My Take On Penn State

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

No....OOC games should not be used to determine a conference champion. Only the conference games should count when determining a conference champion. And when a team is unable to make it to the conference championship game, they watch the playoff's on tv or buy a ticket to the game(s).

The BCS just rendered the regular season and championship games to be nothing more than an exhibition and we are back to the eye test or a popularity contest.

I've said this before, but conferences should be limited to 12 teams and then they should play full round-robin schedules where they play all eleven other teams + one out of conference game. That would be the perfect scenario. Then there's no point for a CCG and the winner of conferences are true winners.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Not apples to apples and much more complicated for larger conferences. This isn't a simple concept and I don't have the energy to try and help you understand.

Actually the B12 is doing that you stupid fuck. Round robin schedule with the best two teams meeting in the CCG.

For larger conferences, have two protected in conference games and rotate the other games. Make sure it's a 9 game conference schedule and boom, there ya go.

 

[jonvi]

I've said this before, but conferences should be limited to 12 teams and then they should play full round-robin schedules where they play all eleven other teams + one out of conference game. That would be the perfect scenario. Then there's no point for a CCG and the winner of conferences are true winners.

I hear ya, but it appears the 16 team conference is here to stay. tOSU didn't even play last weekend and will still be in the playoff's because they were voted into it. We are right back to where we were a few years ago. What happened on the field doesn't matter.

There's many in the media and in coaching (all voters) that believe there is not a team that can compete with Bama this year. With that in mind, we should just vote Alabama the National Champions and move on to bball.

 

[Deep Creek]

That would be no. We are talking about functional and logical processes not goofy stupid shit like the Big 12 comes up with.

A logical person would deduce that it would be easier to decide on the best two teams to play in the Big 12 because all the teams have the exact common opponents throughout the conference schedule. The "goofy shit" will be a futile attempt to deide the best two in a conference where no two teams have the exact common opponents throughout the schedule.

The goofy shit for the Big 12 is even playing a CCG IMO. They've already settled it on the field. And that 13th data point don't always mean shit. Ohio State doesn't have one on their resume this year.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I hear ya, but it appears the 16 team conference is here to stay. tOSU didn't even play last weekend and will still be in the playoff's because they were voted into it. We are right back to where we were a few years ago. What happened on the field doesn't matter.

There's many in the media and in coaching (all voters) that believe there is not a team that can compete with Bama this year. With that in mind, we should just vote Alabama the National Champions and move on to bball.

I think the process we're in now could have some easy fixes applied like --- You must win a conference championship to qualify for the playoff. And you can't have more than 1 loss unless there are not enough 1 loss teams that qualify.

The other option is this -- simply taking the 4 highest ranked conference championship winners.

 

[Voltaire26]

1. I think the committee got the best 4 teams in so the system worked.
2. Penn State will be happier and more competitive in the Rose so it's not a bad deal for them.
3. What is broken is the system where conferences split into division as CCG's have proven rarely are the best 2 teams in and leagues are often unbalanced.

(1) It's time to do away with conference divisional play and just take the 2 best teams in the conference for the CCG.

(2) This year Michigan and Ohio State would have more than likely played again for the conference title but that would have been the right decision.

(1) I agree with most of what you said, but I am a division guy. The division create sub rivalries (a real rivalry involves hate (see Michigan/ohio state, Alabama/Auburn, Harvard/Yale, etc...).

(2) This year ohio state would have played Penn State.

 

[jonvi]

(1) I agree with most of what you said, but I am a division guy. The division create sub rivalries (a real rivalry involves hate (see Michigan/ohio state, Alabama/Auburn, Harvard/Yale, etc...).

(2) This year ohio state would have played Penn State.

tOSU lost to PSU this year.

 

[Voltaire26]

tOSU lost to PSU this year.

But they lost only one division game (as did Penn State). The OP said that Michigan should have played ohio state in the Conference Championship Game (if there were no divisions). Michigan lost two conference game and would not have been eligible.

 

[jonvi]

But they lost only one division game (as did Penn State). The OP said that Michigan should have played ohio state in the Conference Championship Game (if there were no divisions). Michigan lost two conference game and would not have been eligible.

Ahhh. Sorry for the misread.

 

[jonvi]

I think the process we're in now could have some easy fixes applied like --- You must win a conference championship to qualify for the playoff. And you can't have more than 1 loss unless there are not enough 1 loss teams that qualify.

The other option is this -- simply taking the 4 highest ranked conference championship winners.

I'm fine with the conference champions. I'm not fine with going back to the days of polls determining a playoff or NC.

This feels like the days when the media forced the SEC onto everyone. Today it's UM and tOSU. PSU proved on the field that on that day, they were better than either UM or tOSU.

UofL is prolly better than all three of them.

 

[Codaxx]

I hear ya, but it appears the 16 team conference is here to stay. tOSU didn't even play last weekend and will still be in the playoff's because they were voted into it. We are right back to where we were a few years ago. What happened on the field doesn't matter.

There's many in the media and in coaching (all voters) that believe there is not a team that can compete with Bama this year. With that in mind, we should just vote Alabama the National Champions and move on to bball.

That is why you need to go bigger. Get to 20 team conferences with 10 in each division. Only play divisional games.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm fine with the conference champions. I'm not fine with going back to the days of polls determining a playoff or NC.

This feels like the days when the media forced the SEC onto everyone. Today it's UM and tOSU. PSU proved on the field that on that day, they were better than either UM or tOSU.

UofL is prolly better than all three of them.

Still not willing to say PSU was better on the field. Michigan beat PSU 49-10. PSU was not a better team than Michigan, and that was proven on the field. I'd even argue that OSU was the better team, even though PSU won. PSU was statistically the worse team in almost every regard, and some decisively. It all came down to a lucky special teams play for PSU to win that game.

Louisville is good, but they're basically one player. Shut down the one player and they stop being good. Michigan's defense would keep them in any game against any team in the country this year. We were 4 points away from being undefeated.

The committee seems better than the BCS, mostly because they get to pick 4 teams, but you can't "let it be decided on the field" unless teams play each other equally.

 

[Milkshake]

I'm fine with the conference champions. I'm not fine with going back to the days of polls determining a playoff or NC.

This feels like the days when the media forced the SEC onto everyone. Today it's UM and tOSU. PSU proved on the field that on that day, they were better than either UM or tOSU.

UofL is prolly better than all three of them.

How did they prove they were better than UM? They were hammered by UM.

 

[jonvi]

That is why you need to go bigger. Get to 20 team conferences with 10 in each division. Only play divisional games.

I'm good with this.

 

[Milkshake]

Uneven cross-divisional schedules is the problem - whatever fixes that is the way to go.

 

[jonvi]

Still not willing to say PSU was better on the field. ..

I agree. I don't "think" PSU is better either. But geeze we have to accept the results IMO. Having the opportunity and then raising up to beat the big dog is what makes sports exciting. We've just ignored that aspect.

The committee seems better than the BCS, mostly because they get to pick 4 teams, but you can't "let it be decided on the field" unless teams play each other equally.

I can because that is the way the conferences are currently designed.

And I just through the UofL thing out there because there are some that think they have the pieces to make a run.

I think under the current conference designs that an 8 team playoff spot would help.

 

[jonvi]

How did they prove they were better than UM? They were hammered by UM.

Yep.....you're right.

 

[jonvi]

f'n @PIBuckeye

Really dude? Your boys lost and you've been gifted a playoff spot after not showing up for the b1g conference championship game.

Talk about hypocrisy....you should at the very least like the post cause you know you're team should be at the rose bowl and you're just happy to be alive and have the undeserved shot in the playoffs.

 

[PIBuckeye]

I hear ya, but it appears the 16 team conference is here to stay. tOSU didn't even play last weekend and will still be in the playoff's because they were voted into it. We are right back to where we were a few years ago. What happened on the field doesn't matter.

There's many in the media and in coaching (all voters) that believe there is not a team that can compete with Bama this year. With that in mind, we should just vote Alabama the National Champions and move on to bball.

if we are going to do that, my only stipulation would be to have the NCAA, FBI, CIA, etc. put bama under the strictest of microscopes and make sure no rules have been broken.

 

[starbigd]

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS SO HARD FOR SOME OF YOU.

If you don't win your division, YOU AREN'T THE BEST TEAM IN YOUR CONFERENCE. PERIOD.

OSU and Michigan on paper look great. They both BLEW THEIR CHANCES. That's THEIR FAULT.

The B1G got it right.....there is NOTHING wrong with the system. The issue is morons out here that want to reward their favorite programs that DID NOT EARN title shots on the field.