Schefter Reports Contract Talks with Cousins Broken Off

[Breed]

Agree. Why do people (especially Redskins fans) want to keep lumping the current Redskins organization in with the incompetent ones from the past?

Or.............................

One could also ask, why all the hope and trust when we've already seen this movie multiple times.

What the Skins did last year is last year. If they can't or don't follow up on it next year and end up in the NFC East cellar again. Like they did in 2006, 2008, and 2013 after promising previous years. 2015 won't mean shit. One step forward and two steps back does nothing, but leave you where you've been.

 

[deanpet21]

Most QB deals have trap doors. Maybe KC wants more guarantee money upfront.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree Breed. They shouldn't be messing around with KC.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Or.............................

One could also ask, why all the hope and trust when we've already seen this movie multiple times.

What the Skins did last year is last year. If they can't or don't follow up on it next year and end up in the NFC East cellar again. Like they did in 2006, 2008, and 2013 after promising previous years. 2015 won't mean shit. One step forward and two steps back does nothing, but leave you where you've been.

Personally I'm not seeing the same old movie based on last year's drafting and operations.

But we all know what opinions are worth too.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Or.............................

One could also ask, why all the hope and trust when we've already seen this movie multiple times.

What the Skins did last year is last year. If they can't or don't follow up on it next year and end up in the NFC East cellar again. Like they did in 2006, 2008, and 2013 after promising previous years. 2015 won't mean shit. One step forward and two steps back does nothing, but leave you where you've been.

I have answered this before & will here. Let's compare this to 2012/2013. Big difference at this time.

The 2012 team was primarily based on RG3. He ended his season w/ a major injury & there were doubts about whether he could rebound quickly enough to start the 2013 season. He was also operating under a gimmick offense & several folks had their doubts whether it was sustainable (turns out they were correct). Beyond that you had question marks across the board on both offense and defense for that team.

The Redskins were also looking at having no # 1 picks for the following 2 seasons due to the RG3 trade, and they had numerous holes to fill. Their GM/personnel role was primarily being performed by Shanahan & history shows that the dual coach/GM role rarely works. Bottom line - the Redskins achieved their success mainly through smoke & mirrors & were looking at huge question marks moving forward. Ultimately it all came crashing down.

Compare that to the current time. They have a separate coach & GM & their GM is very highly respected & just about everything that he has done to date with the Redskins has worked out pretty well (no guarantee I realize). They also have finally started to put together the makings of a very good O line. They have youth in just about all areas and are actually developing talent and depth across the board. They have just about all of their draft picks moving forward & have already shown that they advocate the sensible approach towards free agency.

Again - this is no guarantee, but if you can't see the difference between this offseason and the ones in 2013 & the other years then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Breed]

Personally I'm not seeing the same old movie based on last year's drafting and operations.

But we all know what opinions are worth too.

I hear ya, Cali. I to think things aren't flowing quite like they did in the past. We just have a pretty standard issue at QB this year as opposed to the QB circus issue going into 2013 for instance. This team isn't gonna make the wholesale changes on offense like the 2005 team did going into 2006. I don't see any major and shocking coaching retirements/changes for this squad like what happened after 2007.

Still though, I'm keeping my excitement tempered and I'm still not quite sold on Cuz either.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I agree Breed. They shouldn't be messing around with KC.

How did you get that from his post? Also - how are they messing around with KC? Do you feel that the Redskins should just start & offer KC a $100 M guaranteed contract no questions asked? That is ridiculous. What if he gets this type of crazy contract & flops?

They are doing the rt thing. In the past they would have caved into fans like yourself & wasted money in the process.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I hear ya, Cali. I to think things aren't flowing quite like they did in the past. We just have a pretty standard issue at QB this year as opposed to the QB circus issue going into 2013 for instance. This team isn't gonna make the wholesale changes on offense like the 2005 team did going into 2006. I don't see any major and shocking coaching retirements/changes for this squad like what happened after 2007.

Still though, I'm keeping my excitement tempered and I'm still not quite sold on Cuz either.

Bout the same way I see it. Tho I'm more hopeful and excited for this upcoming draft and year then I've been for awhile now.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I hear ya, Cali. I to think things aren't flowing quite like they did in the past. We just have a pretty standard issue at QB this year as opposed to the QB circus issue going into 2013 for instance. This team isn't gonna make the wholesale changes on offense like the 2005 team did going into 2006. I don't see any major and shocking coaching retirements/changes for this squad like what happened after 2007.

Still though, I'm keeping my excitement tempered and I'm still not quite sold on Cuz either.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that & understandable how many Redskins fans will take the conservative approach moving forward.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I have answered this before & will here. Let's compare this to 2012/2013. Big difference at this time.

The 2012 team was primarily based on RG3. He ended his season w/ a major injury & there were doubts about whether he could rebound quickly enough to start the 2013 season. He was also operating under a gimmick offense & several folks had their doubts whether it was sustainable (turns out they were correct). Beyond that you had question marks across the board on both offense and defense for that team.

The Redskins were also looking at having no # 1 picks for the following 2 seasons due to the RG3 trade, and they had numerous holes to fill. Their GM/personnel role was primarily being performed by Shanahan & history shows that the dual coach/GM role rarely works. Bottom line - the Redskins achieved their success mainly through smoke & mirrors & were looking at huge question marks moving forward. Ultimately it all came crashing down.

Compare that to the current time. They have a separate coach & GM & their GM is very highly respected & just about everything that he has done to date with the Redskins has worked out pretty well (no guarantee I realize). They also have finally started to put together the makings of a very good O line. They have youth in just about all areas and are actually developing talent and depth across the board. They have just about all of their draft picks moving forward & have already shown that they advocate the sensible approach towards free agency.

Again - this is no guarantee, but if you can't see the difference between this offseason and the ones in 2013 & the other years then I don't know what to tell you.

Some excellent points here about the 2 seasons. And let us not forget the cap penalty either.

 

[deanpet21]

I cant really say b/c I don't know what is going on regarding the money. But if Sm is balking at a deal like tannehill or Kap then I take issue.

 

[redskinsfan]

I have answered this before & will here. Let's compare this to 2012/2013. Big difference at this time.

The 2012 team was primarily based on RG3. He ended his season w/ a major injury & there were doubts about whether he could rebound quickly enough to start the 2013 season. He was also operating under a gimmick offense & several folks had their doubts whether it was sustainable (turns out they were correct). Beyond that you had question marks across the board on both offense and defense for that team.

The Redskins were also looking at having no # 1 picks for the following 2 seasons due to the RG3 trade, and they had numerous holes to fill. Their GM/personnel role was primarily being performed by Shanahan & history shows that the dual coach/GM role rarely works. Bottom line - the Redskins achieved their success mainly through smoke & mirrors & were looking at huge question marks moving forward. Ultimately it all came crashing down.

Compare that to the current time. They have a separate coach & GM & their GM is very highly respected & just about everything that he has done to date with the Redskins has worked out pretty well (no guarantee I realize). They also have finally started to put together the makings of a very good O line. They have youth in just about all areas and are actually developing talent and depth across the board. They have just about all of their draft picks moving forward & have already shown that they advocate the sensible approach towards free agency.

Again - this is no guarantee, but if you can't see the difference between this offseason and the ones in 2013 & the other years then I don't know what to tell you.

Agreed. And don't forget about that ridiculous $36M cap penalty we got hit with.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Agreed. And don't forget about that ridiculous $36M cap penalty we got hit with.

Yep & one of the reasons why Fat Al will always be my least favorite football player ever.

 

[deanpet21]

Kiem from ESPN just wrote an article about the KC contract. He interviewed a former GM and the basically said you have to pay him b/c there is no other option.

 

[Breed]

Kiem from ESPN just wrote an article about the KC contract. He interviewed a former GM and the basically said you have to pay him b/c there is no other option.

Pretty much. The thing the Skins have to come to terms with is. If they can't get Cuz to take their highest offer, lets say 16 mill a year for 4 years basically. Do they pay him what he wants, 19/20 mill a year for multiple years. or do they franchise and him pay him 19.6 mill for the 2016 season. Then what though? Do they hope he fails so they don't have to pay him even more (21 to 23 mill a year?) to sign a long term contract after the 2016?

 

[deanpet21]

That is why I said KC has all the leverage in the deal. I would try to get a long term deal done so I can try to backload some of the money. KC has got SM by the balls and he knows it. This is why KC's agent is shooting for the stars. The only play SM has is to let KC hit unrestricted FA and see what his true market value is worth. But if you do that a team with more money than us could steal him away. Then the fan base would really go nuts.

 

[j_y19]

Cousins might balk at any deal that gives the Redskins an out. This wouldn't necessarily just be for money reasons, but the fact that the Redskins still don't trust him. However meritorious that view may be, Cousins has stated that he wants to be at a place where he's wanted. And a team that's structuring a deal that can provide a trap door after two years may signal that lack of "want" and may be reminiscent of the earlier part of his tenure here where he really was disrespected.

Trust may not be the right word, but the Redskins have a right to be hesitant to commit large chunks of guaranteed money. Cousins really didn't turn it around until game 7, so he really only played well over 10 games. Now he definitely made strides, and all signs point to continued growth, but there is still a possibility that he flames out. The sample size is just too small. But it is still way too early to be worried that they won't get a deal. This dance just started. The deal will happen, its good for both sides for it to happen. But it will be right up against the deadline. It almost always is.

 

[ehb5]

Pretty much. The thing the Skins have to come to terms with is. If they can't get Cuz to take their highest offer, lets say 16 mill a year for 4 years basically. Do they pay him what he wants, 19/20 mill a year for multiple years. or do they franchise and him pay him 19.6 mill for the 2016 season. Then what though? Do they hope he fails so they don't have to pay him even more (21 to 23 mill a year?) to sign a long term contract after the 2016?

Franchise him. Then you get another year to see if its real. Sure you end up in the same spot a year from now but you'll have a lot more information so that you can make a better long term decision. And the cap room we cost ourselves this year on him isnt really that important IMO as I doubt we're making a SB run next year.

 

[deanpet21]

The only play SM has is to let KC hit unrestricted FA and see what his true market value is worth. But if you do that a team with more money than us could steal him away. Then the fan base would really go nuts.


Do you guys agree with this?

 

[ehb5]

The only play SM has is to let KC hit unrestricted FA and see what his true market value is worth. But if you do that a team with more money than us could steal him away. Then the fan base would really go nuts.


Do you guys agree with this?

Too risky. I think we'd end up in a bidding war that either leaves us with no QB on the roster or a way overpaid QB.