Just going to call it now

[skinsdad62]

yeah KC is blowing his chance

 

[Sharkinva]

Feel like you're ignoring that those 5 recievers are as good a group of pass catchers any qb could hope for.

Not at all. But when you are telegraphing the pass, and the defense can sit back in a zone because they know you arent going to run it, what do you expect?? Dallas basically took Jackson out of the game, they double and triple covered Reed. With that good a group of pass catchers, you would think we could get i dont know... 100 yards rushing?? We are one sided on offense, which limits us no matter how awesome our pass catchers are.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I dont care how good your QB is, when you line up five wide three times from 3rd and goal, the defense is likely to win that one every time. We have a run game that aint worth runny dog shit, and a defense that couldnt stop my 102 year old grand mother from gaining 100 yards a game.

But you are right, Kirk sucks. We will likely need to draft a QB next year... and once again we will ignore the D-line and the ground game.

I am not necessarily stating that Cousins will suck the rest of the season. There are plenty of games left, and he could still redeem himself. I am just stating that he had a huge hand in today's loss. Ok - so you may be correct about the goal line for the offense (however - that can be fixed), but you can't state that & simply ignore the fact that he blew 2 sure TDs that would have won the game (and made those goal line situations meaningless).

Big games for Cousins coming up. I am fine if say the team loses to superior talent - that just means that you have to obtain more talent. However - I am not good w/ what happened today when basically the game was given to the Cowboys.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not at all. But when you are telegraphing the pass, and the defense can sit back in a zone because they know you arent going to run it, what do you expect?? Dallas basically took Jackson out of the game, they double and triple covered Reed. With that good a group of pass catchers, you would think we could get i dont know... 100 yards rushing?? We are one sided on offense, which limits us no matter how awesome our pass catchers are.

And yet if Cousins doesn't screw up they probably score @ 40 pts. If that is a one sided offense - fine - I will take a one sided offense that can perform in that matter. BTW - most RBs do not get 100 yds in just about all games in the NFL in this era. There were only 2 last week & one was against the Redskins sorry rush defense.

 

[Sharkinva]

And yet if Cousins doesn't screw up they probably score @ 40 pts. If that is a one sided offense - fine - I will take a one sided offense that can perform in that matter. BTW - most RBs do not get 100 yds in just about all games in the NFL in this era. There were only 2 last week & one was against the Redskins sorry rush defense.

When your defense is giving up 32.5 points a game.... how can you say its all the QBs fault?? Yes Kirk missed some throws, and he made some very poor throws... But seriously we are giving up 32+ points a game. So the ONLY way Kirk can meet expectations is to put up 40 points a game at this rate.


And maybe JOnes wont get 100 yards per game... but you might expect the team as a whole to put up more than 75 yards per game rushing.... just maybe.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fact: We have attempted three times as many passes as we have runs
Fact: a 3 to 1 Pass to Rush ratio will make damn near ANY QB look bad
Fact: We are losing the time of possession battle yet again
Fact: Once again we have one of the worst ground defenses in the league.


The only reason any one throws on a 3 to 1 ratio is because they have no ground game.

 

[skinsdad62]

all the more reason that KC has to make those plays

 

[Breed]

Did you see the clip where Fox showed that over the recent past the Redskins basically either win the division or finish in last in the division? Unfortunately - they may be heading in this direction this season. Very, very hard to root for a team that yo yos in that fashion. Frustration doesn't even begin to describe it.

Heh. Nah, I didn't see the clip, but I have lived with the yo yo-ing. Personally I thought and still think the 2005 team was the most legit contender of the contending teams in recent years. In car talk that team just needed a couple things. A thorough tune-up and some new meats. Another RB to help keep Portis fresh late in the year (weird how when Gibbs had both Portis and Betts healthy he still ran CP into the ground and he never used Portis/Betts as a combo) An effective #2 WR, get a legit MLB (should've never let Pierce go, that pissed me off big time) and move Lamar Marshall back to WLB as he was too small at 230 lb to play MLB., cut John Hall's ass and get a real FG kicker. And just stay the course after that. Instead the Skins or Gibbs went, I dunno, crazy? C Cut or let walk Ryan Clark and Walt Harris, 2 asinine moves and compounded the ass in asinine by signing Archuleta, Mike Rumph and Kenny Collins. Sigh this shit just pisses me off all over again.

 

[ehb5]

Not at all. But when you are telegraphing the pass, and the defense can sit back in a zone because they know you arent going to run it, what do you expect?? Dallas basically took Jackson out of the game, they double and triple covered Reed. With that good a group of pass catchers, you would think we could get i dont know... 100 yards rushing?? We are one sided on offense, which limits us no matter how awesome our pass catchers are.

Tbh we don't really know all that much about the run game because we run so infrequently. That may be because jones sucks but I don't think he was bad today. Regardless I think implying this team holds back cousins when cousins is working with an elite group of recievers is a bit ridiculous.

 

[Sharkinva]

Tbh we don't really know all that much about the run game because we run so infrequently. That may be because jones sucks but I don't think he was bad today. Regardless I think implying this team holds back cousins when cousins is working with an elite group of recievers is a bit ridiculous.

32.5 points per game... Cousins doesnt play defense.

Saying Cousins is the reason we are 0-2 when we are giving up 30 plus points a game is Forest Gump level special.

 

[skinsdad62]

reports are players are grumbling about KC and his play according to NBC

 

[deanpet21]

Fact: We have attempted three times as many passes as we have runs
Fact: a 3 to 1 Pass to Rush ratio will make damn near ANY QB look bad
Fact: We are losing the time of possession battle yet again
Fact: Once again we have one of the worst ground defenses in the league.


The only reason any one throws on a 3 to 1 ratio is because they have no ground game.

Plus we were trialing in both games.

 

[ehb5]

32.5 points per game... Cousins doesnt play defense.

Saying Cousins is the reason we are 0-2 when we are giving up 30 plus points a game is Forest Gump level special.

Did I say that? Nope.

Did anybody say that? I doubt it.

But hes not helping. And acting like he's fine and it's the rest of the team holding him back is a uhhh strange argument to make. There's a lot of problems right now. Anyone being objective can see that unfortunately cousins has been part of that.

 

[Sharkinva]

Did I say that? Nope.

Did anybody say that? I doubt it.

But hes not helping. And acting like he's fine and it's the rest of the team holding him back is a uhhh strange argument to make. There's a lot of problems right now. Anyone being objective can see that unfortunately cousins has been part of that.

And IM not saying Cousins is not at fault here. But lets face it, if the Sea Hawks were giving up 30+ points a game, would Russell Wilson be considered a franchise QB?? Cousins is what he is, a 2nd tier QB that DOES need a ground game, and a little help from his defense. For as average as he played today, had we not let Dak Prescott and Cole Beasly treat us like they were Aikeman and Irvin, we likely dont lose that game.

But as I said in another thread, I hope at this point they bench him, put in McCoy and lets see if the defense still gives up 30 points a game.... does everyone still say well we lost because of the QB.

 

[ehb5]

And IM not saying Cousins is not at fault here. But lets face it, if the Sea Hawks were giving up 30+ points a game, would Russell Wilson be considered a franchise QB?? Cousins is what he is, a 2nd tier QB that DOES need a ground game, and a little help from his defense. For as average as he played today, had we not let Dak Prescott and Cole Beasly treat us like they were Aikeman and Irvin, we likely dont lose that game.

But as I said in another thread, I hope at this point they bench him, put in McCoy and lets see if the defense still gives up 30 points a game.... does everyone still say well we lost because of the QB.

The only reason the qb talk would change with mccoy is because people would expect less from him. If mccoy is our qb we KNOW we need a new one. If Cousins is our qb we have hope that we don't need a new one. But either way if colt had played like kirk has you bet your ass I'd blame him. It's just that I wouldn't be surprised by it.

Like I said at the end of the day - there's lots of problems through 2 games. We dont/can't run the ball, Cousins has sucked, we can't stop the run and apparently can't cover outside of Norman. All this can change (well except the run d lol) but as of right now all those things/people deserve blame.

 

[Sharkinva]

The only reason the qb talk would change with mccoy is because people would expect less from him. If mccoy is our qb we KNOW we need a new one. If Cousins is our qb we have hope that we don't need a new one. But either way if colt had played like kirk has you bet your ass I'd blame him. It's just that I wouldn't be surprised by it.

Like I said at the end of the day - there's lots of problems through 2 games. We dont/can't run the ball, Cousins has sucked, we can't stop the run and apparently can't cover outside of Norman. All this can change (well except the run d lol) but as of right now all those things/people deserve blame.

Cousins has passed for just shy of 350 yards a game over the last two with a 65% completion ratio. Top ten no, Sucked... debatable.

Again... 32.5 points per game will tend to make people look for the easy target. Does Cousins need to do better?? Sure. But on the grand scale of why we are 0-2, I would rank it

1. Defense
2. Play calling/Coaching
3. Less than 70 yards per game rushing
4. Kirk

 

[ehb5]

Cousins has passed for just shy of 350 yards a game over the last two with a 65% completion ratio. Top ten no, Sucked... debatable.

Again... 32.5 points per game will tend to make people look for the easy target. Does Cousins need to do better?? Sure. But on the grand scale of why we are 0-2, I would rank it

1. Defense
2. Play calling/Coaching
3. Less than 70 yards per game rushing
4. Kirk

You don't get to complain about cousins throwing too much and then turn around and use high pass yardage totals as a defense for him.

That said yea idk what's most important to these outcomes it doesn't really matter. Right now they all need to be better. And I will say I think some of the reason cousins seems to be getting blamed is we expected better from him. The run defense we knew would suck that's just what it is. But with cousins there's hope he can play to where we win these games.

 

[Sharkinva]

You don't get to complain about cousins throwing too much and then turn around and use high pass yardage totals as a defense for him.

That said yea idk what's most important to these outcomes it doesn't really matter. Right now they all need to be better. And I will say I think some of the reason cousins seems to be getting blamed is we expected better from him. The run defense we knew would suck that's just what it is. But with cousins there's hope he can play to where we win these games.

Why not?? Just because we have thrown it a ton does not take away from the fact that he has completed slightly better than 65% of the passes he has thrown. We have a fucked up game plan that more often than not would set most QBs up to fail. A 75% pass ratio almost NEVER wins, and does set a QB up to be the goat of the game. In fact, the pick on 3rd and goal should have never been a called pass play with 5 wide..... ever. Yes Kirk is to blame for not seeing the ILB when he threw the ball. But if we had even the slightest confidence in our run game, at worst we come out of that leading by 6. Meaning IF Dallas scored, we need a field goal and not a TD to win the game.

Piss poor coaching and game management, but all most see is Kirk threw another INT.

 

[ehb5]

Why not?? Just because we have thrown it a ton does not take away from the fact that he has completed slightly better than 65% of the passes he has thrown. We have a fucked up game plan that more often than not would set most QBs up to fail. A 75% pass ratio almost NEVER wins, and does set a QB up to be the goat of the game. In fact, the pick on 3rd and goal should have never been a called pass play with 5 wide..... ever. Yes Kirk is to blame for not seeing the ILB when he threw the ball. But if we had even the slightest confidence in our run game, at worst we come out of that leading by 6. Meaning IF Dallas scored, we need a field goal and not a TD to win the game.

Piss poor coaching and game management, but all most see is Kirk threw another INT.

Sure but he completes a lot of quick underneath route. His completion percentage doesn't mean he's been accurate or played well.

Yet I'm criticizing across the board and here we are only arguing about cousins.

 

[Sharkinva]

Sure but he completes a lot of quick underneath route. His completion percentage doesn't mean he's been accurate or played well.

Yet I'm criticizing across the board and here we are only arguing about cousins.

Dude... I havent seen a single poster agree that the reason we LOST was because we are giving up 32 points a game.

I have seen, yea but if Kirk had hit more plays we would have won. So to me... 80% of the blame is being laid on Cousins, 10% on the Coaching, 5% on the defense...and 5% apparently on the tooth fairy.