If Allens job is on the line...

[Sharkinva]

To be fair, some people have been on him as a 1st rounder for a long time.

That may well be. And I freely admit, I was much more focused on the defensive players I thought would be available at 17, so its very likely he slipped under my radar until about a month ago. As for College ball, I get to watch the Gators, Noles, UM and a few of the really local teams (UCF) on a regular basis. IF he wasnt playing one of those teams, odds are he didnt catch my eye on a Saturday.

 

[ehb5]

If the rookie defender is not a sack master history shows that rookie RB's have the biggest impact on teams.

Does it? The jump from what we can get in the 3rd or 4th or what we have now is not as big as the jump from what we have on D to what we could get in the 1st.

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed. Which is why I think we'll take a RB

As long as we dont fuk around and trade up to take Watson... I think we will both live.

 

[deanpet21]

Does it? The jump from what we can get in the 3rd or 4th or what we have now is not as big as the jump from what we have on D to what we could get in the 1st.

If Mixon/Cook have an impact like Gurley or Elliot did then its huge. IMO we have nothing at RB right now. Not one of our guys strike fear into defenses. So yes I am all for RB at 17.

 

[Sharkinva]

Does it? The jump from what we can get in the 3rd or 4th or what we have now is not as big as the jump from what we have on D to what we could get in the 1st.

Um... you sure this says what you are trying to say?? Mind you I agree with it on face value.

But here is the thing.... the RB we are likely to get in the 3rd or 4th is probably on par with what we have or maybe slightly better.

The Defensive player we would get in the 2nd or 3rd depending on what position, is damn near an automatic upgrade over what we currently have.

Ziggy HOOD, starting NT... thats all you really need to say.

So IM thinking a REAL upgrade at RB in round one, and we still really upgrade the D-line in round two with say a McDowell or Brantley.

 

[ehb5]

If Mixon/Cook have an impact like Gurley or Elliot did then its huge. IMO we have nothing at RB right now. Not one of our guys strike fear into defenses. So yes I am all for RB at 17.

A lot of teams dont have Zeke level talent at RB and are fine. And you cant just assume these guys will have an impact like either of them did. What if they have a Trent Richardson impact. What if the defensive player we pass on has a Jalen Ramsey or Aaron Donald impact. You can make what if arguments any way you want.

 

[Sportster 72]

Mostly I am not for drafting a RB in the 1st round at all. Shanahan proved over and over you can get them later and at a much better price. I am easy though, if we draft a guy in the 1st round and he is a star, I will love him like a long lost brother.

I am not passing judgement on Mixon. We all make mistakes. All I care about is having a guy that could be one angry moment from "Joe Who?" You don't think people wouldn't play up on him in that regard. They know he can't lose his mind or he is gone and I think we all know that some would try to take advantage of that.

The "white boy" racist comment was a joke. We all know Mike Alsott was the greatest RB in the history of the NFL.

 

[deanpet21]

A lot of teams dont have Zeke level talent at RB and are fine. And you cant just assume these guys will have an impact like either of them did. What if they have a Trent Richardson impact. What if the defensive player we pass on has a Jalen Ramsey or Aaron Donald impact. You can make what if arguments any way you want.

b/c history says that most rookie impacts are at the RB position no matter what round.

 

[ehb5]

Um... you sure this says what you are trying to say?? Mind you I agree with it on face value.

But here is the thing.... the RB we are likely to get in the 3rd or 4th is probably on par with what we have or maybe slightly better.

The Defensive player we would get in the 2nd or 3rd depending on what position, is damn near an automatic upgrade over what we currently have.

Ziggy HOOD, starting NT... thats all you really need to say.

So IM thinking a REAL upgrade at RB in round one, and we still really upgrade the D-line in round two with say a McDowell or Brantley.

I think it did? Lol

If the RB we get in the 3rd or 4th is on par with what we already have then we probably arent that bad at RB right now.

 

[ehb5]

b/c history says that most rookie impacts are at the RB position no matter what round.

Id love to see some data to support that claim.

But you even threw in that "no matter what round" cuz you knew you can find RBs later. So why spend our most valuable pick on one?

 

[deanpet21]

Id love to see some data to support that claim.

But you even threw in that "no matter what round" cuz you knew you can find RBs later. So why spend our most valuable pick on one?

b/c its worth the risk. We dont have David Johnson on our team. We have a chance to get a possible stud so roll the dice. have Donald and Ramsey had bigger rookie impacts than Gurley or Eliott have had? NO!!

Rookie defenders have more of a long term impact. I am talking about instant impact.

 

[Sportster 72]

Saquon .... Saquon ..... Saquon.

 

[gkekoa]

You should go run and hide if McCaffery gets selected in the top 10 or 20 picks. You did even have him as a first rounder. lol

Mixon could give this team great success so yea it could save Allens job. So 7-9 Allen is fired gk?

You don't seem to get it Dean. I would not draft McCaffery in the first round because that is my philosophy on the position. I don't see the value of drafting a RB in round 1.

Over the last couple of seasons, we have seen only

2016 saw Zeke go 4 but next was 45 at Henry.
2015 saw Gurley and Gordon go in the first. Neither have been worth the pick.
2014 saw no RBs taken in round 1.
2013 saw 1 RB taken.

I would say there is very little value in those picks. That is what franchises are looking for and that is why I don't believe we will see 3 RBs go in round 1. The last time 3 went, Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, and David Wilson went in 2012. 2 are out of the NFL and Martin has proven unworthy of the pick at all.

 

[Sharkinva]

Id love to see some data to support that claim.

But you even threw in that "no matter what round" cuz you knew you can find RBs later. So why spend our most valuable pick on one?

You can find almost every position in every round. The difference in a RB at 17 and one in the 3rd round.. for this draft class any way, is likely the difference between a true starter, and a change of pace back..... We got five of those on roster already. If we dont take RB in the first two picks, we might as well not take one honestly.

 

[Sharkinva]

You don't seem to get it Dean. I would not draft McCaffery in the first round because that is my philosophy on the position. I don't see the value of drafting a RB in round 1.

Over the last couple of seasons, we have seen only

2016 saw Zeke go 4 but next was 45 at Henry.
2015 saw Gurley and Gordon go in the first. Neither have been worth the pick.
2014 saw no RBs taken in round 1.
2013 saw 1 RB taken.

I would say there is very little value in those picks. That is what franchises are looking for and that is why I don't believe we will see 3 RBs go in round 1. The last time 3 went, Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, and David Wilson went in 2012. 2 are out of the NFL and Martin has proven unworthy of the pick at all.

Most of these guys went to teams with little or no offense to begin with. And for fuck sake Richardson went to the Browns, very few make it out of the Dawg Pound with their career in tact. We have an offense that has made some below average RBs (Jones and Kelly) look average. Get past your RBs arent worth a first rounder bias for half a second and think about what this offense would look like with a real RB on the field.

For everyone screaming take the best player available, I see a shit ton of we have to draft defense no matter what talk.. which screams of drafting for NEED over the best player available. Or is it now, best player available at a position of need... and we dont need a better RB??

 

[deanpet21]

You don't seem to get it Dean. I would not draft McCaffery in the first round because that is my philosophy on the position. I don't see the value of drafting a RB in round 1.

Over the last couple of seasons, we have seen only

2016 saw Zeke go 4 but next was 45 at Henry.
2015 saw Gurley and Gordon go in the first. Neither have been worth the pick.
2014 saw no RBs taken in round 1.
2013 saw 1 RB taken.

I would say there is very little value in those picks. That is what franchises are looking for and that is why I don't believe we will see 3 RBs go in round 1. The last time 3 went, Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, and David Wilson went in 2012. 2 are out of the NFL and Martin has proven unworthy of the pick at all.

You are predicting Mccahffery wont go in round 1. I am just disagreeing with you. Now you are saying 3 RB's wont go in round 1. I disagree again. Now if MCCaffery is selected in the top 10 it just makes you look like as ass. Simple as that.

 

[deanpet21]

Most of these guys went to teams with little or no offense to begin with. And for fuck sake Richardson went to the Browns, very few make it out of the Dawg Pound with their career in tact. We have an offense that has made some below average RBs (Jones and Kelly) look average. Get past your RBs arent worth a first rounder bias for half a second and think about what this offense would look like with a real RB on the field.

For everyone screaming take the best player available, I see a shit ton of we have to draft defense no matter what talk.. which screams of drafting for NEED over the best player available. Or is it now, best player available at a position of need... and we dont need a better RB??

You must of took your medication this morning. You are making sense. lol.

DR. DOOM!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

You must of took your medication this morning. You are making sense. lol.

DR. DOOM!!!

Just do me a favor.. dont say you like Cook between now and the draft.. because I dont want to have to hate him. Deal??

 

[deanpet21]

Just do me a favor.. dont say you like Cook between now and the draft.. because I dont want to have to hate him. Deal??

I like Mixon over Cook but if we take Cook at 17 im happy. Taking a RB at 17 makes so much sense now.

 

[Ruzious]

My thing on McCaffery is, IM not a huge fan of taking a guy in the first round that six months ago was considered a 3rd rounder. I agree that there is a bit of stigma with white boys at RB, but fuck this kid could be white shady for all I know. I have seen Cook alot, I have seen Mixon and Fournette a couple of times. Any one of the four looks like they would be an upgrade over what we got.

Is that really good reasoning? I remember a lot of mocks had Cam Newton going 3rd round right before the end of his college career, and there are probably lots of similar examples.