CBS DC (via Ian Rappoport): Redskins Not Ruling Out Trading Kirk Cousins

[j_y19]

jy KC probably turned down a Dalton or Tannehill like deal b/c he thinks he has SM over a barrel. KC wants to force the franchise tag so he gets 20m up front. Sm should call his bluff and put the transition tag on him.

Sorry, don't see KC as the vindictive greedy type. He is fully aware his success is tied to the talent around him. He wants to be treated fairly and with respect. He will get both. Also, his agent and SM are long time buds. They are going to work this out. He may get the tag initially, but a deal will be struck before the deadline.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree with you but you know the KC team is pushing the envelope b/c they think they have leverage on there side. Is 20m franchise tag fair for KC? No that is an overpay.

 

[skinsdad62]

since the board is in full panic mode and i cant fight the urge to stir the pot

lets say cleveland decides they will sign KC for 100 mil with 55 guaranteed , do you match that ?

 

[deanpet21]

oh cmon skinsdad.

 

[skinsdad62]

dean ,

oh cmon skinsdad.

it is the browns the team that picked manzel and 100 mil is 20 mil a year so it goes to the guaranteed money

 

[deanpet21]

The Browns are picking a qb @2

 

[Breed]

There is no way to guarantee that. As I said there are teams in need of a QB who COULD afford to pay his asking price and not break a sweat. We either have to Non Exclusive rights tag him, sign him long term, or i honestly think we lose him.

Yep. All it takes in one team to offer something outrageous or just a tad over where the Skins draw their line in the sand.

 

[Breed]

I doubt that. What KC wants is long term security and a fair contract. My guess is they are using Andy dalton's deal as marker, with cap increases for adjustments. His best chance of long term success is right here. He is in an offense suited to him. He has a coaching staff that believes in him, and a fan base that mostly adores him. I bet that the sticking point isn't even money, but the deal length and the guaranteed portion.

Cuz is a good guy, hell, a great guy even, but I'm guessing the right dollar amount would knock all that shit straight out the box. Particularly when you think that KC's skill-set lines up with an NFL philosophy, getting the ball out quickly, that prevails in the NFL at present.

 

[Sportster 72]

How much you think Scot is paying in airfare to fly all these banners around. Trading Cousins is possible ..... at least two teams interested in Griffin.

 

[Sharkinva]

The Browns are picking a qb @2

IF you could pick a QB at #2, or sign a viable QB in FA and use that Number two on Joey Bosa... which would you do??

The top QB in this draft is STILL a rookie. You might get Luck or you might get David Carr.

Cousins at minimum has a known quantity factor.

 

[redskinsfan]

If contract talks fail, we put the franchise tag on KC, not the transition tag. The non-exclusive franchise tag is not that much more than the transition tag and if we simply limit ourselves to the latter, we basically lose any control we have over future contract talks. As dad said, suppose someone did offer him a huge deal when he's only on a transition tag? We get ZIP. While we could still lose KC under a non-exclusive tag, we'd get two first rounders. As much as that is theoretically possible, the prospect of a team offering all that jack and two first rounders will probably be enough for any team to take a pass on Cuz. In view of all this, we need to use the franchise tag on Cuz, not the transition one.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[gkekoa]

Would I trade KC and keep RG3 if you could guarantee RG3 would get back to where his career was headed in year1 and take those 2 firsts for KC? Absolutely.

Do I believe RG3 will ever be anything in the NFL? Nope.

Would I cheer for RG3 if we made the trade for KC? Of course...skins first.

Do I believe for a second that we are contemplating keeping RG3 or trading KC? Not in the least.

 

[deanpet21]

I just cant see a team in FA that would pay KC 20m annually. That is why I am in favor of the transition tag b/c SM will get a cheaper price for KC. We will match any offer from a team in FA. IF a guy like Russell Wilson hit FA then yes I would agree with you guys but I just cant see KC having a huge market in FA.

Plus what about Brock Osweiler. What if he hits the FA market. Is he worth 20M per season? NO. Is Denver going to use the franchise tag on him? I think he will get the transition tag also.

 

[redskinsfan]

I just cant see a team in FA that would pay KC 20m annually. That is why I am in favor of the transition tag b/c SM will get a cheaper price for KC. We will match any offer from a team in FA. IF a guy like Russell Wilson hit FA then yes I would agree with you guys but I just cant see KC having a huge market in FA.

Plus what about Brock Osweiler. What if he hits the FA market. Is he worth 20M per season? NO. Is Denver going to use the franchise tag on him? I think he will get the transition tag also.

You're assuming that teams will think and/or act rationally. In a QB starved league, teams that see a QB who set franchise records in his first year as a starter, threw for more than 2,700 and 23 TD, 3 INT in his last 10 games, and went 7-3 during that stretch will offer more than money if they could to land Cousins. That's why the (non-exclusive) franchise tag is so important: it provides us security in case Cuz does walk. And that security is probably the tipping point as to why teams won't decide to pry him away.

 

[deanpet21]

how much do you think Brock will get redskinsfan?

 

[redskinsfan]

how much do you think Brock will get redskinsfan?

I don't know. Nor do I care. I'm worried about keeping our guy. Putting the transition tag on him ratchets up the risk of losing him. For a little bit more, we buy a ton more security. So, outside of a long-term deal before March 1, the franchise tag seems to be what's appropriate. The only way I can buy into the transition tag is if there's been some assessment that it's certain no one is going to act as an irrational market participant. Otherwise, using the transition tag is like barebacking for Charlie Sheen.

 

[Sharkinva]

how much do you think Brock will get redskinsfan?

Brock played what 8 games. Went 55/45 in wins losses and passed for under 2000 yards. The Broncos benched him in favor of Manning because they knew he wasnt ready to get them to the Super Bowl. SO no the Bronco's dont franchise him. He might get resigned to a $12 million a year deal which will really come down to about $9 million a year if he doesnt perform well. But if you think some one ISNT willing to outbid us for Kirk if we give him the transition tag, you obviously have not been watching the NFL over the past few years.

The question shouldnt be, is Kirk worth $20 million. It should be, how many teams would have been much better with him under center. If you can name three, then the transition tag should NOT be an option.

 

[Sharkinva]

For those screaming transition tag because no one will outbid us... Are you really willing to risk it over $2.5 million in cap space?? Mind you we pissed away 5 times that last year in Griffin and Roberts alone. Figure in the 5-7 seven other guys we paid who did diddly fucksquat for us, and we shit more than that $2.5 million on guys who did nothing for us. But some would have us quibble over a few million and possibly face going into the season with NO Cousins, No realistic QB plan, and in no position to draft a day one starter at the position.

Fucking brilliant!!!!!

 

[redskinsfan]

Brock played what 8 games. Went 55/45 in wins losses and passed for under 2000 yards. The Broncos benched him in favor of Manning because they knew he wasnt ready to get them to the Super Bowl. SO no the Bronco's dont franchise him. He might get resigned to a $12 million a year deal which will really come down to about $9 million a year if he doesnt perform well. But if you think some one ISNT willing to outbid us for Kirk if we give him the transition tag, you obviously have not been watching the NFL over the past few years.

The question shouldnt be, is Kirk worth $20 million. It should be, how many teams would have been much better with him under center. If you can name three, then the transition tag should NOT be an option.

We have to understand that Kirk is going to get overpaid. Why? He (somewhat like Joe Flacco) blew up in a contract year. Kirk also knows we've got no backup plan. Outside of winning all the marbles like Flacco did, he's got all the leverage in the world. If we balk, we've got to either float the franchise tag this year or pay him something approaching what Wilson got. Is that more than he's worth? Sure. But we've got nearly zero choice here.