Schefter Reports Contract Talks with Cousins Broken Off

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

hopefully the war gets worse over there.

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

whoops wrong thread

 

[GNG]

If they keep Griffin we still wouldnt have a decent QB.

As far as Kirk goes, I think he is good. Im just not a fan of the one year rental option because in the end it usually doesnt work out. If we are going to be looking for a QB any way, I would rather just let McCoy start and draft some one to groom.

Scott Tolzien of the Packers might be a FA. He would be a good signing for the Skins.

 

[countryroads316]

If they keep Griffin we still wouldnt have a decent QB.

As far as Kirk goes, I think he is good. Im just not a fan of the one year rental option because in the end it usually doesnt work out. If we are going to be looking for a QB any way, I would rather just let McCoy start and draft some one to groom.

that would be a horrible move might as well say the season is a scrap because McCoy would do nothing for us

 

[reptec101]

Interesting you see it that way.

How else can anyone see it differently? Let him sign elsewhere and start McCoy as you groom your newly drafted QB this season. That's a bold move... Idiotic too. Listen, Cousins sits in a very comfortable chair. Redskins cant let him walk and he knows it, agent knows it and even SM knows it. This is leaning towards a tag... What type remains to be seen. Have until the first of march to figure it out... And im sure they will.

 

[chillerdab]

Not ideal, but not a big deal.....yet.

Cousins has a lot of leverage, but not ALL of it. GMSM COULD franchise Cousins, draft a qb earlier than expected, then tell Kurt that if he gets injured or sucks, he won't get a big deal from another team, and offer him a competitive offer that is likely to be better than what he could possibly get under the injured/sucky scenario.

If KC lights it up, then GMSM either pays him or he walks, and if he walks, then you have the drafted qb take over, with a year of the system under his belt, and what would probably be a pretty good team backing him up.

I don't blame KC and his agent for breaking off negotiations, and I am glad that we have a REAL GM at the helm.

We'll see how this plays out, but it still feels like a whole lot of posturing... All hat and no cattle.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Redskins mailbag: Pros and cons of franchising Cousins; projecting surprise cuts

Good read - Note this part of the mailbag:

It’ll be interesting to see what happens here. I’ve gotten some e-mails from fans worried after hearing that the sides aren’t close to nailing down a deal yet. But rest easy. This is still very early in the process. It’s natural that the two sides would open negotiations with very different financial stances. The team starts low, the agent starts high, and they work their way toward a middle ground that suits both sides. If they fail to do so by March 1, the Redskins would likely use the franchise tag. And even in that event, because the sides have until July 15 pursue a long-term deal, to they probably would keep negotiating.

 

[Sportster 72]

KC isn't asking for anything, his agent is. That is his job and this is the free agent dance. We've seen it a million times. This way is much better than the old way where you hand Archuleta or Fat Albert a blank check and tell them to fill in the blank.

 

[Sharkinva]

How else can anyone see it differently? Let him sign elsewhere and start McCoy as you groom your newly drafted QB this season. That's a bold move... Idiotic too. Listen, Cousins sits in a very comfortable chair. Redskins cant let him walk and he knows it, agent knows it and even SM knows it. This is leaning towards a tag... What type remains to be seen. Have until the first of march to figure it out... And im sure they will.

Lets face it, the cap is a one year rental with an option to buy. But the purchase price likely goes up and you have put another year of wear and tear on the rental in question. I want to see them keep Cousins, but not at the cost of $20 million for a one year rental.

And if they tag him and he goes else where, the two firsts would be nice to have. BUt they would signify that we likely fucked this one up.

Again they need to just move on from Griffin. If we can get something for him, great. If not oh well. But I cant see a logical reason for keeping him around if he seriously thinks he got benched because coach didnt like him. There is just no way that logically works out in the Skins favor.

 

[reptec101]

When Griffin lost his legs he lost his confidence and we as a desperate fan base lost our patience. When you have sucked for so long you have very little patience. Griffin's release is a done deal. When it comes to kirk however you have prolong hope. He has potential and intangibles. Here is a dude who even when he had no offensive line the first three years here,, he moved the chains regardless. Tossed some picks but was progressing. Last year without a running game he moved the chains regardless and took the skins, who were "as a team" projected to win 3 games, he took em to the playoffs as division winners. Division was down yes, but Cousins was up. His first true year as a starter. Bottom line... pay him or pay someone else to be your savior. Ive seen enough of Cousins to know you won't find anything better in this draft or on the FA block. Skins better pay the man,,, he's earned it.

 

[skinsdad62]

much ado about nothing . he will get signed or franchised . and if it costs more then thats the price of doing business

 

[Sleepy T]

Once again... What are the pros of the tag vs. a long term deal before 3/1??

Pros- With the cap, You get more time to work out a reasonable long term deal AND most importantly, you get more time to evaluate Cousins in camp, pre-season and possibly up to the midpoint in the season. Make sure he wasn't just a flash in the pan. If Cousins performs great, he gets big $$$. If he flops, he can walk, and the team isn't crippled by another big contract from a mediocre QB.

With a LT deal. You might be able to get him at a bargain and not risk losing him if he blows it up next year.

Cons- We pay him big money NOW (even though, as someone else said, he still has a little to prove) ans he is a dud. OR if we cap him and he kills it, he tests the waters and we end up losing him.

I'm torn, but tend to want to sign him if it is a realistic number.

 

[Sharkinva]

Once again... What are the pros of the tag vs. a long term deal before 3/1??

Pros- With the cap, You get more time to work out a reasonable long term deal AND most importantly, you get more time to evaluate Cousins in camp, pre-season and possibly up to the midpoint in the season. Make sure he wasn't just a flash in the pan. If Cousins performs great, he gets big $$$. If he flops, he can walk, and the team isn't crippled by another big contract from a mediocre QB.

With a LT deal. You might be able to get him at a bargain and not risk losing him if he blows it up next year.

Cons- We pay him big money NOW (even though, as someone else said, he still has a little to prove) ans he is a dud. OR if we cap him and he kills it, he tests the waters and we end up losing him.

I'm torn, but tend to want to sign him if it is a realistic number.

Problem is, if he is tagged, we only have until July 15th to get a long term deal done. If not, he plays on the tag and we cant count a long term deal until next year. So even IF we get a long term deal done, it dont go into effect until next year.

 

[ehb5]

I think the tag isnt a bad option at all, but if its an extension with outs Im down too.

 

[j_y19]

I think the tag isnt a bad option at all, but if its an extension with outs Im down too.

I guarantee you the outs are the issue. It's not the money. Just like the rest of us, I'm sure SM wants to be able to get out of the deal at some point with minimal damage if KC turns into a one year wonder. The total contract value rarely means much as most contracts never reach maturity. Most players are either released or renegotiated before their contract is up.

 

[ehb5]

I guarantee you the outs are the issue. It's not the money. Just like the rest of us, I'm sure SM wants to be able to get out of the deal at some point with minimal damage if KC turns into a one year wonder. The total contract value rarely means much as most contracts never reach maturity. Most players are either released or renegotiated before their contract is up.

Yea I would bet your right.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Interesting take from Tandler...


Yesterday, citing a team source, Adam Schefter tweeted that the two sides “have broken off contract talks” and that there are “no further talks scheduled”.

That sounds like there is some big rift between the two sides but that may not be the case. In fact, both the Washington Post and Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk said that they have been told that the lines of communication between the Redskins organization and Cousins’ camp are very much open.

John Keim of ESPN also wrote that Schefter is reporting that the source said that “it's not a foregone conclusion that the Redskins would use the franchise tag on Cousins”.

So what does all of this mean? Business as usual. At this point, with two weeks to go until the deadline for the Redskins to apply franchise tag to Cousins there is no reason for either the Redskins or Cousins to give much ground. And if neither side is giving any ground, what reason is there to talk? Sometimes it’s best to take a break and let the sides evaluate their positions.

The part about “no further talks schedule” sounds ominous but it’s meaningless. A meeting can be scheduled with a phone call. And Mike McCartney, who is Cousins’ agent, and the Redskins’ brass will be in Indianapolis for the combine next week. Certainly a meeting at St. Elmo’s to resume the process could be in the cards.

So why did the team leak the story that the talks had broke off to Schefter? There could be a number of reasons but to me it looks like the most important part of what game out is the part that got the least attention. They wanted to get word out that the franchise tag for Cousins is not a given despite what many of us in the media have assumed.

If Cousins’ agent is negotiating on the assumption that the tag will be applied if there is no deal by the March 1 tag deadline, that sets up the expectation that Cousins should get at least the $19.6 million fully guaranteed money that comes with the tag. If the tag is off of the table then expectations might be lower.

The threat that the Redskins might not use the tag seems to be a bluff. They aren’t going to keep Robert Griffin III for his $16.15 million salary. Colt McCoy, who is not under contract for 2016, isn’t the answer for more than a game or two. Are they really going to set themselves up to have to go quarterback shopping when free agency opens up? It seems more likely that they will do what they have to do to lock up the guy who led them to the playoffs last year even if it means that, in their perception, they will be overpaying him.

 

[Sharkinva]

I have decided I will go under the premise that the Redskins will screw this up until such time as we actually DONT screw it up.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I have decided I will go under the premise that the Redskins will screw this up until such time as we actually DONT screw it up.

Oh ye of little faith.

I've seen enough change in the past year to buy into the FO getting this right.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Cali,

I will tell you what this means. It means that ESPN made sure that Schefter presented this in such a way that it would fuel hits to their web site and people watching Sportscenter as well as provide conversation for their endless amt of talk shows. Whether there is substance to any of this is irrelevant to them.