to make that swap work is two (2) future firsts and a second. The first move was a swap, the subsequent one, a trade. Net loss 2 firsts and a second. I worry about the future of this country!

exactly... i always irked me when people said 3 first round picks.... no actually they traded away 2 first round picks and a 2nd..


now if it worked out or say the Pats made a similar trade the language in the reporting and storytelling would change.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

exactly... i always irked me when people said 3 first round picks.... no actually they traded away 2 first round picks and a 2nd..


now if it worked out or say the Pats made a similar trade the language in the reporting and storytelling would change.

Bottom line is that the cost of RG3 was 3 #1 picks & a 2nd. You can't deny that. You can argue about the cost of the trade, but in the end 3 #1 picks & a 2nd were used to get RG3. Yes perhaps it was interpreted poorly at the time by the media, but in hindsight it was a move that netted the Skins one outstanding season & pretty much nothing else. That is a horrible trade any way you slice it. Understandable at the time but still really bad long term.

 

[Sportster 72]

I thought the trade which theoretically could have netted them Luck. I didn't expect that but … anyhow, I thought that was too much to pay for Luck also. He has been good when he wasn't hurt but looking back on his career after 7 years I think it still would have been a high price to pay.

 

[skinsdad62]

2 people on this board said the trade was bad right away , shark and myself i rooted for him to succeed , defended him unendingly . it was a bad trade and i called the ASS trade one as well

if we trade a 1st for rosen i would be ok with it anything more then its a bad trade in my opinion

we can split hairs on the RG3 trade and how many firsts "were really " used but in the end 3 first round picks and a 2nd were spent

 

[Sportster 72]

It wasn't just two. I remember that shark and I were dead set against the trade when they were talking about it being a possibility. I think I had a different name under the old ESPN forum. Hell, I can't even remember what it was. LOL

 

[Stymietee]

That only works if the value for the two first rounders is equal, which is impossible.

You trade the second pick in the 2012 draft for the 7th, 2 more firsts, and two seconds. You are giving up five picks for one pick. End of story.

And to think, you did this all by yourself, so let's use your logic here and talk about value.

Team one needs a kicker then use their first pick, say number 6 overall to select one, while team number two holding pick number 20 needs and selects a quarterback with their pick. Here's the point...at the time Washington needing a QB got one of value to them, while the Rams thought it of value to their cause to trade down for what they got. Equal value? at the time...YEAH!

Let's not re-write history here or attempt to justify the silly notion that there were 3 first round picks traded in this case.

 

[Stymietee]

Bottom line is that the cost of RG3 was 3 #1 picks & a 2nd. You can't deny that. You can argue about the cost of the trade, but in the end 3 #1 picks & a 2nd were used to get RG3. Yes perhaps it was interpreted poorly at the time by the media, but in hindsight it was a move that netted the Skins one outstanding season & pretty much nothing else. That is a horrible trade any way you slice it. Understandable at the time but still really bad long term.

C'mon, try this... substitute "RGIII" with "1 first round pick" then see if the math still tells you that they traded 3.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

C'mon, try this... substitute "RGIII" with "1 first round pick" then see if the math still tells you that they traded 3.

Again - I didn't say that they "traded" 3 first round picks. I stated that they used 3 1st rd picks & a 2nd to obtain RG3. That is a fact & there is no way anyone can deny it.

Let's just call him "Player A" for now. Player A cost them 3 1st rd picks & a 2nd & in return he gave them one sensational, entertaining season & pretty much nothing else. How do you grade that scenario?

Once again - I was for the trade when it happened, but in hindsight it was a bad acquisition. Do you dispute that? Also - again - you need to live & learn & this is where the Redskins need to learn that making this type of trade is ill advised given their track record. Don't really care that much about the moves in 2012 since you can't undo any of that.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

15 NFL One Hit Wonders: Where Are They Now?

Here you go. At this pt RG3 basically - barring a miracle - will be categorized as a one hit wonder just like Peyton Hillis, Ickey Woods, Derek Anderson, etc. He will likely be a career backup & there is no shame in that & it can be pretty lucrative.

Everyone just needs to be as unemotional & objective as possible on this one. They rolled the dice & it was a winner for one season but a huge loss long term. NP - move on. I am with Skinsdad on this one - avoid the megatrade at just about all cost unless you get a favorable deal which is highly unlikely for this team.

 

[Skins2021]

Again - I didn't say that they "traded" 3 first round picks. I stated that they used 3 1st rd picks & a 2nd to obtain RG3. That is a fact & there is no way anyone can deny it.

Let's just call him "Player A" for now. Player A cost them 3 1st rd picks & a 2nd & in return he gave them one sensational, entertaining season & pretty much nothing else. How do you grade that scenario?

Once again - I was for the trade when it happened, but in hindsight it was a bad acquisition. Do you dispute that? Also - again - you need to live & learn & this is where the Redskins need to learn that making this type of trade is ill advised given their track record. Don't really care that much about the moves in 2012 since you can't undo any of that.

the trade was bad in hindsight yes...

but if the pick was Luck instead of RG3 or RG3 worked out would you be okay with trading 2-3 nfl starters for an NFL franchise QB?

The answer is YES every time. This FO is a joke. This organization is ran by clowns and is doomed until Snyder dies or sells and that hard headed asshole is only 50 something and will probably outlive all of us...

with that said there are a ton of moves this franchise makes on a nearly monthly basis that was not thought out. The RG3 move was at least logical and I believe somewhat thought out.

 

[Skins2021]

the trade was bad in hindsight yes...

but if the pick was Luck instead of RG3 or RG3 worked out would you be okay with trading 2-3 nfl starters for an NFL franchise QB?

The answer is YES every time. This FO is a joke. This organization is ran by clowns and is doomed until Snyder dies or sells and that hard headed asshole is only 50 something and will probably outlive all of us...

with that said there are a ton of moves this franchise makes on a nearly monthly basis that was not thought out. The RG3 move was at least logical and I believe somewhat thought out.

The Alex Smith trade IMO was much worse than the RG3 trade

 

[SoCalWizFan]

The Alex Smith trade IMO was much worse than the RG3 trade

No way. Sure the Smith trade will likely set them back cap wise, but the RG3 draft basically ruined 3 separate drafts for this team & helped in a major way to contribute to their current woes (just imagine the impact of 3 #1s on this team now or even 2 of those players contributing). Granted the Skins very well may have screwed up those picks, but that could have resulted in guys like Kuechly, Fletcher Cox, Deandre Hopkins, Ertz, Khalil Mack, Mike Evans, Beckham and/or Aaron Donald. Can you imagine having 2 or 3 of those guys on the Skins (well maybe not Beckham - lol)?

I would put the whole tagging & eventual dumping of Cousins as the 2nd worst move & then the Smith trade. Agree to disagree, but it doesn't matter. Those moves are in the past & all that matters is their approach moving fwd (that yes they very likely can & will screw up).

 

[Sportster 72]

I really don't understand why we get caught up in some of these stupid arguments …. it is like 5th grade …. you didn't say it right!!!

The Redskins traded 3 No. 1 and a No. 2 pick to acquire the rights to the Rams No. 1 which was the 2nd pick overall.

Arguments??

 

[skinsdad62]

It wasn't just two. I remember that shark and I were dead set against the trade when they were talking about it being a possibility. I think I had a different name under the old ESPN forum. Hell, I can't even remember what it was. LOL

i stand corrected

 

[Sportster 72]

i stand corrected

Like I said it was on the ESPN board and I had a different name …. cant remember but it was probably Honda Goldwing or something like that.