49ers just traded for Jimmy G.

[Sharkinva]

3. I think the deal would have been done if Dan and Bruce wanted KC out of here. That is more than enough compensation b/c of where the picks are located in the draft.

Here is where you fail to think shit through.

Right NOW the NIners look to have a top five pick, maybe top two. Suppose they some how manage to win six of the next eight after trading for Cousins?? All of a sudden, that top five pick might be at #8-10 depending on how the tie breakers work out. Does that change how you look at the potential trade?? Well if you are logical it should. See the thing is, you were one who would have dealt Cousins for JUST the 2nd rounder. So trying to talk up the possibility of the trade now is just spin control.

 

[deanpet21]

Here is where you fail to think shit through.

Right NOW the NIners look to have a top five pick, maybe top two. Suppose they some how manage to win six of the next eight after trading for Cousins?? All of a sudden, that top five pick might be at #8-10 depending on how the tie breakers work out. Does that change how you look at the potential trade?? Well if you are logical it should. See the thing is, you were one who would have dealt Cousins for JUST the 2nd rounder. So trying to talk up the possibility of the trade now is just spin control.

The 49ers winning there next 6 games without Garcon? I don't think so. I think you need to think shit through. When did I say I would deal KC for a 2nd rounder? I said 1st and 2nd.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

If that is true, why didn't the Redskins make that effort this last offseason?

Hey - I could be wrong, but I believe that what they have seen this season shows them that Cousins is improving & that he is a very valuable part of this team - he has looked solid for the most part even as the offense around him has crumbled.

Last offseason they know that they could tag him. Heck - they may think the same thing this offseason that is why I stated that at the least they will tag him again. I just don't see them just getting rid of him & starting over. Everyone keeps suggesting that they want another new toy. You don't think that the relatively fresh memory of RG3 might at least cause them to have 2nd thoughts in this area? Oh well - we will see, but I don't feel as bad about this situation as some others.

 

[Sharkinva]

The 49ers winning there next 6 games without Garcon? I don't think so. I think you need to think shit through. When did I say I would deal KC for a 2nd rounder? I said 1st and 2nd.

I admit, you have never come out and said it. But I think you would have been thrilled and spun it as an awesome move because it would mean we were likely going to draft a new QB.

 

[gkekoa]

So if Kyle offered a 1 and 2 for KC you are saying Allen turns it down b/c its not a monster deal? Forget the past If Kyle could get his #1 QB why not call? If you gave up a 2 for Grap why isn't KC worth an extra first? He is a proven QB in your system. Im not spinning anything. Just proving there is no conspiracy. Plus why aren't teams like Jacksonville and Arizona not calling Bruce.

You keep saying KC is proven in Kyle's system, where?

 

[gkekoa]

Hey - I could be wrong, but I believe that what they have seen this season shows them that Cousins is improving & that he is a very valuable part of this team - he has looked solid for the most part even as the offense around him has crumbled.

Last offseason they know that they could tag him. Heck - they may think the same thing this offseason that is why I stated that at the least they will tag him again. I just don't see them just getting rid of him & starting over. Everyone keeps suggesting that they want another new toy. You don't think that the relatively fresh memory of RG3 might at least cause them to have 2nd thoughts in this area? Oh well - we will see, but I don't feel as bad about this situation as some others.

I could be wrong too but don't think they have come close to seeing enough from KC. BA probably blames KC for the failure that is Terrell Pryor, the let downs that are Jordan Reed, Jamison Crowder, and Josh Doctson, and the OL issues.

The new toy sells jerseys and brings in viewers. The new toy gives hope for the next Brady where as KC is seen as Alex Smith.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I could be wrong too but don't think they have come close to seeing enough from KC. BA probably blames KC for the failure that is Terrell Pryor, the let downs that are Jordan Reed, Jamison Crowder, and Josh Doctson, and the OL issues.

The new toy sells jerseys and brings in viewers. The new toy gives hope for the next Brady where as KC is seen as Alex Smith.

First of all the off field revenues have to be shared w/ other teams so it is not as big of a revenue stream as some believe. The viewers are also part of revenue sharing. The Skins basically sell out as long as they don't totally suck (which could happen this season). IMO wins are more important than flashy players in that case. They also have to be smart enough to realize that most of these potential 1st rd QBs have not been doing so great this season. That has to cause some concern.

Fans may see this one way, but I don't think that this whole shiny toy syndrome is as big of a deal for Snyder as some portray here. The fact is that none of us really know how Snyder/Allen feel rt now about Cousins. Any of us could be rt - we will see. Again - I still have faith.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

gke - now you might have a pt if you want to point out that 1st year QBs are way cheaper than vets like Cousins. That is a fair pt to argue. However - they also can fall short & put your program back another few years - we will see.

 

[Sharkinva]

First of all the off field revenues have to be shared w/ other teams so it is not as big of a revenue stream as some believe. The viewers are also part of revenue sharing. The Skins basically sell out as long as they don't totally suck (which could happen this season). IMO wins are more important than flashy players in that case. They also have to be smart enough to realize that most of these potential 1st rd QBs have not been doing so great this season. That has to cause some concern.

Fans may see this one way, but I don't think that this whole shiny toy syndrome is as big of a deal for Snyder as some portray here. The fact is that none of us really know how Snyder/Allen feel rt now about Cousins. Any of us could be rt - we will see. Again - I still have faith.

Socal... I tend to think of Dan Snyder as no more than a version of Dean/Coach and a few other posters.. who just happens to own the team. Every week we have to hear how awesome Wentz is, is another weekly reminder to guys like this that Kirk ISNT that awesome. Does Dan want to win?? Sure he does. BUt I think he also wants to be the talk of the NFL while we are doing it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Socal... I tend to think of Dan Snyder as no more than a version of Dean/Coach and a few other posters.. who just happens to own the team. Every week we have to hear how awesome Wentz is, is another weekly reminder to guys like this that Kirk ISNT that awesome. Does Dan want to win?? Sure he does. BUt I think he also wants to be the talk of the NFL while we are doing it.

So do you also believe that Snyder doesn't care about the opinions of fans? I don't. If so he would not have banned all of those anti-Snyder signs from several years ago. He would have just laughed at them.

Sure - they could get lucky, find the next Wentz, stay healthy & move on. However they could also find a QB who doesn't at least produce initially & go in the tank again. You can bet that this will also reintroduce the "F Snyder" signs at FedEx. You won't see many of those this season since the injuries are the primary reason for the losses. The backlash against Snyder would especially be huge if for some dumb reason they trade up for a QB (which is why I see no way in hell for that situation to occur again).

Perhaps they do move on from Cousins & pick a QB in mid-1st rd - I just don't believe that will be the case and (as much as we may dislike some of these guys) I believe that the FO is smarter than some believe.

 

[Sharkinva]

So do you also believe that Snyder doesn't care about the opinions of fans? I don't. If so he would not have banned all of those anti-Snyder signs from several years ago. He would have just laughed at them.

Sure - they could get lucky, find the next Wentz, stay healthy & move on. However they could also find a QB who doesn't at least produce initially & go in the tank again. You can bet that this will also reintroduce the "F Snyder" signs at FedEx. You won't see many of those this season since the injuries are the primary reason for the losses. The backlash against Snyder would especially be huge if for some dumb reason they trade up for a QB (which is why I see no way in hell for that situation to occur again).

Perhaps they do move on from Cousins & pick a QB in mid-1st rd - I just don't believe that will be the case and (as much as we may dislike some of these guys) I believe that the FO is smarter than some believe.

I think that much like it took a total collapse in his game for the majority of the fan base to give up on RG3, come draft time there will be 1-3 of these rookies that will be called the next Messiah. And if Snyder traded up for one of those, I think the fan base at large would roll with it UNLESS of course Cousins went else where and did very well.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I think that much like it took a total collapse in his game for the majority of the fan base to give up on RG3, come draft time there will be 1-3 of these rookies that will be called the next Messiah. And if Snyder traded up for one of those, I think the fan base at large would roll with it UNLESS of course Cousins went else where and did very well.

Please - tell me who of any of the current crop of potential QBs appears to be on the level that Luck or RG3 were in 2012? I don't see it. Darnold? Hardly looking impressive & don't see his image improving the balance of the season (& fair chance he doesn't come out). Jackson? Been there - done that. Rosen? Not really impressive in big games. Which one of these guys or others are going to give any of us warm fuzzies to the pt of trading away the next several drafts?

Have to disagree that a majority of the fan base would be on board with this. Some of the fan base? Sure. Most? No way. As far as Cousins doing well elsewhere that wouldn't be known until well after the trade so that would also be tied in w/ how well the rookie did. I am more referring to the draft & the time leading up to the draft. Again - I almost think that you are trying to talk yourself into believing that no matter what the Redskins will unload Cousins. Sorry - I don't see it that way at this time.

 

[Sharkinva]

Please - tell me who of any of the current crop of potential QBs appears to be on the level that Luck or RG3 were in 2012? I don't see it. Darnold? Hardly looking impressive & don't see his image improving the balance of the season (& fair chance he doesn't come out). Jackson? Been there - done that. Rosen? Not really impressive in big games. Which one of these guys or others are going to give any of us warm fuzzies to the pt of trading away the next several drafts?

Have to disagree that a majority of the fan base would be on board with this. Some of the fan base? Sure. Most? No way. As far as Cousins doing well elsewhere that wouldn't be known until well after the trade so that would also be tied in w/ how well the rookie did. I am more referring to the draft & the time leading up to the draft. Again - I almost think that you are trying to talk yourself into believing that no matter what the Redskins will unload Cousins. Sorry - I don't see it that way at this time.

And you are entitled to that opinion. Mine is, if they wanted Kirk long term we wouldnt be doing this ever tagging bullshit. I think they are keeping Kirk because he is their best option even if it is costly. I think they are going to tag him again UNLESS, they have a chance to get some one that they do want long term.

Also while I dont think the majority of the fan base WANT them to trade up, I think enough of the fan base WILL fall in line if they go in a different direction.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And you are entitled to that opinion. Mine is, if they wanted Kirk long term we wouldnt be doing this ever tagging bullshit. I think they are keeping Kirk because he is their best option even if it is costly. I think they are going to tag him again UNLESS, they have a chance to get some one that they do want long term.

Also while I dont think the majority of the fan base WANT them to trade up, I think enough of the fan base WILL fall in line if they go in a different direction.

Well not sure what you mean by "fall in line". If you are referring to whether fans will abandon the team if they go this route - sure - that won't happen for most (including me). Most of us have been Redskins fans for a long time so we will stay fans. That doesn't mean that most fans will be ecstatic about this move. Again - the memory of RG3 is still fresh in our minds so not sure why you believe that many fans won't be skeptical.

I really don't agree w/ this mindset that states that just because the FO felt a certain way last offseason they won't change their mind this offseason & will do things exactly the same. Again - I truly believe that Cousins has done some things this season to show that he has evolved - it is just not as obvious w/ all of the injuries & the subpar play of the WRs and RBs. Oh well - again - we will see.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well not sure what you mean by "fall in line". If you are referring to whether fans will abandon the team if they go this route - sure - that won't happen for most (including me). Most of us have been Redskins fans for a long time so we will stay fans. That doesn't mean that most fans will be ecstatic about this move. Again - the memory of RG3 is still fresh in our minds so not sure why you believe that many fans won't be skeptical.

I really don't agree w/ this mindset that states that just because the FO felt a certain way last offseason they won't change their mind this offseason & will do things exactly the same. Again - I truly believe that Cousins has done some things this season to show that he has evolved - it is just not as obvious w/ all of the injuries & the subpar play of the WRs and RBs. Oh well - again - we will see.

Well its obvious you are a bit more optimistic than I am when it comes to the front office and what they want. I just think every time Dan turns on sports center and has to hear how awesome some of these mobile QBs are, it does not ride well for the idea of keeping Kirk. Even in our small little niche, we constantly hear the mantra of sure there is no guarantee of finding an elite QB if we go away from Kirk... but we might. And I could see Dan rolling with this line of thinking because he has shown to be an impatient man with a flair for the sexy move. So like I said, unless Kirk evolves into a guy who can CARRY the team, there is a chance Dan and Bruce make a move to get a new guy.

But we shall see.

 

[deanpet21]

Socal... I tend to think of Dan Snyder as no more than a version of Dean/Coach and a few other posters.. who just happens to own the team. Every week we have to hear how awesome Wentz is, is another weekly reminder to guys like this that Kirk ISNT that awesome. Does Dan want to win?? Sure he does. BUt I think he also wants to be the talk of the NFL while we are doing it.

Mr. Conspiracy Theory

 

[Sharkinva]

Mr. Conspiracy Theory

Whats conspiratorial about what I said Dean?? There is a reason why most major draft sites STILL have us drafting a QB even after the Niners traded for Garapolo.

 

[gkekoa]

It isn't conspiracy. It is a belief based on history.

 

[Sleepy T]

@SoCalWizFan

Thanks for being the voice of reason on here.

Fact is, no one knows what is going to happen with KC and the QB position after this season. We can sit here and argue all we want about what he is worth, what he isn't worth, who screwed up, blah blah blah. But it does not change the fact that Dan is the owner and Bruce is running the show, both likely for the foreseeable future. You can't hold the RG3 debacle over their head forever. You can't bitch about how we have let KC get away when it hasn't even happened yet. Let it play out.

So get the hell over it or follow another team. Dan is gonna be around for awhile.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Whats conspiratorial about what I said Dean?? There is a reason why most major draft sites STILL have us drafting a QB even after the Niners traded for Garapolo.

Well - again we will see, However I would put just about no faith in what you read on sites dedicated to the draft or the NFL in general. In this era the folks who run those sites don't know any more than any of us & they have a tendency to write things basically as click bate. Go back & say review a mock draft from this time last year & let me know how accurate it is.

You will also notice that more often than not the sites that make predictions & observations about Cousins are not Redskins sites & often are run by folks who cover the 49ers, Browns or other teams. Again - I would guess that they do this for click bait & the blogger/writer knows less about the KC situation than any of us.

I would take VTSparks advice & just chill & let this play out.