Bargain Basement Free Agents Will Not Work

[countryroads316]

We have done tried that the last couple of years and it has not worked I'm not saying spend like the Redskins of old but if we don't go after a few top guys I see quite a few people getting fired after next season!!!

 

[Stymietee]

I don't believe that is going to happen (going cheap), in fact I am convinced that going cheap was done on purpose last off-season primarily because Scott correctly predicted that this upcoming draft is by far more loaded with top shelf defensive players than the previous one. You have to admit that we are in excellent position to address a lot of our weaknesses this year than last. Let's see how it plays out

 

[skinsdad62]

boy that djax cat and josh norman were sure bargain basement

how about you understand that you cant fix everything in one off season ?

we are going in the right direction just show an ounce of patience

 

[countryroads316]

boy that djax cat and josh norman were sure bargain basement

how about you understand that you cant fix everything in one off season ?

we are going in the right direction just show an ounce of patience

you can't fix everything in one offseason but at the same time you can't keep the team completely intact of top players for years goes both ways time to put some results up

 

[Skin'EmAll]

I don't believe that is going to happen (going cheap), in fact I am convinced that going cheap was done on purpose last off-season primarily because Scott correctly predicted that this upcoming draft is by far more loaded with top shelf defensive players than the previous one. You have to admit that we are in excellent position to address a lot of our weaknesses this year than last. Let's see how it plays out

Fair assessment, especially from one of the previous threads you made. Even drafting Doctson shows Scott was preparing ahead -- however, priority appears to be going to the offense. I'm not seeing anything going to defense, I'm almost sure #17 will be offense - which is cool. At some point, DLine has to be FIXED. you can get away with average stuff everywhere else but not there. Some of us are just casual fans, but our scalps are bleeding from all the head-scratching moves.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Why are you so sure it will be an offensive player at 17? If SM really goes BPA it's a 50/50 shot. Personally I think he does factor in need, I mean if a TE or LT is BPA at 17 do you really think that will be the selection? So with that said if two players are rated close I see a defensive player as the possible pick.

Back to the topic I kind of see where Country is going, we've talked about this before DJax and Norman were surprisingly suddenly available and SM jumped at the opportunity. Other than that the vast majority of the FA they huddled up, discussed, and decided to target have been a real issue. Sure the signings didn't bust the cap but those players were signed to start or compete for starting jobs. When they failed not only did it cost us games (see Brutoin, David) but after they were cut it still left the same hole to fill. And collectively they represent a lot of dad cap space. For every Ty or Vernon Davis there are four guys like Pae and Jeron Johnson SM has to do better.

 

[Breed]

boy that djax cat and josh norman were sure bargain basement

how about you understand that you cant fix everything in one off season ?

we are going in the right direction just show an ounce of patience

Word on the patience, but at the same time. We gotta do a better job most certainly in FA. I'm not really saying to sign top tier FAs.........unless they come in the mold of a Tony Jefferson or a Tom Brady. Guys who still have a chip on their shoulder for whatever reason and continue to play with something to prove.W/O question though, the bargain hunting or the trying to be extra crafty, whatever it may be, signing career STers and giving them starting jobs or even thinking they can be starters has to cease and desist.

And more has to get fixed this off-season than what's been done over the last two off-seasons. Including keeping our own. I can understand management not being high on Djax due to injuries/missing time, though I still hope we re-sign him. But letting both Djax and PG go would imo be unacceptale. A blink of an eye and that quick we could be needing multiple WRs, another RB, possibly a TE and looking at acquiring a new QB before the 2018 reg season kicks off. And I look at it like this. If management can't come to a consensus and get KC under contract long term before the season starts. Which I hope they can, but if not. They may as well look hard at offers from other teams far as trades go and/or shop KC to gauge interest. Cuz we can't franchise him next year at 34 mill per

 

[Sleepy T]

I agree with country here. Getting the cheap scraps in FA has not worked. Not saying that we need to break the bank for 1 or 2 players (too many holes)... but some of the stop gap players has not quite panned out. Would like to see us get some solid, middle $$ players to make the defense better NOW, resign the play makers on O, and continue drafting reasonably well.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I would like to see one or two impact signings, then players at the Chris Baker level, solid starters that will be an upgrade but not huge deals either.

 

[Stymietee]

Word on the patience, but at the same time. We gotta do a better job most certainly in FA. I'm not really saying to sign top tier FAs.........unless they come in the mold of a Tony Jefferson or a Tom Brady. Guys who still have a chip on their shoulder for whatever reason and continue to play with something to prove.W/O question though, the bargain hunting or the trying to be extra crafty, whatever it may be, signing career STers and giving them starting jobs or even thinking they can be starters has to cease and desist.

And more has to get fixed this off-season than what's been done over the last two off-seasons. Including keeping our own. I can understand management not being high on Djax due to injuries/missing time, though I still hope we re-sign him. But letting both Djax and PG go would imo be unacceptale. A blink of an eye and that quick we could be needing multiple WRs, another RB, possibly a TE and looking at acquiring a new QB before the 2018 reg season kicks off. And I look at it like this. If management can't come to a consensus and get KC under contract long term before the season starts. Which I hope they can, but if not. They may as well look hard at offers from other teams far as trades go and/or shop KC to gauge interest. Cuz we can't franchise him next year at 34 mill per

I don't want to turn this into another KC thread, but what you write is on point about him and the relationship with this team. I get the blow back, dudes and dudettes here just don't want to think about that real possibility of repeating what happened last year with tagging him and all that comes with it. Truth is unless the organization gives he and his reps everything that they ask for, Kirk will happily and quickly sign the tag. OK, they low balled him last year, why? But more important why would they do anything more this year? Desperation? Humility? Fear? Poor PR? Etc. Etc.....all of that was also true then, so what's the incentive?

 

[skinsdad62]

Word on the patience, but at the same time. We gotta do a better job most certainly in FA. I'm not really saying to sign top tier FAs.........unless they come in the mold of a Tony Jefferson or a Tom Brady. Guys who still have a chip on their shoulder for whatever reason and continue to play with something to prove.W/O question though, the bargain hunting or the trying to be extra crafty, whatever it may be, signing career STers and giving them starting jobs or even thinking they can be starters has to cease and desist.

And more has to get fixed this off-season than what's been done over the last two off-seasons. Including keeping our own. I can understand management not being high on Djax due to injuries/missing time, though I still hope we re-sign him. But letting both Djax and PG go would imo be unacceptale. A blink of an eye and that quick we could be needing multiple WRs, another RB, possibly a TE and looking at acquiring a new QB before the 2018 reg season kicks off. And I look at it like this. If management can't come to a consensus and get KC under contract long term before the season starts. Which I hope they can, but if not. They may as well look hard at offers from other teams far as trades go and/or shop KC to gauge interest. Cuz we can't franchise him next year at 34 mill per

i think people need to understand that FA isnt a panacea for all our issues . you might get a 40 to 50 % hit rate for the amount of needs we have . if we sign 10 guys , maybe 4 help and the others not so much this has been our history since the late 90's . if we are going to spend it needs to be on talented young guys no older the 28 who are entering their prime . (or close to it in age and prime )

 

[Stymietee]

Fair assessment, especially from one of the previous threads you made. Even drafting Doctson shows Scott was preparing ahead -- however, priority appears to be going to the offense. I'm not seeing anything going to defense, I'm almost sure #17 will be offense - which is cool. At some point, DLine has to be FIXED. you can get away with average stuff everywhere else but not there. Some of us are just casual fans, but our scalps are bleeding from

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

boy that djax cat and josh norman were sure bargain basement

how about you understand that you cant fix everything in one off season ?

we are going in the right direction just show an ounce of patience

giants did it on defense in 1 year

 

[Skin'EmAll]

giants did it on defense in 1 year

I get your frustration. Our division is getting better and we are not. We didn't re-sign Cousins.
We haven't fixed our defensive line, our record got worse, and we missed the playoffs.
That sounds like F.O. blunders BUT we are blaming the players

 

[skinsdad62]

giants did it on defense in 1 year

the giants were one and done i dont count the rare occasion of it happening well as the standard and something i count on

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

im more of doing things 50 percent scott m and 50 percent vinny cerato buy 1 or 2 bigtime free agents and draft like scott m .. this bargin bend needs to stop example after we sign kirk we need 1 top free agent dlineman 1 top safety free agent 1 second teir dline free agent (THATS 2 DLINEMAN) 1 starting safety(THATS 3 new STARTERS) then bargan shop if needed then draft bpa rds 1-3 then 4-7 draft for needs

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

the giants were one and done i dont count the rare occasion of it happening well as the standard and something i count on

The Giants either got lucky or did it right. The fact is as we all know this method does not work very often.

 

[duke1861]

boy that djax cat and josh norman were sure bargain basement

how about you understand that you cant fix everything in one off season ?

we are going in the right direction just show an ounce of patience

Skinsdad-

We have been saying this since the ESPN days. Every year we say "we can't fix everything in one off season".

We have literally been rebuilding for over 10 years now. We always wait until "next season" to address pressing needs and it has cost this team. You have to draw a line in the sand sometime.

One of my favorite quotes is : Someday is not a day of the week.

Our fan base loves to thump their chest and say build through the draft and you can't fix everything in one off season.

It reminds me of when the liberals say every election "the wealthy should pay their fair share". Its become our mantra...I swear.

I am not saying we need to hire back Vinny, but surely there is some middle ground somewhere.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad-

We have been saying this since the ESPN days. Every year we say "we can't fix everything in one off season".

We have literally been rebuilding for over 10 years now. We always wait until "next season" to address pressing needs and it has cost this team. You have to draw a line in the sand sometime.

One of my favorite quotes is : Someday is not a day of the week.

Our fan base loves to thump their chest and say build through the draft and you can't fix everything in one off season.

It reminds me of when the liberals say every election "the wealthy should pay their fair share". Its become our mantra...I swear.

I am not saying we need to hire back Vinny, but surely there is some middle ground somewhere.

and what have we done in the last 10 seasons duke ?

we have had 3 HC's all with new visions to move forward . we havent built through the draft in 8 of those years

in fact SM is the only guy who has targeted younger Fa's and has valued our draft picks and even started to build through the draft

our personnel for our team was old , slow and lacking talent when this group took over

they have put back to back winning seasons together for the 1st time since the late 90's

our history with free agents has been at best 50 / 50 no matter who has been in charge ,yet after a mere 2 full years you want to change course yet again and go after big name busts looking to make a contract

we need to have patience , we need to let our draft picks develop and we need stability

i think we have had some middle ground duke norman and jax were good adds davis was a good add but that is 3 out of about 15 or so that panned out for us even more if you go back at the beginning of the 10 years

there is a place for some free agents . we just need to let it play out some

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

stop bargain shoping be more aggressive in free agencie plus value draft picks ... vinny cerato did ok he just DID NOT VALUE DRAFT PICKS ... but the trick is getting players to come here is the key so you might have to pay more we are not the pats