Alfred Morris.........Back-up???

[Stymietee]

Before anyone wants to prove how smart he/she is by stating the obvious, I'll concede it. IT'S FAR TOO EARLY TO MAKE THIS PREDICTION/ASSERTION/DECLARATION.
However it is the off-season and what else do we do other than yak about our draft picks, the OTA's and such. I have already become a fan of A. Reiter and predict that he's gonna push Litch for time real soon.

Now, about the RB's. We all know that Ammo excels in the zbs, what we don't know yet is can he take the pounding required in the pbs. So let me ask, if health is not an issue, what will the split be between Ammo and Jones?
I'll be frank and predict that if jones doesn't win the job outright in the preseason, the job will be his no later than game 8. I believe that SM truly believes in bigger being better and if that's the direction the team is going in, Ammo could already be the odd man out. Again, too early to tell, but let's see what you have to say from a speculators point of view.

 

[skinsdad62]

Before anyone wants to prove how smart he/she is by stating the obvious, I'll concede it. IT'S FAR TOO EARLY TO MAKE THIS PREDICTION/ASSERTION/DECLARATION.
However it is the off-season and what else do we do other than yak about our draft picks, the OTA's and such. I have already become a fan of A. Reiter and predict that he's gonna push Litch for time real soon.

Now, about the RB's. We all know that Ammo excels in the zbs, what we don't know yet is can he take the pounding required in the pbs. So let me ask, if health is not an issue, what will the split be between Ammo and Jones?
I'll be frank and predict that if jones doesn't win the job outright in the preseason, the job will be his no later than game 8. I believe that SM truly believes in bigger being better and if that's the direction the team is going in, Ammo could already be the odd man out. Again, too early to tell, but let's see what you have to say from a speculators point of view.

well here is where i am going with this . i have no doubt that AM will adjust to the PBS . he did it at FLA atlantic and the question coming in is could he flourish in the ZBS . he showed he could

a look at 3 HOF backs bettis , faulk and martin shows he is at their level for yds and tds and he is 2nd in the nfl in rushing behind lynch . add to it he doesnt miss games and their is a lot to like about morris and he is most likely a top 7 rb

i dont buy the old cliche about RBs are a dime a dozen . if that were the case we would have a league of adrian petererson's and walter paytons or emmit smith's . we dont

to come out and say by week 8 jones will be the starter is a huge reach . first he is a 3rd round draft pick . sometimes it takes some time for a 3rd rounder to pick up the nuances of the game (sometimes they dont )
this is really a back handed way of saying we should either trade morris or he will be gone next season . sorry but if jones goes down we have redd as our starter or the oft injured thompson . we will keep morris and we should keep him

now for next season if morris wants about 4 mil a season then he most likely will be gone if jones shows he can handle the job . if morris wants a reasonable deal then he will be kept as he should . this kid has been woefully under paid for his career . a raise in pay isnt out of line however we have robinson , kerrigan and williams to get signed as we do knighton and in the end that will cause morris to go

 

[skinz2winz]

What has Morris done to not have the organization trust him. Let's see, (3) 1,000 yard seasons in his first 3 NFL seasons. The guy got yards when there was none many times during the past 3 seasons. He takes a beaten and keeps coming back for more. Great team guy with the right attitude that not only does not miss games, he does not miss practices. A true keeper in ever sense of the word. Is he a game breaker in terms of speed? No, but he gets you the tough yards and never quits. Morris will have the starting job so long as the guys up front can do their job effectively to some degree for the entire season.

Having said that, if the team is 2-10 at some point, why not give Jones a look to see what we have entering the 2016 season. That is the only way Jones actually takes Morris' job.

HTTR!

 

[Stymietee]

well here is where i am going with this . i have no doubt that AM will adjust to the PBS . he did it at FLA atlantic and the question coming in is could he flourish in the ZBS . he showed he could

a look at 3 HOF backs bettis , faulk and martin shows he is at their level for yds and tds and he is 2nd in the nfl in rushing behind lynch . add to it he doesnt miss games and their is a lot to like about morris and he is most likely a top 7 rb

i dont buy the old cliche about RBs are a dime a dozen . if that were the case we would have a league of adrian petererson's and walter paytons or emmit smith's . we dont

to come out and say by week 8 jones will be the starter is a huge reach . first he is a 3rd round draft pick . sometimes it takes some time for a 3rd rounder to pick up the nuances of the game (sometimes they dont )
this is really a back handed way of saying we should either trade morris or he will be gone next season . sorry but if jones goes down we have redd as our starter or the oft injured thompson . we will keep morris and we should keep him

now for next season if morris wants about 4 mil a season then he most likely will be gone if jones shows he can handle the job . if morris wants a reasonable deal then he will be kept as he should . this kid has been woefully under paid for his career . a raise in pay isnt out of line however we have robinson , kerrigan and williams to get signed as we do knighton and in the end that will cause morris to go

Wow, where do I begin? Hmmmmm, let's see:

If you personally know nothing else about me and or my starter threads/postings you must by now know that I don't do backhand. ...period. Name the subject that I've introduced or responded to and there is no way this notion shouldn't be dismissed prior to posting/responding to anything that I write. Many disagree and that's fine, but think about it.......P. Garcon, F. Davis, M. Shanahan, D. Snyder, Name change, uniform colors/design, to name a few and there was never a time where I didn't come out directly and say what I meant.

Now I start another thread, asking for speculation on the RB position, where I specifically conceded that it's way too early to tell but introduced what may be the key in the decision making process (SM penchant for bigger/stronger)

Oh, BTW, I also started a thread where I specifically questioned the rationale for keeping Ammo this year prior to the draft, so there really was no reason to backhand attempt my stance on him, as that was already known. I honestly believe that just like Litch vs Reiter at center, we could see that same dynamic play out at RB in a Morris vs. Jones competition.

Finally, you say that a 3rd round pick could struggle to learn.....you must have forgotten that Morris was a 6th round pick. Just admit it, if all else is equal in this battle ......pass catching abilities and yes SIZE are going to be deciding factors.

 

[Sleepy T]

There is no reason to believe IMO that AM will lose the job to Jones. He is a quality RB, one of the best in the league. I think he is good enough and smart enough to adjust to the new scheme.

That being said, Stymie has a right to his opinion and it is not that big of a reach. Sounds like Jones has impressed a lot thus far and if he wins the job and is better, then he should start. I don't buy too much into the "learning" curve/time required for a RB. It is the position that is easiest for a rookie to come in and make an immediate impact, even start very early.

 

[skinsdad62]

Wow, where do I begin? Hmmmmm, let's see:

If you personally know nothing else about me and or my starter threads/postings you must by now know that I don't do backhand. ...period. Name the subject that I've introduced or responded to and there is no way this notion shouldn't be dismissed prior to posting/responding to anything that I write. Many disagree and that's fine, but think about it.......P. Garcon, F. Davis, M. Shanahan, D. Snyder, Name change, uniform colors/design, to name a few and there was never a time where I didn't come out directly and say what I meant.

Now I start another thread, asking for speculation on the RB position, where I specifically conceded that it's way too early to tell but introduced what may be the key in the decision making process (SM penchant for bigger/stronger)

Oh, BTW, I also started a thread where I specifically questioned the rationale for keeping Ammo this year prior to the draft, so there really was no reason to backhand attempt my stance on him, as that was already known. I honestly believe that just like Litch vs Reiter at center, we could see that same dynamic play out at RB in a Morris vs. Jones competition.

Finally, you say that a 3rd round pick could struggle to learn.....you must have forgotten that Morris was a 6th round pick. Just admit it, if all else is equal in this battle ......pass catching abilities and yes SIZE are going to be deciding factors.

do i need to go through a history of our 3rd round picks and show you that most 3rd rounders dont start in year one ? we had 2 long and moses and neither earned a starting gig year one

do i need to go through history and show you haw many 6th rounders actually start and become pro bowlers like morris has ?

so my statements stands and its more then reasonable certainly more reasonable then saying by game 8 he will start after 3 OTAS

again with reuter vs stieger , you ar asking a 7th rounder to beat out an established veteran in year one ? not likely and history backs me up on that as well

 

[Lonewate44]

Sty....

I'm pretty sure you were beating the drum to trade ALMO this offseason and get whatever we could for him...So it comes as no shock to me that you would be looking for him to be replaced this year.....as a way of coming back and saying...See...told you...should have traded him for anything and draft his replacement...

I agree with Dad on this......It is more likely that ALMO will be the man again this year, and baring injury, will be the man the whole year....ALMO is a top Back in this league...you dont just sit them becasue a guy looks great in a helmet and shorts....

 

[Stymietee]

There is no reason to believe IMO that AM will lose the job to Jones. He is a quality RB, one of the best in the league. I think he is good enough and smart enough to adjust to the new scheme.

That being said, Stymie has a right to his opinion and it is not that big of a reach. Sounds like Jones has impressed a lot thus far and if he wins the job and is better, then he should start. I don't buy too much into the "learning" curve/time required for a RB. It is the position that is easiest for a rookie to come in and make an immediate impact, even start very early.

I really appreciate what you've written here VTS, and honestly don't get the animus that's coming back. Maybe people are not in the mood to speculate anymore even though the precedent was set prior to my joining this site. Recent events back me up on this.......months and weeks prior to the NFL draft..........speculation, months and weeks prior to FA.......speculation and prior to that, months and weeks before the season.......more speculation. Maybe I'm being proactive a bit too early for some, but guess what follows OTA's? Training camp and for those who are unaware, there are already threads suggesting battles at different positions for starting time months and weeks prior to that event.

No one wants to see a favorite at jeopardy when it comes to starting, but it happens! Maybe in their haste to respond, they glossed over the most salient point of the thread, that being in a training camp/ preseason battle that is close (now this is important) the deciding factor could very well be SM vision of getting bigger/stronger which favors Jones. Oh well, Thanks anyway!!!

 

[skinsdad62]

I really appreciate what you've written here VTS, and honestly don't get the animus that's coming back. Maybe people are not in the mood to speculate anymore even though the precedent was set prior to my joining this site. Recent events back me up on this.......months and weeks prior to the NFL draft..........speculation, months and weeks prior to FA.......speculation and prior to that, months and weeks before the season.......more speculation. Maybe I'm being proactive a bit too early for some, but guess what follows OTA's? Training camp and for those who are unaware, there are already threads suggesting battles at different positions for starting time months and weeks prior to that event.

No one wants to see a favorite at jeopardy when it comes to starting, but it happens! Maybe in their haste to respond, they glossed over the most salient point of the thread, that being in a training camp/ preseason battle that is close (now this is important) the deciding factor could very well be SM vision of getting bigger/stronger which favors Jones. Oh well, Thanks anyway!!!

this has absolutely nothing to do with "seeing a favorite " in jeopardy . it has everything to do with just simply saying we have a guy who has produced HOF pace numbers in his 1st 3 years , doesnt miss time and is a high character team guy so why push him out the door or send him to the bench because you think a 3rd round pick who many said we reached for , never has had a 1000 yd rushing season and has caught the ball at a limited basis in college ?

hey if jones can take the job then great but i think its way too early to forecast that he will be starting by week 8 lets see if he can handle the Helu role before we break out the anointing oil

 

[j_y19]

I don't think this is such an outlandish prediction, but I do think that AM will still be the main guy all year. However, while AM has proven he is an effective runner and durable, he has also proven to be less effective in passing situations, both as a receiver and as a blocker. If Jones can show skills in this area and also shows he can be effective as a runner, it's not illogical to think that he will start to take snaps away from AM. Especially when one remembers that AM's contract is up after this year. I won't be surprised if the split closes on on 60-40 (AM with the majority) by years end. But I don't see AM as a back up this year.

 

[reptec101]

If anything Jones takes snaps away from Silas Redd... not Morris. Alfred, although a liability holding onto the ball at times has proven he can get the tuff 2 yards in a 3rd and short situation. Dude may not have class speed but the guy is quick and powerful, and his ability to catch out of the backfield has vastly improved. Most give credit to RG3 for his monster rookie year but that's not being fair. A ton of those yards came with guys on his back or him plowing through the line and always falling forward. I have to believe they drafted Jones not to replace AM this year, but maybe next if they lose him.

 

[Stymietee]

Sty....

I'm pretty sure you were beating the drum to trade ALMO this offseason and get whatever we could for him...So it comes as no shock to me that you would be looking for him to be replaced this year.....as a way of coming back and saying...See...told you...should have traded him for anything and draft his replacement...

I agree with Dad on this......It is more likely that ALMO will be the man again this year, and baring injury, will be the man the whole year....ALMO is a top Back in this league...you dont just sit them becasue a guy looks great in a helmet and shorts....

I'm not running away from that......I fully admit that I was in favor of getting some value for AM this year and still think that it was/is a wasted opportunity to cash in when he was/is most valuable in trade. Remember he is a FA next year so any return for his departure goes to zero.

My assessment of Jones has NOTHING to do with how he looks in a helmet and shorts, that's Dad's assertion. It has everything to do with the direction this team seems to be headed under the direction of SM. More on that later.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm not running away from that......I fully admit that I was in favor of getting some value for AM this year and still think that it was/is a wasted opportunity to cash in when he was/is most valuable in trade. Remember he is a FA next year so any return for his departure goes to zero.

My assessment of Jones has NOTHING to do with how he looks in a helmet and shorts, that's Dad's assertion. It has everything to do with the direction this team seems to be headed under the direction of SM. More on that later.

SM can be wrong on him . and if AM can fill the role SM has for him then we will see what happens SM has some misses too

jones has things to prove . not saying he cant but he still has to do it on the field

 

[Stymietee]

this has absolutely nothing to do with "seeing a favorite " in jeopardy . it has everything to do with just simply saying we have a guy who has produced HOF pace numbers in his 1st 3 years , doesnt miss time and is a high character team guy so why push him out the door or send him to the bench because you think a 3rd round pick who many said we reached for , never has had a 1000 yd rushing season and has caught the ball at a limited basis in college ?

hey if jones can take the job then great but i think its way too early to forecast that he will be starting by week 8 lets see if he can handle the Helu role before we break out the anointing oil

The same thing could be said of Shady McCoy and yet Philly has moved on seemingly for reasons much like the vision being employed here. I really don't believe that anyone posting here has never seen, heard of or were part of new management coming in and shaking things up to better reflect his/her or their vision of a particular organization. This one is no different. BTW: Jones may already have a decided advantage over Ammo.....if one believes in SM.

do i need to go through a history of our 3rd round picks and show you that most 3rd rounders dont start in year one ? we had 2 long and moses and neither earned a starting gig year one

do i need to go through history and show you haw many 6th rounders actually start and become pro bowlers like morris has ?

so my statements stands and its more then reasonable certainly more reasonable then saying by game 8 he will start after 3 OTAS

again with reuter vs stieger , you ar asking a 7th rounder to beat out an established veteran in year one ? not likely and history backs me up on that as well

Yes please do show me where history shows more 6th round picks make it than 3rd round picks. BTW: My prediction has NOTHING to do with the OTA's, more on that later.

 

[Stymietee]

If I've read it once, I've read it a thousand times, to quote many of you here..........."I believe in or am trusting SM"
How often has it been that fans everywhere and especially those posting here have lamented over this team drafting guys who require seasoning before they are ready to play or signing of backup types to start here?

After a complete assessment of this team, SM announced that this team needed to get bigger, stronger and more talented overall. Has he disappointed? Where? Every player he's signed or drafted are bigger stronger (in that regard) upgrades at the position they were either drafted for or signed to play. Further, relating to this thread, what are the arguments suggesting that the majority of his first draft class because they are bigger stronger won't be favorites to win or push very hard for starting spots especially if you consider that the guys in front of them got you 3-13 and 4-12?

I know factually that there are others here calling for talent with shorter learning curves in relation to what's previously bought in. Again, take a real close look at this draft class. If you're honest you'll notice that very few require 2 or more seasons to make major contributions. In fact there are at least 7 who, barring injury, will either start or push get playing time this year or next season. ( I'm reminded that even SM will have some misses)

Finally, to say that a 3rd round pick (who fits the current visionary's profile) likely won't come in and do exactly what the 6th round pick (who may not fit the desired profile) did when he came in and won a job on a rudderless team is frankly out of step with every player personnel move SM has made and vowed to continue making. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard the yarn about AM being a 3,000 yard runner, pro bowl player even a nice guy, but what bearing will any of that have on the upcoming season? The NFL is a heartless, unforgiving business, he gets exactly what everyone else gets......a chance to compete on a team that has gone from the aimless one that he won his spot on.....to one that has openly declared that bigger stronger more talented than he, is ideal.

 

[Lonewate44]

If I've read it once, I've read it a thousand times, to quote many of you here..........."I believe in or am trusting SM"
How often has it been that fans everywhere and especially those posting here have lamented over this team drafting guys who require seasoning before they are ready to play or signing of backup types to start here?

After a complete assessment of this team, SM announced that this team needed to get bigger, stronger and more talented overall. Has he disappointed? Where? Every player he's signed or drafted are bigger stronger (in that regard) upgrades at the position they were either drafted for or signed to play. Further, relating to this thread, what are the arguments suggesting that the majority of his first draft class because they are bigger stronger won't be favorites to win or push very hard for starting spots especially if you consider that the guys in front of them got you 3-13 and 4-12?

I know factually that there are others here calling for talent with shorter learning curves in relation to what's previously bought in. Again, take a real close look at this draft class. If you're honest you'll notice that very few require 2 or more seasons to make major contributions. In fact there are at least 7 who, barring injury, will either start or push get playing time this year or next season. ( I'm reminded that even SM will have some misses)

Finally, to say that a 3rd round pick (who fits the current visionary's profile) likely won't come in and do exactly what the 6th round pick (who may not fit the desired profile) did when he came in and won a job on a rudderless team is frankly out of step with every player personnel move SM has made and vowed to continue making. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard the yarn about AM being a 3,000 yard runner, pro bowl player even a nice guy, but what bearing will any of that have on the upcoming season? The NFL is a heartless, unforgiving business, he gets exactly what everyone else gets......a chance to compete on a team that has gone from the aimless one that he won his spot on.....to one that has openly declared that bigger stronger more talented than he, is ideal.

I see where you are going here...but let me point out.......

When Morris came in and won the job....Who was his competition?? NO body.........now for Jones to come in and TAKE the job he has to beat out Morris, a PROVEN top back....and contrary to what you believe....Morris isn't going to roll over and give up his Job..If anything he will work that much harder to make sure that it is his job.....could jones take it?/ Sure...I have to conceede that fact...However, I think it is more likly that he will keep his job thru hard work, and be even better this year becasue of the increased competition......I hope Jones is able to push for reps because...if we do lose Morris, it will be nice to have a guy that has experience and proven he can play.....but for now.... Morris is the main man in backfield....He has EARNED the job!!!


as far as bigger and stronger......UM Croweder is Smaller then Roberts. (whom we would like him to beat out)...so even though that is the mantra..Bigger and Stronger doesnt mean anything

 

[skinsdad62]

The same thing could be said of Shady McCoy and yet Philly has moved on seemingly for reasons much like the vision being employed here. I really don't believe that anyone posting here has never seen, heard of or were part of new management coming in and shaking things up to better reflect his/her or their vision of a particular organization. This one is no different. BTW: Jones may already have a decided advantage over Ammo.....if one believes in SM.




Yes please do show me where history shows more 6th round picks make it than 3rd round picks. BTW: My prediction has NOTHING to do with the OTA's, more on that later.

that isnt what i said stymie . i was pointing out that you are going against the norm , throughout the NFL in expecting 3rd rounders and 6th rounders to perform at those levels and it isnt just the redskins draft but ALL teams drafts

i bet for every 3rd rounder who starts regularly in year one in the nfl , i can find 20 who do not unless there is an injury the stats will back me up on that

most 6th rounders are never more then back -ups and the stats back my position up no matter if SM is drafting them or bruce allen

all GMS praise who they pick . jones certainly has some tools that could lead him to be a marshawn lynch type back but he needs to prove that and just because SM says so doesnt make it so