The Walking Dead

[calsnowskier]

I meant Duane

???

That would be a hell of a twist, but it might put Morgan at ease. But it is very unlikely. His zombified body is roaming somewhere in Georgia.

 

[WizardHawk]

Given their fake out of Glen's death already once, I immediately thought this was another one of those types of scenes. His words saying he will be alright to me seemed like they wanted us to question it both ways until next week and so far that is exactly what happened up here so it worked.

I would be shocked to find he is actually dead.

As if anyone watching this far wouldn't already be jazzed for the finale already, this for sure makes people have to tune in and watch it.

 

[jakedog56]

It was not Rosita. I watched the scene multiple times, and it was definitely Dwights gun that was fired, and he was aiming at Darryl.

It was also completely impossible for Glenn to escape the way he did, but yet he is still around. Just because they made it appear that way does not mean that is what will actually happen.

 

[chf]

It was also completely impossible for Glenn to escape the way he did, but yet he is still around. Just because they made it appear that way does not mean that is what will actually happen.

Actually they were really careful to shoot the penultimate Glenn dumpster scene from enough on an angle that you couldn't see what was actually happening, which led people to assume.

Exactly the same way with this Daryll shooting scene, the angle was off. Which of course makes the blood splatter on the camera lens a physical impossibility, but what are you gonna' do?

 

[lilchi721]

Spoiler: sneak peek scene of Last Day on Earth

 

[Chef99]

I am surprised no one mentioned the possibility that it was Rosita who was shot. She was standing next to Darryl and could have easily been targeted in that scenerio by either one of the bad guys.

Chef will have a fit if it was Rosita though!

I know it's coming sooner or later, but I'm wondering how much differently it will play out. I think they're gonna feature her as the resident 'hottie' for awhile.

I might add, she has been looking increasingly voluptuous since the blockhead dropped her.

 

[gkekoa]

I know it's coming sooner or later, but I'm wondering how much differently it will play out. I think they're gonna feature her as the resident 'hottie' for awhile.

I might add, she has been looking increasingly voluptuous since the blockhead dropped her.

Absolutely glowing.

 

[Chef99]

I really enjoyed this episode. I even liked the exchange and mutual respect between Morgan and Rick, although I agree with the consensus here that Denise would've most likely been out of harm's way to begin with. That was my first thought while listening to Morgan's little speech. Really liked the bit about the granola bar.

Anyway...looks like the group to choose from is Glenn, Michonne, Rosita and Daryl so far. Add Rick and Abe next week to round it out?
Doesn't look like Maggie will be joining the circle, which is a bit surprising...and where does Morgan fit in?

 

[calsnowskier]

I really enjoyed this episode. I even liked the exchange and mutual respect between Morgan and Rick, although I agree with the consensus here that Denise would've most likely been out of harm's way to begin with. That was my first thought while listening to Morgan's little speech. Really liked the bit about the granola bar.

Anyway...looks like the group to choose from is Glenn, Michonne, Rosita and Daryl so far. Add Rick and Abe next week to round it out?
Doesn't look like Maggie will be joining the circle, which is a bit surprising...and where does Morgan fit in?

I agree that that episode began to turn me back onto Morgan. The logic of his argument isnt sound, but he also acknowledges that his stance is not "right". It is just the stance that allows him to sleep at night.

If he had killed the Wolf when he first encountered him, how many Alexandrians would still be alive? But would the Alexandrians then be so fully behind Rick and the rest of the Survivors if the Wolves had not attacked?

If he had killed the Wolf instead of taking him captive, Denise never would have been in trouble to begin with. But she also would not have been in the right spot to be able to help Carl.

Just surviving is not enough. They need to be able to live and thrive. In Morgans opinion, that includes forgiving and reforming. Imprisoning the Wolf and attempting to reform him (outside of the importance of that action in future seasons) is important for society. And remember, this is what Eastman did for Morgan. Eastman should have killed Morgan, but he didnt.

 

[gkekoa]

I really enjoyed this episode. I even liked the exchange and mutual respect between Morgan and Rick, although I agree with the consensus here that Denise would've most likely been out of harm's way to begin with. That was my first thought while listening to Morgan's little speech. Really liked the bit about the granola bar.

Anyway...looks like the group to choose from is Glenn, Michonne, Rosita and Daryl so far. Add Rick and Abe next week to round it out?
Doesn't look like Maggie will be joining the circle, which is a bit surprising...and where does Morgan fit in?

Looked like Morgan's body in the road to me or at least his clothes.

 

[gkekoa]

I agree that that episode began to turn my back onto Morgan. The logic of his argument isnt sound, but he also acknowledges that his stance is not "right". It is just the stance that allows him to sleep at night.

If he had killed the Wolf when he first encountered him, how many Alexandrians would still be alive? But would the Alexandrians then be so fully behind Rick and the rest of the Survivors if the Wolves had not attacked?

If he had killed the Wolf instead of taking him captive, Denise never would have been in trouble to begin with. But she also would not have been in the right spot to be able to help Carl.

Just surviving is not enough. They need to be able to live and thrive. In Morgans opinion, that includes forgiving and reforming. Imprisoning the Wolf and attempting to reform him (outside of the importance of that action in future seasons) is important for society. And remember, this is what Eastman did for Morgan. Eastman should have killed Morgan, but he didnt.

Denise would have been exactly where she was to help Carl because that is where she always is...the infirmary.

Eastman could try to reform one man because he wasn't putting anybody else at risk. You can't do that in a community. Also...not everybody is capable of being reformed.

 

[chf]

Just surviving is not enough. They need to be able to live and thrive. In Morgans opinion, that includes forgiving and reforming. Imprisoning the Wolf and attempting to reform him (outside of the importance of that action in future seasons) is important for society. And remember, this is what Eastman did for Morgan. Eastman should have killed Morgan, but he didnt.

To me that's the larger point. If they stop worrying about what they're becoming, then they've lost, and they ARE the same as those other groups. Only by wrestling with what's 'right' or not, do they have a chance of advancing/surviving/thriving as a group.

I think Morgan's philosophy isn't a be all and end all - obviously they're going to have to take life in order to survive, but the end goal (all life is precious) has to be there for them to remain human and rebuild anything that's going to last.

I watched something a couple of years back on cannibalism, and it pointed out that almost always, the only places where cannibalism exists is where there's an endemic shortage of protein (usually due to environmental shifts). With only a few exceptions, when the environmental conditions shift back, the rules AGAINST cannibalism come back.

Why? Because cannibalism is a horrible long term survival strategy.

 

[chf]

You can't do that in a community.

That's exactly what communities do. Shunning, shaming, incarceration, pretty much all civilizations have a method of reforming members that screw up.

 

[calsnowskier]

That's exactly what communities do. Shunning, shaming, incarceration, pretty much all civilizations have a method of reforming members that screw up.

If Morgan had done it on the up-and-up, than sure. But he kept the Wolf alive while keeping it quiet from everyone else. If Rick and the other community leaders knew, they would have handled it better (kept better guard, built a better makeshift cell, whatever).

Eastman could do what he did because he was not in a community. If he fucked up, it was his hide. If Rick fucks up, dozens of people die.

Ultimately, differnces of opinion are good and makes a community stronger. But hiding those opinions and acting counter to the overall strategy of said community will undermine everything.

 

[gkekoa]

Simply put...the evidence in this case proves Morgan's approach wrong. If he had killed the wolf originally, many people would still be alive...many good people.

 

[calsnowskier]

Simply put...the evidence in this case proves Morgan's approach wrong. If he had killed the wolf originally, many people would still be alive...many good people.

No.

His keeping it from Rick and Co. was wrong. Keeping him alive was not necessarily wrong.

building the prison is a big step in becoming a more civilized society.

 

[chf]

If Morgan had done it on the up-and-up, than sure. But he kept the Wolf alive while keeping it quiet from everyone else. If Rick and the other community leaders knew, they would have handled it better (kept better guard, built a better makeshift cell, whatever).

Eastman could do what he did because he was not in a community. If he fucked up, it was his hide. If Rick fucks up, dozens of people die.

Ultimately, differnces of opinion are good and makes a community stronger. But hiding those opinions and acting counter to the overall strategy of said community will undermine everything.

Sure, and I don't disagree. I think the convo between Rick and Morgan touched on that, that he'd not handled it well.

But at that point in time, Morgan couldn't really do it on the up and up. They'd have just shot him (and maybe rightfully so!) But they've played out that story over and over again. Carol keeping secrets, Rick keeping secrets, hell all the way back to season 1 to Shane keeping secrets. People with their own agenda thinking they know best what will benefit the larger group, or else people working at cross purposes with the group. My take on Morgan is he belongs in the former group.

In a way, that's the burden of leadership, making decisions that are unpopular, because they have the end goal in mind.

I haven't read up to Neegan in the books, so I'm curious as to what the leadership structure of that group is.

 

[Chef99]

The leadership structure of Negan's group: My way or the highway.

 

[Nosferatu]

I don't understand, Morgan said if he did kill that Wolf he wouldn't have been alive to save Denise who then wouldn't have been alive to save Carl, which is stupid because if he had killed the Wolf, Denise wouldn't have been outside the wall and would have been safe to save Carl, did I miss something there?

 

[calsnowskier]

The leadership structure of Negan's group: My way or the highway.

IIRC, there are only about 4 or 5 actual named members, and the structure, past Negan, is only, at best, hinted at. I fully suspect that be more fully fleshed out on the show, though.