Let's get this whole time thing straight!

[j_y19]

Wouldn't we all be cheering louder and be a lot more confident if Washington had a system like this one in place? The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure what everyone else is referring to, but this is the comparison that I speak of when comparing to Aaron Rodgers. Please pay attention to what was worked on during the "Quarterbacking schools" and the attitude that he originally had going to them.



"Though Rodgers played very little in his rookie season, he ran the scout team during practice.[44] His job was to mimic opponents' schemes for the defense for the game the following week. Rodgers said this was critical to his success, and that those were his game reps.[45] The defense and scouts often complained that he was practicing too hard, and at one point asked him to tone it down.[44] He stated that he had probably "rubbed people the wrong way" with how hard he practiced.[44] Wide receiver Donald Driver, commented that Rodgers took "every scout-team possession like it was the last possession of his life."[45]

"After the Packers' losing season of Rodgers' rookie year, head coach Mike Sherman was fired and replaced by current head coach Mike McCarthy.[46][47] Rodgers was then placed in McCarthy's "Quarterback school" for six hours a day several times a week.[48] This focused on working on Rodgers' motor skills such as hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, and mechanics.[44] McCarthy also worked on Rodgers' release point, moving it from right beside the ear hole of his helmet to further below it, to give him a smoother release.[37] Rodgers was also instructed to lower his body fat ratio from 15 percent to 12 percent.[44] Rodgers was resistant to the changes at first but later commented that he thought they were for the better.[48] During practice in 11-on-11 drills, Rodgers completed 62.7% of his passes with seven interceptions, and McCarthy commented that "He's getting better" and that "You're looking at a guy who's going to mature. He's got athletic ability that people still haven't seen."[37]

It would be great. It would also be great if we had an Aaron Rogers. We don't, unfortunately.

 

[Sportster 72]

Wouldn't we all be cheering louder and be a lot more confident if Washington had a system like this one in place? The results speak for themselves. I'm not sure what everyone else is referring to, but this is the comparison that I speak of when comparing to Aaron Rodgers. Please pay attention to what was worked on during the "Quarterbacking schools" and the attitude that he originally had going to them.



"Though Rodgers played very little in his rookie season, he ran the scout team during practice.[44] His job was to mimic opponents' schemes for the defense for the game the following week. Rodgers said this was critical to his success, and that those were his game reps.[45] The defense and scouts often complained that he was practicing too hard, and at one point asked him to tone it down.[44] He stated that he had probably "rubbed people the wrong way" with how hard he practiced.[44] Wide receiver Donald Driver, commented that Rodgers took "every scout-team possession like it was the last possession of his life."[45]

"After the Packers' losing season of Rodgers' rookie year, head coach Mike Sherman was fired and replaced by current head coach Mike McCarthy.[46][47] Rodgers was then placed in McCarthy's "Quarterback school" for six hours a day several times a week.[48] This focused on working on Rodgers' motor skills such as hand-eye coordination, finger dexterity, and mechanics.[44] McCarthy also worked on Rodgers' release point, moving it from right beside the ear hole of his helmet to further below it, to give him a smoother release.[37] Rodgers was also instructed to lower his body fat ratio from 15 percent to 12 percent.[44] Rodgers was resistant to the changes at first but later commented that he thought they were for the better.[48] During practice in 11-on-11 drills, Rodgers completed 62.7% of his passes with seven interceptions, and McCarthy commented that "He's getting better" and that "You're looking at a guy who's going to mature. He's got athletic ability that people still haven't seen."[37]

I could not agree more. Lets hire Mike McCarthy and while we are at lets hire Ted Thompson who SM learned from and what the hell lets hire Mark Murphy (ex-Redskin) and Team Pres

 

[Stymietee]

It would be great. It would also be great if we had an Aaron Rogers. We don't, unfortunately.

We don't need an Aaron Rodgers, just the system that helped to create him.

 

[skinsdad62]

We don't need an Aaron Rodgers, just the system that helped to create him.

i think we are going there with SM

 

[Stymietee]

I could not agree more. Lets hire Mike McCarthy and while we are at lets hire Ted Thompson who SM learned from and what the hell lets hire Mark Murphy (ex-Redskin) and Team Pres

I get the joke man.......the serious part is that we don't have a system that takes a raw product and refines him into what we need.

 

[Stymietee]

i think we are going there with SM

I've been on that same train of thought from the moment he was hired!

 

[j_y19]

We don't need an Aaron Rodgers, just the system that helped to create him.

It sure wouldn't hurt. Even if you don't have an aaron rogers, you need a willing student.

 

[Stymietee]

It sure wouldn't hurt. Even if you don't have an aaron rogers, you need a willing student.

That's a very good argument for someone who was poorly handled from the start, but for a rookie who wants to make a name for himself and his brand at the highest level who's been made to sit and learn to the satisfaction of his coaches he becomes a much more willing student ( or he never plays)

 

[martinez]

Who is the last player we successfully groomed, let alone QB?

When was the last time we've had a s good of positional coaches as we do now.

 

[j_y19]

That's a very good argument for someone who was poorly handled from the start, but for a rookie who wants to make a name for himself and his brand at the highest level who's been made to sit and learn to the satisfaction of his coaches he becomes a much more willing student ( or he never plays)

Or you just cut his ass and get someone that does want to learn.

 

[Sportster 72]

That's a very good argument for someone who was poorly handled from the start, but for a rookie who wants to make a name for himself and his brand at the highest level who's been made to sit and learn to the satisfaction of his coaches he becomes a much more willing student ( or he never plays)

I am having a hard time understanding your train of thought again. Is your premise that most of the starting NFL QBs were poorly handled because they did not get three years to learn before starting?

 

[Stymietee]

Or you just cut his ass and get someone that does want to learn.

I said that already, but only after conditions have been set that compells him to learn or else! You don't offer the farm and later regret it......like I've said over and over again........mishandled!

 

[Stymietee]

I am having a hard time understanding your train of thought again. Is your premise that most of the starting NFL QBs were poorly handled because they did not get three years to learn before starting?

There's a reason that you are having a hard time, take my posts at face value, in proper perspective and stop adding your spin on my posts. For example, at what point were we talking about MOST starting QB's* What Green Bay has done vs. what Washington has not, does not constitute most starting QB's

BTW: See that asterisk after Most starting QB's? It's there because, as it stands now most starting QB's could have used some seasoning prior to starting. Of course there are exceptions to that rule and not all of them would not require 3 years. It just happened that our guy who owned a skillset that consisted of running and throwing, needed extensive training and someone with the stones to have compelled him to either learn or continue sitting. Thus damaging his own Brand and wannabe star status.

 

[Sportster 72]

Sorry Sty, just not buying it. Griffin had plenty of chances to learn. He just didn't have the skills needed. To your point, he is still young. Who knows some where down the line maybe he learns them. Like I said before everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is mine.

 

[Stymietee]

Sorry Sty, just not buying it. Griffin had plenty of chances to learn. He just didn't have the skills needed. To your point, he is still young. Who knows some where down the line maybe he learns them. Like I said before everyone is entitled to an opinion and that is mine.

OK!

 

[Breed]

It just happened that our guy who owned a skillset that consisted of running and throwing, needed extensive training and someone with the stones to have compelled him to either learn or continue sitting. Thus damaging his own Brand and wannabe star status.

Who can say that wasn't the plan? Both Big Ben and Brady were not the QBs they are today when they initially became starters. They grew into their present QB capabilities while they continued to start. I'm not a big Mike Shanahan guy, but I see no reason that Shanny says, "Fuck that! You'll do what you've always done." Had Griffin sat down with him in private and said, "I want to become a more traditional type NFL QB." And it makes sense to believe Shanny was leaning in that direction anyway.

A) Griffin did not play smart. Both of his initial injuries (2012 Atl and Balt games) were results of failing to use the rules of the game provided to protect himself. B) He became a monster. Publicly dictating what type of game he would and wouldn't play while openly defying his HC at every turn. C) His brand, at least imo, became more important to him than learning to become a better, well rounded QB. D) Unfortunately for him, he thought he had arrived after year one. Thus he failed to understand the most basic and #1 rule of advertisement branding. You gotta continue to be a baller if you wanna grow your brand. No balling, no brand.

 

[Stymietee]

Who can say that wasn't the plan? Both Big Ben and Brady were not the QBs they are today when they initially became starters. They grew into their present QB capabilities while they continued to start. I'm not a big Mike Shanahan guy, but I see no reason that Shanny says, "Fuck that! You'll do what you've always done." Had Griffin sat down with him in private and said, "I want to become a more traditional type NFL QB." And it makes sense to believe Shanny was leaning in that direction anyway.

A) Griffin did not play smart. Both of his initial injuries (2012 Atl and Balt games) were results of failing to use the rules of the game provided to protect himself. B) He became a monster. Publicly dictating what type of game he would and wouldn't play while openly defying his HC at every turn. C) His brand, at least imo, became more important to him than learning to become a better, well rounded QB. D) Unfortunately for him, he thought he had arrived after year one. Thus he failed to understand the most basic and #1 rule of advertisement branding. You gotta continue to be a baller if you wanna grow your brand. No balling, no brand.

We can all say that it wasn't the plan because he didn't sit from the beginning......beyond that everything else that you've written supports my position!

 

[j_y19]

Sty, it wouldn't have made any difference if Robert sat for a year or two. He did not/does not listen to anyone but maybe his parents and his agent. You keep wanting to suggest that the failure of Griffin here is at the feet of others, he was mishandled. The one that mishandled him the most was himself. He is responsible for himself and he chose a path he thought best, against the coaching, tutoring and cajoling of now two coaching staffs. It turns out that path was wrong. His fault. Compound this with the fact that, while fast in a straight line race, is not very elusive. He does not have the inherent sense to protect himself or avoid a hit. Thus, he is a constant injury. Bottom line is he was a very bad pick, And, IMO, he will never be an accomplished NFL QB, no matter how long he sits.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

IMO - the Redskins situation was dramatically different than the Packers situation. As a matter of fact the Packers situation was different than almost any team in the NFL. Rodgers was drafted late in 1st round & was sitting behind a HOF QB (who granted had some struggles). Unlike the Redskins there was minimal pressure to start him from day one.

During their 1st season with Rodgers they were a bad team. However - it evolved to the pt where during his 3rd season (when he still barely played) the Packers were very good & did this behind Favre. In addition the Packers don't have a true owner so you don't have the typical meddling that you have with a lot of teams (certainly the Redskins). Additionally - probably from his 1st year Rodgers already was polished & had a skill set that RG3 still lacks.

Compare this to RG3. Who in the world was going to QB the team while he "learned" from the bench? Grossman? Some other bum? You couldn't really start Cousins at that time for multiple reasons. Does anyone honestly believe that any owner, fanbase or coach is going to sit back & be happy not starting a QB for a few years who was obtained by mortgaging the draft for many years & all the while settling for horrific play at QB? Please tell me in what universe this occurs?

Fast forward to now. Honestly - do any of us have any reason to believe that RG3 will progress to being an elite or even effective QB? Look at this objectively. I am not saying that it won't happen, but the odds are against it. Throw in the $16 million dollar boat anchor & I truly find it baffling to see a reason to waste more time developing this guy. This is especially true since neither the current GM or coach were the ones who brought this guy in.

I am for all the QBs on the roster as long as they are Redskins, but cmon - how about adding a little realism to this conversation.

 

[gkekoa]

RG3 had his chance. He had all the promise in the world but he killed himself. His attitude and his ego were all wrong. He thought he could get by on natural ability and do things the way he always had...he was wrong. Next please.