Junior Gallette wants to come back on a one-year prove-it deal for $7M to $9M.

[gkekoa]

IM going to ask three questions.

1. Would you or any one you know pick oranges for $15 a day for a ten hour shift??


2. Do you honestly think statistics can not and are not being manipulated? Because even if Blacks committed crimes at a higher rate, the fact that we only make up 17% of the population does not explain the disparity in prison population rates unless you seriously believe that we are predisposed to be criminals.

3. How in the FUCK can you say the Native Americans had no right to the land that they had been on for hundreds if not thousands of years before it was stolen from them?? Thats like saying, well unless you filed paper work for something YOU actually built, I can just come in and claim it as my own, because you didnt file the paper work. You realize how privileged majority entitlement mentality that sounds right??



Bonus nugget.... If I didnt actually mean to say my house is open to all, I would not put a sign out that says my house is open to all no matter WHO gave me the sign as a gift.

1- nope...and if nobody was willing, it would drive up the pay.

2- blacks make up 13% of the population. So you believe that a majority of the blacks in prison today did not commit the crime they are in prison for?

3- it wasn't stolen. It was taken in war or purchased. Can you actually have a claim to the land you were not on? Can you have a claim to the land if you are not a sovereign nation? This was also in a time when the world was in expansionism mode. Indians are no more native to this country than we are. They crossed the land bridge and killed the dominant species before them.


Bonus nugget...there is a right way to enter this country and everybody knows it. We are a nation of laws so why do you think laws shouldn't apply to invaders?

 

[Breed]

Recently we have had a defense people looked forward to playing.

Baby steps. No one fears Gallette, and I doubt any one actually fears Kerrigan either.

But first you got to get to the level of where your defense is actually respectable. I think this would be a step in that direction.

Lets get solid and respectable for now, worry about feared down the road.

I'll co-sign everything said above.

And a question for you Shark? Are you black?

 

[Breed]

1- nope...and if nobody was willing, it would drive up the pay.

Somebody will always be willing because making a $1.50 an hour working 10 hour shifts. Is an upgrade to the present circumstances they are in or leaving to escape..

2- blacks make up 13% of the population. So you believe that a majority of the blacks in prison today did not commit the crime they are in prison for?

I'd say the majority of any ethnic group one mentions has indeed committed the crimes for which they are in prison for. But stats show that blacks receive more prison time than whites when both are committing the same crimes. As well as certain police tactics such as stop n frisk and what has become known as DWB or driving while black. Are specifically and purposely being used by police forces nationwide to target and/or single out blacks and in particular, young black males blacks. While stats once again show that the percentage of whites and blacks that get high are basically the same. Most amazing or comical, but in a sad way. Is how drugs from foreign countries always seem to find their way into the darkest and poorest of neighborhoods time after time after time and the police are damn near powerless to stop it.

3- it wasn't stolen. It was taken in war or purchased. Can you actually have a claim to the land you were not on? Can you have a claim to the land if you are not a sovereign nation? This was also in a time when the world was in expansionism mode. Indians are no more native to this country than we are. They crossed the land bridge and killed the dominant species before them.

What dominant species was here before the American Indian? By the way you posed the question was this supposed dominant species human? As both history and science concur with one another and have done so for quite some time. That the American Indian or what would become known as the American Indian. Were indeed the first human beings to arrive at, be born in, and live here for centuries in what is now called America. Or put another way, The American Indian is called and is now known as Native Americans for valid and proper reasons. They were the first human beings to be born in, live, and die in America.

 

[j_y19]

Wow. It's always interesting to see how and when a thread veers off the tracks. This one took a sharp turn.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I was talking when he averaged 11 sacks over a two year span. That doesn't make him a game changer. Teams don't and never did fear him. He isn't the kind of guy you have to give help to stop. That being said, I don't mind signing him, but only at the right price.

Kerrigan has averaged less than 10 sacks a year for 5 seasons and he got a huge deal. Not one fan complained, felt he was worth every penny. Now you have a guy with similar numbers his last 2 years and he is asking for a fraction of that figure.

 

[j_y19]

Kerrigan has averaged less than 10 sacks a year for 5 seasons and he got a huge deal. Not one fan complained, felt he was worth every penny. Now you have a guy with similar numbers his last 2 years and he is asking for a fraction of that figure.

First, Kerrigan was home grown and produces more than just sacks. He plays the run very well and he produces turnovers. Second, he doesn't have the baggage or injury questions that Gallette does.

 

[Sharkinva]

I'll co-sign everything said above.

And a question for you Shark? Are you black?

Yea, im black.

 

[gkekoa]

Somebody will always be willing because making a $1.50 an hour working 10 hour shifts. Is an upgrade to the present circumstances they are in or leaving to escape..



I'd say the majority of any ethnic group one mentions has indeed committed the crimes for which they are in prison for. But stats show that blacks receive more prison time than whites when both are committing the same crimes. As well as certain police tactics such as stop n frisk and what has become known as DWB or driving while black. Are specifically and purposely being used by police forces nationwide to target and/or single out blacks and in particular, young black males blacks. While stats once again show that the percentage of whites and blacks that get high are basically the same. Most amazing or comical, but in a sad way. Is how drugs from foreign countries always seem to find their way into the darkest and poorest of neighborhoods time after time after time and the police are damn near powerless to stop it.



What dominant species was here before the American Indian? By the way you posed the question was this supposed dominant species human? As both history and science concur with one another and have done so for quite some time. That the American Indian or what would become known as the American Indian. Were indeed the first human beings to arrive at, be born in, and live here for centuries in what is now called America. Or put another way, The American Indian is called and is now known as Native Americans for valid and proper reasons. They were the first human beings to be born in, live, and die in America.

Americans would not work for $1.50. That is my point about allowing ILLEGALS to run wild. They are escaping worse and that is why I do not blame them. You protect Americans and you do that by not allowing ILLEGALS to saturate the workforce. It is very basic economics.

I know the statistics but question their validity. I now they do not take into account if the offender was a repeat offender. I don't know if they actually break down the sentences by crime because usually a criminal is not just charged with one crime. I am all for standardized sentences just so bias can be avoided.

Stop and frisk is a ridiculous and unConstitutional. It is not limited to stopping blacks even if that is how it is used more often. It is interesting to look at the crime statistics for NYC when stop and frisk was in place and compare them to now. Even with that, I am against the policy.

As for the drug crimes, you still have to get caught to be charged. If you want to see if there is unfair treatment, see what percentages of whites and blacks are caught but released. As for why they find their way to the poorest and darkest areas, it is all about demand.

Who Were The First Americans?
The American Indian was not the first according to the most recent history.

There are two definitions to the word native.
1- a person born in a specified place...we are as native as they are.

2- indigenous in origin or growth...they are as not native as we are.

 

[chillerdab]

Americans would not work for $1.50 an hour, but would work for $4.00 slinging "burgers?" Ridiculous assertion, as is the idea of "not allowing 'illegals' to saturate the workforce." Are you for less government, or more? I mean, you state that the reason that companies employ "ILLEGALS' is "because the federal government isn't doing their job."

If they WERE doing "their job," as defined by you, wouldn't that grow the government - i.e. increase your taxes?

Also, if "stop and frisk" is used more often in stopping and frisking blacks, then isn't that an example of the differences in experiences that sharkinva was talking about?

 

[Sharkinva]

1- nope...and if nobody was willing, it would drive up the pay.

Which would in turn drive up the cost of items. Fact is, most of these Illegals stealing jobs that people complain about, are doing jobs that most of those complaining would not do unless it paid some ridiculous amount. And as i have stated, once these companies are forced to pay a fare wage to LEGAL citizens, they will either raise the price of their goods, or simply off shore the work to Mexico, China or India any way.

2- blacks make up 13% of the population. So you believe that a majority of the blacks in prison today did not commit the crime they are in prison for?

Never said that. But I do believe that it is rather bullshit to explain away the proportional disparity in prison population by saying... well blacks just commit more crimes. When the reality is more likely that Blacks are just CONVICTED on a higher rate.

3- it wasn't stolen. It was taken in war or purchased. Can you actually have a claim to the land you were not on? Can you have a claim to the land if you are not a sovereign nation? This was also in a time when the world was in expansionism mode. Indians are no more native to this country than we are. They crossed the land bridge and killed the dominant species before them.


Bonus nugget...there is a right way to enter this country and everybody knows it. We are a nation of laws so why do you think laws shouldn't apply to invaders?

You contradict yourself. You believe in the LAWS that should protect you from Invaders, yet applaud your forefathers for Invading this very land. Then have the stones to justify it by saying, well we were a sovereign nation and thus had the right to take this country by force and then try and commit genocide to make sure it could be kept.

What next you are going to tell me Black Americans should be thankful our ancestors were given an all expense paid cruise from Africa to the US and even given jobs for life and a place to live out of the generosity of this great sovereign nation.

 

[gkekoa]

Kerrigan has averaged less than 10 sacks a year for 5 seasons and he got a huge deal. Not one fan complained, felt he was worth every penny. Now you have a guy with similar numbers his last 2 years and he is asking for a fraction of that figure.

Compare the complete stats of Kerrigan to Galette and you can see why we didn't complain. First off, RK has had no disciplinary action by the NFL and was coming off a 13.5 sack season.

RK also had never been injured and started every game of his career.
RK has averaged about 20 tackles more per season than JG had in his two good seasons.
RK gets more FF, INTs, and pass break ups.

 

[Sharkinva]

Easy fix to companies sending work to foreign countries, tax the imports.

Really.. .I wonder why the Government hasnt thought of that yet??

 

[gkekoa]

Which would in turn drive up the cost of items. Fact is, most of these Illegals stealing jobs that people complain about, are doing jobs that most of those complaining would not do unless it paid some ridiculous amount. And as i have stated, once these companies are forced to pay a fare wage to LEGAL citizens, they will either raise the price of their goods, or simply off shore the work to Mexico, China or India any way.

Never said that. But I do believe that it is rather bullshit to explain away the proportional disparity in prison population by saying... well blacks just commit more crimes. When the reality is more likely that Blacks are just CONVICTED on a higher rate.

You contradict yourself. You believe in the LAWS that should protect you from Invaders, yet applaud your forefathers for Invading this very land. Then have the stones to justify it by saying, well we were a sovereign nation and thus had the right to take this country by force and then try and commit genocide to make sure it could be kept.

What next you are going to tell me Black Americans should be thankful our ancestors were given an all expense paid cruise from Africa to the US and even given jobs for life and a place to live out of the generosity of this great sovereign nation.

Americans would do them if they had no choice. If the welfare system wasn't so easy to cheat, they would do them. You went from home workers to companies. Which is it? Most people would work for companies and an increase in value of a skilled work force doesn't drive up cost to consumers. Again, when it comes to shipping jobs overseas, all the government has to do is tax imports.

Blacks are charged at a higher rate. Blacks are convicted at a higher rate. The logical conclusion would be they commit crime at a higher rate. It is not logical to say it is white man's fault. That is like saying if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a dog.

The forefathers of this nation didn't invade it. The European migration occurred prior to the founding of this country. Even before that, most of the land in North America was uninhabited and unexplored. From there...we took some land by force which is what happens in war and some land we bought. There was never an attempted genocide.

Actually, when it comes to slavery in the US, blacks should be grateful. They were slaves in Africa by other blacks. Originally, they were sold as indentured servants and worked off their debt and freed. We could discuss how that evolved into slavery if you would like. But let's not pretend slavery was a US thing. It was a worldwide thing. It wasn't just blacks in history that were slaves, so stop pretending it was. There were white slaves in the US as well. Now, if that free cruise hadn't happened, would you be happy in Africa today? Would you even be alive?

 

[gkekoa]

Really.. .I wonder why the Government hasnt thought of that yet??

They have. They are just bought by companies to prevent it and there are trade agreements in place.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Compare the complete stats of Kerrigan to Galette and you can see why we didn't complain. First off, RK has had no disciplinary action by the NFL and was coming off a 13.5 sack season.

RK also had never been injured and started every game of his career.
RK has averaged about 20 tackles more per season than JG had in his two good seasons.
RK gets more FF, INTs, and pass break ups.

I'll address 2 posts at once as they both said the same thing. I never claimed Gallette was the same player as Kerrigan You have been posting Galette's sack totals for a day now, claiming nobody game plans for him. I was just responding that his sack totals were comparable to Kerrigan. Ryan is the better all around player, no doubt. But again if nobody is game planning for a guy with 22 sacks his last 2 years they probably aren't for a guy with 23.

I also get the baggage argument which is again why his contract will be way lower. My point is both have value, pass rushers are gold in the NFL. If you can get one at a bargain rate you have to consider it. Pass rushers get paid.

 

[gkekoa]

I'll address 2 posts at once as they both said the same thing. I never claimed Gallette was the same player as Kerrigan You have been posting Galette's sack totals for a day now, claiming nobody game plans for him. I was just responding that his sack totals were comparable to Kerrigan. Ryan is the better all around player, no doubt. But again if nobody is game planning for a guy with 22 sacks his last 2 years they probably aren't for a guy with 23.

I also get the baggage argument which is again why his contract will be way lower. My point is both have value, pass rushers are gold in the NFL. If you can get one at a bargain rate you have to consider it. Pass rushers get paid.

I have stated numerous times I would sign JG for the right price.

There is also a difference because of talent JG lines up across from RK lines up across from. JG lines up across from the better tackle on the left side. A LT won't typically need help against JG. RK lines up across from the RT who would typically need help.

 

[Sharkinva]

Americans would do them if they had no choice. If the welfare system wasn't so easy to cheat, they would do them. You went from home workers to companies. Which is it? Most people would work for companies and an increase in value of a skilled work force doesn't drive up cost to consumers. Again, when it comes to shipping jobs overseas, all the government has to do is tax imports.

Blacks are charged at a higher rate. Blacks are convicted at a higher rate. The logical conclusion would be they commit crime at a higher rate. It is not logical to say it is white man's fault. That is like saying if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is probably a dog.

The forefathers of this nation didn't invade it. The European migration occurred prior to the founding of this country. Even before that, most of the land in North America was uninhabited and unexplored. From there...we took some land by force which is what happens in war and some land we bought. There was never an attempted genocide.

Actually, when it comes to slavery in the US, blacks should be grateful. They were slaves in Africa by other blacks. Originally, they were sold as indentured servants and worked off their debt and freed. We could discuss how that evolved into slavery if you would like. But let's not pretend slavery was a US thing. It was a worldwide thing. It wasn't just blacks in history that were slaves, so stop pretending it was. There were white slaves in the US as well. Now, if that free cruise hadn't happened, would you be happy in Africa today? Would you even be alive?

Wow, just wow.

First off how can you say that an increase in the cost of labor would not directly be passed onto the consumer?? If it costs you $5 to make a sandwich, and you sell it for $10, you made a profit. IF it starts costing you $9 to make that same sandwich, are you going to keep it at $10 sale price out of the goodness of your heart? Or raise the price to maintain your profit margin?

Point two, As we live in a society that has come to expect a black person to be a criminal. You dont think there might be a little predisposition towards charging and convicting people based on their race? Now Im not even going to pretend all these guys are innocent. But I will say, thinking like that is a big part of WHY blacks are actually convicted more. The assumption that he is black, he must have done something wrong. Much like the assumption that he is of Latin descent in Arizona, he is probably an illegal.

Point three.. if you show up on someone elses land. Say you want this land. They tell you I dont want to give you or sell to you my land. And you turn around and take it by force, because you feel you have some RIGHT to said land.... thats called an invasion. And yes, giving Native Americans blankets infected with small pox WAS in fact an attempt at genocide.

Point four... no Slavery was not just a US thing. But a few key differences.
1. The slaves in Africa were able to eventually work of their debt and gain their freedom.
2. Their children were not BORN into being slaves and thought of as property from birth.
3. Generally in Africa they became a slave either through some debt owed, or as a captive of tribal WAR. And even then they could earn their freedom.

4. I admit slavery was'nt invented here, you just took what the Egyptians did to the Jews and turned it up to a whole new level.

But yes we blacks in America should be thankful for what was done to our ancestors, as should the Native Americans that they were spared from being wiped out and instead put on reservations.

 

[gkekoa]

Wow, just wow.

First off how can you say that an increase in the cost of labor would not directly be passed onto the consumer?? If it costs you $5 to make a sandwich, and you sell it for $10, you made a profit. IF it starts costing you $9 to make that same sandwich, are you going to keep it at $10 sale price out of the goodness of your heart? Or raise the price to maintain your profit margin?

Point two, As we live in a society that has come to expect a black person to be a criminal. You dont think there might be a little predisposition towards charging and convicting people based on their race? Now Im not even going to pretend all these guys are innocent. But I will say, thinking like that is a big part of WHY blacks are actually convicted more. The assumption that he is black, he must have done something wrong. Much like the assumption that he is of Latin descent in Arizona, he is probably an illegal.

Point three.. if you show up on someone elses land. Say you want this land. They tell you I dont want to give you or sell to you my land. And you turn around and take it by force, because you feel you have some RIGHT to said land.... thats called an invasion. And yes, giving Native Americans blankets infected with small pox WAS in fact an attempt at genocide.

Point four... no Slavery was not just a US thing. But a few key differences.
1. The slaves in Africa were able to eventually work of their debt and gain their freedom.
2. Their children were not BORN into being slaves and thought of as property from birth.
3. Generally in Africa they became a slave either through some debt owed, or as a captive of tribal WAR. And even then they could earn their freedom.

4. I admit slavery was'nt invented here, you just took what the Egyptians did to the Jews and turned it up to a whole new level.

But yes we blacks in America should be thankful for what was done to our ancestors, as should the Native Americans that they were spared from being wiped out and instead put on reservations.

Sandwich makers get paid minimum wage so your point here is moot.

So you find it less offensive that 12 people are so biased they see the facts and still convict a guy than the guy is a criminal?talk about Wow. You would blame 12 people for their conviction after the facts than the person actually committed a crime?

Can you show me this small pox thing?

The slaves in the US were originally indentured servants and could work off their debt. I think you are mistaken about Africa.

So you think a child born to an African slave was not a slave?

If you think slavery in the US was turned up a whole level, please explain that.

Are Indians required to be on reservations today? Are blacks required to stay in the ghetto? If these places are so bad, why don't they leave?

 

[Sharkinva]

Sandwich makers get paid minimum wage so your point here is moot.

So you find it less offensive that 12 people are so biased they see the facts and still convict a guy than the guy is a criminal?talk about Wow. You would blame 12 people for their conviction after the facts than the person actually committed a crime?

Can you show me this small pox thing?

The slaves in the US were originally indentured servants and could work off their debt. I think you are mistaken about Africa.

So you think a child born to an African slave was not a slave?

If you think slavery in the US was turned up a whole level, please explain that.

Are Indians required to be on reservations today? Are blacks required to stay in the ghetto? If these places are so bad, why don't they leave?

Colonial Germ Warfare : The Colonial Williamsburg Official History & Citizenship Site

How is my point Moot?? And if it is, why have they been fighting so hard to NOT raise the minimum wage?? The cost of labor going up will directly effect the cost to the end consumer. This is a KNOWN proven fact of business. The converse is , if you can lower the cost of production, you can increase profits without adverse consumer effect.

I find your line of thinking flawed because it ignores the fact that minorities in general, and blacks in particular are still considered a second class citizen in this country even if they are LEGAL. The assumption that a black man must have done something remains prevalent in our justice system.

Slavery was turned up a level in the US because those fucks had the audacity to actually IMPORT a slave labor force. Usually in chains I might add. NO one was brought here in chains under the assumption that they could EARN their freedom. And in fact, the few actual free blacks in the north lived in constant fear that they would be snatched, and dragged into slavery in the south for no reason other than the fact that they were black.

I would suggest you watch the movie 12 years a slave. Or god forbid.. Roots.

And no Indians are not required to stay on reservations, nor blacks required to stay in the Ghetto. But lets just say that society today does NOTHING to make getting off the reservation easy.

 

[gkekoa]

Thank you. That was a good read but sounds like war to me. I personally believe in killing all your enemies in war but that was interesting.

I agree with your stance on the minimum wage but Americans do those jobs and the workers are unskilled. You don't raise the minimum wage by government...you allow the market to dictate wage. When the worker market is saturated, it keeps wages low.

How are blacks considered second hand citizens? Which policies treat them unequally? The black man must have done something line is straight up BS.

Slave labor forces were always imported. Usually they were spoils of war. The blacks that were sold into slavery from Africa, were they already slaves in Africa?

Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

An interesting article showing that a disproportionate amount of slaveowners were actually black.

Is it societies responsibility to get people off reservations or out of the ghetto? Freedom isn't always easy. I'm a big fan of...if you do not like your life, change the circumstance.