49ers just traded for Jimmy G.

[deanpet21]

Wrong. It is up to the Skins reaching out to him early & not presenting him with another insulting offer. You appear to have a blind spot in this area (fueled by your hatred for KC which you always deny).

It would be up to KC if he wants to stay here or not.

 

[j_y19]

You're not hearing me. He was evaluated back in 2014 and what he's done since then only affirmed that very high rating. The only difference at this point between the draft and the Grop trade is money and some team was gonna pay Grop 20-someodd million per year this offseason, so it might as well be us.

Pay it to a proven guy? The Niners had no guarantee that "a proven guy" would be available and willing to sign here. Grop is essentially is a rookie, and considering the Niners' current situation, there won't be much pressure to win this season or next season.

Don't take it to heart. He doesn't hear anybody.

 

[gkekoa]

Has KC done more to warrant 30 million per season than JG has done to wattant 22 million?

 

[gkekoa]

It would be up to KC if he wants to stay here or not.

If your boss offered you 5 dollars an hour but another guy offered you 50 dollars an hour, is it really up to you?

 

[Niner Outlaw]

There was still a shot to go after KC is the Skins don't sign him. IF that failed they could of paid Grap without giving up the pick. With the draft pick you are going to have if you are going to rebuild, rebuild.

There could be a shot to sign Cousins if several "If's" happen and some other "If's" don't happen. Apparently that is too many If's for the Niner FO--according to Peter King, the Niners did this to get "a bird in the hand." Meaning that the Niners didn't want to risk not having a chair when the music stopped.

Grap is just as much of risk and paying double the money.

Two equally rated QBs. Player A has played well in the 2.5 NFL games after being a backup for 3 years. Player B has never played an NFL down, had to run an NFL offense, or seen an NFL defense. No, those two players DO NOT present the same level of risk (bust potential).

 

[deanpet21]

There could be a shot to sign Cousins if several "If's" happen and some other "If's" don't happen. Apparently that is too many If's for the Niner FO--according to Peter King, the Niners did this to get "a bird in the hand." Meaning that the Niners didn't want to risk not having a chair when the music stopped.

Two equally rated QBs. Player A has played well in the 2.5 NFL games after being a backup for 3 years. Player B has never played an NFL down, had to run an NFL offense, or seen an NFL defense. No, those two players DO NOT present the same level of risk (bust potential).

well that is your opinion about Grap. You are still going to have to pay him huge money for a small sample size in a massive rebuild. That is a fact. Kyle must have a higher draft grade on Grap then Rosen or Donald. Why does 2.5 NFL games mean anything? It just sounds desperate to me especially when you have the #1 pick or #2 pick. Didn't Cle offer #12 overall pick for Grap? Or do I have that wrong.

Do you have any idea what Kyle wanted for Hyde? I wanted him. He was involved in trade rumors.

 

[Sharkinva]

well that is your opinion about Grap. You are still going to have to pay him huge money for a small sample size in a massive rebuild. That is a fact. Kyle must have a higher draft grade on Grap then Rosen or Donald. Why does 2.5 NFL games mean anything? It just sounds desperate to me especially when you have the #1 pick #2 pick. Didn't Cle offer #12 overall pick for Grap? Or do I have that wrong.

Do you have any idea what Kyle wanted for Hyde? I wanted him. He was involved in trade rumors.

You have that wrong. The Pats WANTED the #12 pick for Grap. The Brown said no.

Again the Niners decided it was worth a 2nd rounder to have eight games or so to evaluate Grap and see if he could be the guy. If he can, great they get him for the $20M a year long term and it doesnt cost them the TWO first rounders Cousins likely would. If they dont resign Grap, they can either

1. Draft a rookie
2. Try and deal with the Skins from a stronger position.

 

[deanpet21]

You have that wrong. The Pats WANTED the #12 pick for Grap. The Brown said no.

Again the Niners decided it was worth a 2nd rounder to have eight games or so to evaluate Grap and see if he could be the guy. If he can, great they get him for the $20M a year long term and it doesnt cost them the TWO first rounders Cousins likely would. If they dont resign Grap, they can either

1. Draft a rookie
2. Try and deal with the Skins from a stronger position.

My bad. Cle did offer something. I forgot what it was. lol. Grap is not going anywhere in 2018. He is the 49ers choice for there rebuild. I thought the number was higher than $20M for Grap at his age. I just would of waited if I was the 49ers. Grap is still an unknown. It was very possible they could of gotten in him FA too.

 

[Sharkinva]

My bad. Cle did offer something. I forgot what it was. lol. Grap is not going anywhere in 2018. He is the 49ers choice for there rebuild. I thought the number was higher than $20M for Grap at his age. I just would of waited if I was the 49ers. Grap is still an unknown. It was very possible they could of gotten in him FA too.

The difference is, the Niners have a GM with a clue. If Grap is going to be the guy, they will make him an offer well before free agency, and move hard and fast to get him locked up. So $20-22M a year should do it. Worst case they franchise him and pay him $24M for the season.

If they went after him in FA, they risk having to bid against

The Browns
The Jets
and just maybe The Redskins

They gave up a 2nd rounder for an 8 game try and buy, and the ability to own his negotiation rights. Worst case he fails and they gave up a draft pick that could turn into Rogers, or Cravens.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

well that is your opinion about Grap.

No. You said a rookie would be the same risk (bust potential) as Grop. That is not true. Not my opinion. It's a fact. A player who has actually played well in NFL games automatically has a higher floor (lower bust potential) than a completely unknown rookie. You and I may have to disagree on the the logic of that.

You are still going to have to pay him huge money for a small sample size in a massive rebuild. That is a fact.

Signing Grop will barely make a dent in the 117M in cap space we're projected to have in 2018.

Kyle must have a higher draft grade on Grap then Rosen or Donald.

Yes, I said the same thing to you in Post 79. "7. Kyle/Lynch weren't as high on the QB draft class as they were on Grop and Cousins."

Why does 2.5 NFL games mean anything? It just sounds desperate to me especially when you have the #1 pick or #2 pick.

All it took was 2 or 3 games for the Raiders, the Eagles, Packers, etc. to know that the young guy they picked or traded for could be a very good Qb in the NFL. Real playing time in NFL games cannot be simulated.

Didn't Cle offer #12 overall pick for Grap? Or do I have that wrong.

IIRC, the Pats demanded the #12, but the Browns said no.

Do you have any idea what Kyle wanted for Hyde? I wanted him. He was involved in trade rumors.

I don't know what the Niners wanted for Hyde. He's having the best year of his career so far, but he doesn't really fit our running scheme and he keeps getting hurt. Most of us Niner fans wanted Hyde traded b/c it doesn't look like he has a future here.

 

[deanpet21]

The difference is, the Niners have a GM with a clue. If Grap is going to be the guy, they will make him an offer well before free agency, and move hard and fast to get him locked up. So $20-22M a year should do it. Worst case they franchise him and pay him $24M for the season.

If they went after him in FA, they risk having to bid against

The Browns
The Jets
and just maybe The Redskins

They gave up a 2nd rounder for an 8 game try and buy, and the ability to own his negotiation rights. Worst case he fails and they gave up a draft pick that could turn into Rogers, or Cravens.

why would Grap sign a deal like that when he knows he will get more in FA?

 

[Sharkinva]

why would Grap sign a deal like that when he knows he will get more in FA?

Because he MIGHT get more in FA, but the question would be who is giving him MORE? If the Browns offer him $35M a year, with the Browns track record of destroying careers, is it worth going to the Browns?? And you forget, the Niners could simply franchise tag him for $24M.

$20-22M a year on a six year deal beats $24M and playing the tag game.

 

[deanpet21]

No. You said a rookie would be the same risk (bust potential) as Grop. That is not true. Not my opinion. It's a fact. A player who has actually played well in NFL games automatically has a higher floor (lower bust potential) than a completely unknown rookie. You and I may have to disagree on the the logic of that.

Signing Grop will barely make a dent in the 117M in cap space we're projected to have in 2018.

Yes, I said the same thing to you in Post 79. "7. Kyle/Lynch weren't as high on the QB draft class as they were on Grop and Cousins."

All it took was 2 or 3 games for the Raiders, the Eagles, Packers, etc. to know that the young guy they picked or traded for could be a very good Qb in the NFL. Real playing time in NFL games cannot be simulated.

IIRC, the Pats demanded the #12, but the Browns said no.

I don't know what the Niners wanted for Hyde. He's having the best year of his career so far, but he doesn't really fit our running scheme and he keeps getting hurt. Most of us Niner fans wanted Hyde traded b/c it doesn't look like he has a future here.

he played 2.5 games. Grap has bust potential too. Sure that is if he signs a long term deal. Grap could want to hit FA. I know you said that but this rookie class is going to have a high rating. But its 2.5 games with a differnet team and system. That can not translate to the 49ers what he has done with the pats.

 

[deanpet21]

Because he MIGHT get more in FA, but the question would be who is giving him MORE? If the Browns offer him $35M a year, with the Browns track record of destroying careers, is it worth going to the Browns?? And you forget, the Niners could simply franchise tag him for $24M.

$20-22M a year on a six year deal beats $24M and playing the tag game.

Wouldnt Grap be the youngest QB to hit FA this year? The Browns and 49ers are both bad situations so yea I would take the 35M a year in a heart beat if I was Grap. Grap can refuse to sign the franchise tag, right?

 

[Sharkinva]

Wouldnt Grap be the youngest QB to hit FA this year? The Browns and 49ers are both bad situations so yea I would take the 35M a year in a heart beat if I was Grap. Grap can refuse to sign the franchise tag, right?

Sure he can, in which case he misses most or all of training camp. Risks sitting out, or being traded to the Browns any way. The reality is, unless the Niners win out the season, Grap aint going to get offered more than $20-22M, $24 tops. If he wants more than that, the Niners COULD pay it, but then again they could just trade his rights and draft a QB.

 

[deanpet21]

Sure he can, in which case he misses most or all of training camp. Risks sitting out, or being traded to the Browns any way. The reality is, unless the Niners win out the season, Grap aint going to get offered more than $20-22M, $24 tops. If he wants more than that, the Niners COULD pay it, but then again they could just trade his rights and draft a QB.

If Grap doesn't sign any tags he automatically becomes a FA. Right? So I would play the market. Someone will overpay. The tag is signed in March so how does he miss training camp?

 

[Sharkinva]

If Grap doesn't sign any tags he automatically becomes a FA. Right? So I would play the market. Someone will overpay. The tag is signed in March so how does he miss training camp?

Wrong... if he doesnt sign he has the option to sit out a year, in which case they tag him again. If he is tagged, the team owns his rights. They can trade him to whom ever they want. The only way he becomes a FA is if the team rescends the tag. And there would be little or no reason for them to do that.

 

[deanpet21]

Wrong... if he doesnt sign he has the option to sit out a year, in which case they tag him again. If he is tagged, the team owns his rights. They can trade him to whom ever they want. The only way he becomes a FA is if the team rescends the tag. And there would be little or no reason for them to do that.

So he gets tagged no matter what and makes $24m in 2018. So there is no chance he makes it to FA.

 

[j_y19]

why would Grap sign a deal like that when he knows he will get more in FA?

Dean, you are like a broken record. We all had this exact same discussion with you about KC.

 

[Sharkinva]

So he gets tagged no matter what and makes $24m in 2018. So there is no chance he makes it to FA.

Sure he can become an unrestricted free agent. All he has to do is totally suck ass the next eight games.