Game Thread: 7/9 5th place @ 1st place

[calsnowskier]

Leave it up to the official scorer?

Not a huge fan of subjective stats. Just treat all pitchers like a reliever.

 

[1phlapdown]

Pena

try for another pbf

 

[shrksfn9192]

Survived the error, good play by Crawford.

 

[1phlapdown]

1-2-3 for Serg

 

[calsnowskier]

Milky sweet...

 

[1phlapdown]

4.2 scoreless from FYWW FTW. Great game.

 

[tzill]

Starter needs to go 5 for a win, right?

That rule needs to be removed.

disagree....any SP who can't go five deserves no win.

 

[calsnowskier]

disagree....any SP who can't go five deserves no win.

Yet a reliever throwing 1 pitch does?

The win is flawed at the most basic level. So just make it consistent for all pitchers and be done with it.

 

[LHG]

Yet a reliever throwing 1 pitch does?

The win is flawed at the most basic level. So just make it consistent for all pitchers and be done with it.

I'm curious how Kontos got the win and not Lopez. Scorer's discretion? Given to pitcher who finishes the 5th inning? Giants already had the lead on the top of the 5th inning.

 

[tzill]

Yet a reliever throwing 1 pitch does?

The win is flawed at the most basic level. So just make it consistent for all pitchers and be done with it.

Again I disagree. I think it should ONLY be available to pitchers who go at least 5 innings.

 

[1phlapdown]

spotted on the field

 

[tzill]

I'm curious how Kontos got the win and not Lopez. Scorer's discretion? Given to pitcher who finishes the 5th inning? Giants already had the lead on the top of the 5th inning.

once the SP leaves the game before the end of the 5th with a lead, its scorers discretion unless the team loses the lead.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'm curious how Kontos got the win and not Lopez. Scorer's discretion? Given to pitcher who finishes the 5th inning? Giants already had the lead on the top of the 5th inning.

If the starter does not go 5, it reverts to scorers discretion if the starter "earned" the win (except that the starter is not eligible for the win).

 

[Mays-Fan]

 

[Mays-Fan]

disagree....any SP who can't go five deserves no win.

I think you only agree with that "rule" because you grew up with that, or it's tradition.



But if you start with a clean slate, there is no way you come up with that rule. It just makes no objective sense.

 

[tzill]

I think you only agree with that "rule" because you grew up with that, or it's tradition.

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But if you start with a clean slate, there is no way you come up with that rule. It just makes no objective sense.

Sure it does. Any pitcher must go five to get a win. Now, awarding a win to a pitcher who DOESN'T go five innings makes no sense to me.

 

[msgkings322]

Great game, well pitched, esp by FYWW. Romo makes it all pretty much work again.

Belt keeps crushing it. Span looked ugly at the plate but maybe needs time. Surprised Green got subbed for a lefty after the big HR but IBWT.

I know the schedule has been soft lately but we got a good team here.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm curious how Kontos got the win and not Lopez. Scorer's discretion? Given to pitcher who finishes the 5th inning? Giants already had the lead on the top of the 5th inning.

I think Kontos got it for among other reasons he pitched more than any other reliever (4 outs)

 

[Mays-Fan]

Sure it does. Any pitcher must go five to get a win. Now, awarding a win to a pitcher who DOESN'T go five innings makes no sense to me.

Your reasoning is circular and therefore inadmissible. It amounts to "because I said so". It will be stricken from the record and the jury will give it no weight.

There is nothing inherent in the game of baseball that says the SP must go five to get a win.

 

[tzill]

Your reasoning is circular and therefore inadmissible. It amounts to "because I said so". It will be stricken from the record and the jury will give it no weight.

There is nothing inherent in the game of baseball that says the SP must go five to get a win.

1. We are offering our OPINIONS here. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Of course all of this is "because I said so," hence --> my opinion.
2. I'm not sure WHY 5 innings was originally picked as the minimum for a win, but perhaps it was "more than half a regular game," or "the number of innings the road team must bat to call a game complete if it's ended by rain."
3. For whatever reason, 5 innings is the standard...unless you're a RP, then it's different. I don't care for that at all. I think it ought to be standard across pitchers. Go five, leave with the lead your team never relinquishes, get the win. Irrespective of if you threw the first pitch or not. Is that arbitrary? Sure. So is 3 strikes for an out and 4 balls for a walk.

Just to be clear -- this is my OPINION. NOT circular logic. You may feel free to disagree.