Monday Night Football: Buffalo Bills @ Seattle Seahawks

[TKOSpikes]

Did the refs blow the whistle? Did you hear a whistle?.

Again. Watch the game.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Unnecessary Roughness.

Question for you: did you think the Bobby Wagner hit on Tyrod Taylor on the last drive was "roughing the passer"? Just curious.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Again. Watch the game.

You didn't answer my question. Did you hear a whistle?

 

[SonnyCID]

As a minimum they will say it was unnecessary roughness.

We'll see. I keep hearing that but nobody can point to where in the rule that would be the case.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Question for you: did you think the Bobby Wagner hit on Tyrod Taylor on the last drive was "roughing the passer"? Just curious.

Yes.

I also thought Wilson was thrown down (by Alexander I think) and it was NOT called. If that's Brady, it's a penalty every time.

And we got nothing on Cam fans.

 

[TKOSpikes]

You didn't answer my question. Did you hear a whistle?

Yes

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Yes.

I also thought Wilson was thrown down (by Alexander I think) and it was NOT called. If that's Brady, it's a penalty every time.

And we got nothing on Cam fans.

OK, I really didn't think Bobby hit him late or anything. He just landed on him. I thought that one was ticky tacky for sure.

 

[TKOSpikes]

You didn't answer my question. Did you hear a whistle?

You didn't answer my question.

Do you think "I didn't hear it", is an acceptable defense? And do you think it would not get out of hand if that was allowed?

 

[TKOSpikes]

OK, I really didn't think Bobby hit him late or anything. He just landed on him. I thought that one was ticky tacky for sure.

Look. I hate the penalty, but if it's a penalty, then they were penalties, even though only one was a penalty.

Clear as mud?

 

[dkmightyhammer]

On an offside play a QB will often go deep (think Rodgers here) when he knows he has a free play right? If the play works the team will decline the penalty and take the play. If it doesn't then they accept the penalty and do the play again. That is why refs don't blow offsides dead all the time. They allow the offense the chance at a free play. Wouldn't the same logic apply here? Sherman was offside so the refs threw the flag and essentially allowed Buffalo a free play. If Carpenter would have got the kick off and scored the FG the Bills would have just declined the offside penalty wouldn't they? So Sherman had no option but to continue with the play and not allow them a free try knowing that he was offside. If he stopped then Carpenter could just kick the ball without any worry of missing since he'd get a do-over anyway. Sherman did exactly what any good defender ought to do in that situation. It wasn't dirty. He targeted the ball, not Carpenter.

 

[TKOSpikes]

On an offside play a QB will often go deep (think Rodgers here) when he knows he has a free play right? If the play works the team will decline the penalty and take the play. If it doesn't then they accept the penalty and do the play again. That is why refs don't blow offsides dead all the time. They allow the offense the chance at a free play. Wouldn't the same logic apply here? Sherman was offside so the refs threw the flag and essentially allowed Buffalo a free play. If Carpenter would have got the kick off and scored the FG the Bills would have just declined the offside penalty wouldn't they? So Sherman had no option but to continue with the play and not allow them a free try knowing that he was offside. If he stopped then Carpenter could just kick the ball without any worry of missing since he'd get a do-over anyway. Sherman did exactly what any good defender ought to do in that situation. It wasn't dirty. He targeted the ball, not Carpenter.

Okay. Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I'm getting frustrated by the excuses.

IT WAS NOT OFFSIDE. IT WAS UNABATED TO THE KICKER. PLAY DEAD. HE TOUCHED A PLAYER. PLAY DEAD AGAIN. HE TOUCHED THE BALL. PLAY DEAD AGAIN. HE RAN INTO THE KICKER (SHOULDER TO KNEE).

THAT IS UNNECESSARY ROUGHNESS

THAT IS NOT WHY BUFFALO LOST!!!!!!!


ANYTHING ELSE IS CONJECTURE AND DEFENDING YOUR GUY.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Okay. Sorry if I sound ignorant, but I'm getting frustrated by the excuses.

IT WAS NOT OFFSIDE. IT WAS UNABATED TO THE KICKER. PLAY DEAD. HE TOUCHED A PLAYER. PLAY DEAD AGAIN. HE TOUCHED THE BALL. PLAY DEAD AGAIN. HE RAN INTO THE KICKER (SHOULDER TO KNEE).

THAT IS UNNECESSARY ROUGHNESS

THAT IS NOT WHY BUFFALO LOST!!!!!!!


ANYTHING ELSE IS CONJECTURE AND DEFENDING YOUR GUY.

I'm just saying in that situation wouldn't any defender (regardless of the team) do the same thing when there is no whistle? If it was a QB about to throw the ball and the defender was offside wouldn't he still try to sack the QB if there was no whistle? Or is the expectation that the player should just allow a free play?

By the way, according to the official box score of the NFL they did call it defensive offsides. But then they also noted unabated to the kicker. So that is a bit confusing.

1-10-SEA 35 03) 2-D.Carpenter 53 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-6-C.Schmidt. PENALTY on SEA-25-R.Sherman, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 35 - No Play. Unabated to the kicker.

 

[TKOSpikes]

LMFAO!!! Read the NFL rules.

You should be laughing at yourself.

Do you understand the difference between unabated and offside?

 

[TKOSpikes]

I'm just saying in that situation wouldn't any defender (regardless of the team) do the same thing when there is no whistle? If it was a QB about to throw the ball and the defender was offside wouldn't he still try to sack the QB if there was no whistle? Or is the expectation that the player should just allow a free play?

By the way, according to the official box score of the NFL they did call it defensive offsides. But then they also not unabated to the kicker. So that is a bit confusing.

1-10-SEA 35 03) 2-D.Carpenter 53 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-6-C.Schmidt. PENALTY on SEA-25-R.Sherman, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 35 - No Play. Unabated to the kicker.

Yeah. We're discussing different things. Sherman went more into his knee than try fir the ball, but whatever, you're right. He kind of didwhat anyone would do.

My whole point is the refs. Not Sherman. Aside from the last play of the game, Sherman played well as usual (after they moved him away to Taylor's left that is)

 

[TKOSpikes]

I'm just saying in that situation wouldn't any defender (regardless of the team) do the same thing when there is no whistle? If it was a QB about to throw the ball and the defender was offside wouldn't he still try to sack the QB if there was no whistle? Or is the expectation that the player should just allow a free play?

By the way, according to the official box score of the NFL they did call it defensive offsides. But then they also noted unabated to the kicker. So that is a bit confusing.

1-10-SEA 35 03) 2-D.Carpenter 53 yard field goal is No Good, Short, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-6-C.Schmidt. PENALTY on SEA-25-R.Sherman, Defensive Offside, 5 yards, enforced at SEA 35 - No Play. Unabated to the kicker.

Unabated is a form of offside I believe would be that explanation.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

Unabated is a form of offside I believe would be that explanation.

I think you are right but I also think Unabated calls come with an instant whistle too. So that is the confusing part. They let the play continue until Sherman hit the ball and the kicker. They should have blown it dead right away.

 

[shopson67]

Question for you: did you think the Bobby Wagner hit on Tyrod Taylor on the last drive was "roughing the passer"? Just curious.

Absolutely. Ball was gone, pass rusher drove the QB into the ground.

 

[shopson67]

On an offside play a QB will often go deep (think Rodgers here) when he knows he has a free play right? If the play works the team will decline the penalty and take the play. If it doesn't then they accept the penalty and do the play again. That is why refs don't blow offsides dead all the time. They allow the offense the chance at a free play. Wouldn't the same logic apply here? Sherman was offside so the refs threw the flag and essentially allowed Buffalo a free play. If Carpenter would have got the kick off and scored the FG the Bills would have just declined the offside penalty wouldn't they? So Sherman had no option but to continue with the play and not allow them a free try knowing that he was offside. If he stopped then Carpenter could just kick the ball without any worry of missing since he'd get a do-over anyway. Sherman did exactly what any good defender ought to do in that situation. It wasn't dirty. He targeted the ball, not Carpenter.

What difference does it make if it was dirty or not? It was roughing the kicker. 15 yard penalty, and Carpenter allowed to be tended to by trainers without having to come out for a play.

What a shit show by the refs. Nice of Blandino to tell everyone that it should've been a penalty midway during the second half, like that helps anyone.

 

[chf]

Man. I'm not saying this is why Buffalo lost. Am I the only one not looking through biased glasses? Watch the game. Listen to the refs and Blandino.

It's like you would be dishonoring them or something by admitting what happened. LOL

Shermy is dirty. End of story.

Jordan Mills is why Buffalo lost.

You're burning a strawman, I've already said I'd be pissed with the end of half calls (the clock management by refs was more egregious however)

If you want to say Sherman is dirty, go nuts. But you don't get to make up your own facts. If there was a whistle, then post something that backs that up.

Sherman has the reputation of being a loud mouth. Never had the rep of being dirty.

 

[chf]

What difference does it make if it was dirty or not? It was roughing the kicker. 15 yard penalty, and Carpenter allowed to be tended to by trainers without having to come out for a play.

What a shit show by the refs. Nice of Blandino to tell everyone that it should've been a penalty midway during the second half, like that helps anyone.

Look on the bright side, at least no-one vaulted over the long-snapper...