50 sacks huh ?

[Sportster 72]

Unless you do a sign and trade I'd be very surprised to see anyone give up a 1st round pick for a guy on a one year deal.

 

[Sharkinva]

b/c you have a chance to extend him if you already have the rights to him during the season.

Not quite Dean. If a team traded for Rak, the only control they would have over him is to franchise him at a price of 125% of this years salary. So again I ask, why trade for an average player that you would have for half a season and would cost you roughly $14.5 million to keep for another season. If Rak isnt worth it to us, whats the point in another team trading for him??

 

[Sharkinva]

Shark if a team like Indy gave up a 1st round pick for Richardson why wouldn't a team give up a 1st for Rak? Aren't pass rushers in more demand than RB's? I know Richardson is younger but someone might bite. He is gone either way so you my as well get something for the guy. Unless he is so dominant that we will need him to make a Super Bowl run.

Richardson was still on his rookie deal with two years left on the deal at minimum. And according to you Rak is average at best and NOT worth elite money. So why on earth would a team give up a 1st round pick to pay an average OLB Elite money for half a season?? We wont get anything for Rak. He is gone and next year every one will be signing the praises of Murphy.

 

[deanpet21]

Some team could over pay for a pass rusher for a half of season to get them in contention to the Super Bowl. Its possible.

 

[Sharkinva]

Some team could over pay for a pass rusher for a half of season to get them in contention to the Super Bowl. Its possible.

If he were an elite passrusher and a difference maker, sure some team COULD do that. But you have spent MONTHS telling us how Rak is NOT elite, and likely will never BE Elite. So why would any team over pay for an average at best passrusher for half a season AND give up any draft picks at all?? Maybe we could trade Rak, our 2nd and 4th to get a first. But straight up, based on the player evaluation I have seen around here.. we would be lucky to get a moldy cheese sandwich for him.

 

[deanpet21]

If Rak has a good start to the season some team could trade for him. Why is that so hard to believe?

 

[j_y19]

If Rak has a good start to the season some team could trade for him. Why is that so hard to believe?

Because it is such a remote possibility. Could it Happen? Sure. Is it likely? Not at all.

 

[skinsdad62]

i am not of the school that it is a given he is gone after this season . that is a foolish premise .

that doesnt mean it wont happen but again if this guys puts up 15 sacks and logs that 4th pro bowl all of this backing into pro bowl BS and whether he is elite or not should be in the rear view mirror

then it will be if we LA him or champ him

 

[deanpet21]

dad, if he puts up 15 sacks his price will be crazy. No way the skins bring him back with the drafting of Murphy. The only way would be that if they don't resign Kerrigan.

 

[j_y19]

If he puts up 15 sacks, the Skins will do everything they can to bring him back. No one knows if Murphy will pan out. 15 sack a year guys are very rare and worth the money that he will get. Maybe they trade Kerrigan at that point? I doubt it, but its more realistic than trading Rak this year, as you have proposed.

 

[deanpet21]

How can they pay Rak when you have RG3, Morris, and Kerrigan coming due? The guy is gone if he puts up 2 sacks or 20 sacks.

 

[Sharkinva]

Dean... just be honest. You want Rak gone any way. The drafting of a second to third teir pass rusher SHOULD have no bearing on Raks situation. Last year the drafting of Jenkins was supposedly a clear sign that the old regime was preparing to part wats with Orakpo. Now Murphy is the designated replacement. If Rak put up 20 sacks, won DPOY you would still be saying the Skins should let him walk because he would then be too expensive.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes I do.

 

[deanpet21]

I think the Skins sealed Raks fate with the drafting of Murphy.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think the Skins sealed Raks fate with the drafting of Murphy.

And I think that is one of the dumbest ideas in a long line of dumb ideas this team has had over the past few years. There is a reason why Murphy was available for us to draft in the second round when the entire league puts a premium on pass rushers right now. Its because he is NOT that good. If the Skins had not franchised Rak I would guarantee there is a team out there that would have given him the deal he wanted. And if the Skins thought Murphy is actually that good, why wouldnt they have rak on the trade block NOW??

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I think the Skins sealed Raks fate with the drafting of Murphy.

Personally I think of Murphy as depth, not as anyone's replacement. To me, each player has to be assessed yearly based on their performance on the football field, and then taken care of appropriately as a result.

 

[j_y19]

How can they pay Rak when you have RG3, Morris, and Kerrigan coming due? The guy is gone if he puts up 2 sacks or 20 sacks.

Dean, there are 5 positions you pay what you have to to keep or acquire elite talent. They are QB, LT, WR, CB and ROLB/DE. Of course no team has elite talent at all 5 positions. Nor do we. If Rak gets 15 sacks, there is no question he is elite and deserves the money. We have the space and the money to pay rak. Hell, we are paying him $11M this year so we are only talking a few mil more.

As much as I love Morris, you do not pay the real big bucks to any RB not named Peterson. His resigning will not be difficult nor onerous. Nor will Kerrigan's (in 3 years). More immediate is T williams. I will not be surprised if we don't announce a restructure and extension of his contract before the season begins.

 

[j_y19]

And I think that is one of the dumbest ideas in a long line of dumb ideas this team has had over the past few years. There is a reason why Murphy was available for us to draft in the second round when the entire league puts a premium on pass rushers right now. Its because he is NOT that good. If the Skins had not franchised Rak I would guarantee there is a team out there that would have given him the deal he wanted. And if the Skins thought Murphy is actually that good, why wouldnt they have rak on the trade block NOW??

And how do you come to the conclusion that he is not very good? I'm just curious how you can make that proclamation now before he has even had pads on. It can't be based on his college performance.

I have no idea if he is good or not. But if I was betting, I'd bet the odds are better that he will be good over being a bust. He is a physical freak who has a lot of room left to develop, both physically and technically. He also graduated from Stanford with honors. He has the brains. The only thing we don't know is does he have the drive. Given the right tutelage, the is no reason to think he can't be productive.

 

[Sharkinva]

And how do you come to the conclusion that he is not very good? I'm just curious how you can make that proclamation now before he has even had pads on. It can't be based on his college performance.

I have no idea if he is good or not. But if I was betting, I'd bet the odds are better that he will be good over being a bust. He is a physical freak who has a lot of room left to develop, both physically and technically. He also graduated from Stanford with honors. He has the brains. The only thing we don't know is does he have the drive. Given the right tutelage, the is no reason to think he can't be productive.

j_y.... I am not saying he cant or wont be productive. I am saying its foolish to think a guy who was drafted in the 2nd round can simply come in and replace a 3 time probowler. Im saying there is a reason he was there for us in the 2nd round. If he were considered a sure fire replacement for Rak, he would never have been there in the 2nd round.

 

[skinsdad62]

i think over time murphy can be an 7-8 sack a year guy . he will be a very good football player but to proclaim a 2nd rounder is going to pick up where Rak left off is a bold statement to say the least

this team has to start developing and keeping its draft picks into their primes . after they have reached a point where their skills are in decline , then you can move on

rak has at least 4 good prime years left . why let the pats reap that ? or colts ? or our division rivals ?

dean is a prime example of what i am talking about . he says he isnt elite , then if he puts up elite numbers , well that isnt good enough either

this is the same group of people who think/thought rob jackson should take over ? they think that will make the defense better . they really think that . in the mean time he got no real offers from anyone else and we drafted two olbs who reputedly have some pass rush skills while jackson lives on the bubble

again a rotation of rak , kerrigan , and murphy should be a formidable trio for at least half a decade

and what about kerrigan ? are you guys saying he is elite ? if he wants elite pay are you going to take the rak stance ?

if rak lays and egg or gets hurt then his value will take a corresponding hit . but me personally what is not to like about a 3x PB player who is a model citizen on and off the field ?