Adrian Beltre a HOFer?

[navamind]

Easy yes. One of the best defensive 3B of all-time and a pretty good hitter too.

 

[BigDDude]

He will make it. His final numbers will show that he belongs.

 

[gohusk]

He's a guy you have to see play every day to appreciate just how good he is at defense. He has one of the strongest arms I've ever seen for a third baseman.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

I wish there was actually good defensive metrics so i could understand how good he is/was... I have no clue how much of a boost his defense should be in making him a HOF... He is certainly, at this point not a HOFer due to his offense-borderline at best...

If he reaches a milestone then that is another story, but a .334 OBP is just not good enough for someone who has not reached any milestone to make the HOF... I dont care if there are examples of someone in that is similar offensively...

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Using Fangraphs Defensive metrics at 3B
1. Brooks Robinson- 359.8
2. Clete Boyer- 203
3. Buddy Bell- 200.9
4. Adrian Beltre- 192.4
5. Scott Rolen- 182.2
6. Graig Nettles- 179
10. Lave Cross- 161.9
13. Mike Shmidt- 150.7
20. craig counsell- 125.7

What this looks like to me, is showing that Even though Beltre is the 4th best defensive 3B he was not a SPECIAL talent at 3B... Brooks was Special over 100 points higher than 2nd place... It looks like Beltre was just the top end of the cluster...
using Baseball reference defensive WAR, he is 34th of all players(not just 3B), and will rise if he continues playing elite defense(can also fall if he has some bad defensive years)- but will likely never reach top 20 or even top 25...
Again what this shows to me is that he may be elite but he is not the special talent that should make it to the HOF solely because of defense... How much of a boost?? i honestly dont know...

 

[Texas Jefe]

If he does or doesn't, just know it has been a pleasure to watch him play. Have seen him reach out and win games on one leg (bad hammy), and he is a clutch performer. Plus, he is a dugout leader. His teammates appear to love the guy.

 

[TDs3nOut]

He's a guy you have to see play every day to appreciate just how good he is at defense. He has one of the strongest arms I've ever seen for a third baseman.

His arm strength is crazy. Allows him to get rid of the ball extra quickly, since he doesn't have to set his feet the way pretty much everyone else has to in order to make a strong throw.

 

[da55bums]

He very well might, he is only 34 turning 35 this year... But the only one he really has a chance at is Hits... He has 570 hits to go, that will be at least 3 more seasons worth of play, but more likely 4 full seasons of play... The fact that he is an old 34, makes me wonder if he can stay healthy much longer... If he can then he should break it, especially as the American league Has the DH... But i just dont see him being healthy in the back end of his career...

Miggy is at 2000 hits at 31 yr old, Adrian is on the pace for a guy who gets to 3000....not sure why he wouldn't make it to 3000, Brett and Yount did it at that age, many of the 3000 club has to do it through those years, not too many players have 3000 hits by age 34.

Anyone over 32 could have injuries shorten their career.

 

[navamind]

Using Fangraphs Defensive metrics at 3B
1. Brooks Robinson- 359.8
2. Clete Boyer- 203
3. Buddy Bell- 200.9
4. Adrian Beltre- 192.4
5. Scott Rolen- 182.2
6. Graig Nettles- 179
10. Lave Cross- 161.9
13. Mike Shmidt- 150.7
20. craig counsell- 125.7

What this looks like to me, is showing that Even though Beltre is the 4th best defensive 3B he was not a SPECIAL talent at 3B... Brooks was Special over 100 points higher than 2nd place... It looks like Beltre was just the top end of the cluster...
using Baseball reference defensive WAR, he is 34th of all players(not just 3B), and will rise if he continues playing elite defense(can also fall if he has some bad defensive years)- but will likely never reach top 20 or even top 25...
Again what this shows to me is that he may be elite but he is not the special talent that should make it to the HOF solely because of defense... How much of a boost?? i honestly dont know...

Beltre was a better hitter than Boyer/Robinson/Bell.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Beltre was a better hitter than Boyer/Robinson/Bell.

But Boyer and bell did not make the HOF... And Robinson was a special defensive player...

 

[seahawksfan234]

Has one of the highest active career WAR at 70.7.. Great all around player with a career ops of .812.. He would be a lock now if not for his years in Seattle IMO.. I think he will make it and deserves it.. One of my favorite players in the Majors...

Offensively he was not spectacular with the Mariners, but I've never seen a better defensive 3rd baseman in my life than Beltre while he was with the Mariners. His time in Seattle didn't help his HOF candidacy as far as his offensive statistics are concerned, but when you look at his career in aggregate plus what he is doing now, I think he is deserving of the HOF.

 

[HammerDown]

 

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[navamind]

That contract worked out very well for the Rangers. Sox should have held onto him and kept Youkilis at 1B instead of trading Gonzalez. Sox could have still had Rizzo too.

Beltre's career stats:
.285/.337/.477, 114 wRC+, 77.7 fWAR (8th among 3B), 2868 hits (should reach 3000 next year), 429 home runs (500 is possible? Not the slugger he used to be, but there's still some decent HR power there)

He's declined a bit, but his last two seasons are still quite good (in line with his 06-08 Seattle years). Still rates as a strong defensive 3B.

 

[navamind]

I would probably say no, even though he is borderline... He has not yet reach any milestone stats(HRs,Runs,RBIs, Hits), he has a career .282 BA with only a career .334 OBP.

If he does reach a milestone that should get him in, but assuming he doesnt reach any, i just dont see him being a HOF... He is 570 Hits away from the 3000 mark, that should take him at least 3 seasons, but if he can do it then he will make the HOF...

I just think a .334 OBP is way to low for a HOF who has not reached any milestone stat in his career...

He's got 10 points of wRC+ on Brooks. Brooks may have been the best defensive 3B of all-time, but I'm not sure defense makes up for that gap. A .337 OBP is pretty meh, but it's not exactly detrimental either.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

He's got 10 points of wRC+ on Brooks. Brooks may have been the best defensive 3B of all-time, but I'm not sure defense makes up for that gap. A .337 OBP is pretty meh, but it's not exactly detrimental either.

its amazing how much of a difference 2.5 seasons make...

During the beginning of this debate in april 2014 Beltre was coming off His worst defensive season of all time, and was ranked 34th all time in dWAR now he is ranked 13th, with legitimate potential to be a top 10 at the end of his career...

 

[Howie115]

One of only six active players with at least 400 HR and 1500 RBI, and the only third baseman among the group. As good as he is defensively, I think this makes him a lock for the HoF.

 

[Mondo Jay]

I used to doubt he would make it, but I think I was wrong.

He will be a HOFer.

 

[Howie115]

Beltre is currently 3rd among the Hall of Fame third basemen in home runs, and should have more RBI than any of them by next year. His OBP is higher than Brooks Robinson only, but I think the power stats more than make up for it.