skins wr who was thrown under bus by Rg3 is working out with him

[j_y19]

bottom line shanny could have made any call he wanted and he did

the rest is grassy knoll speculation

You are right. Shanahan could have and, in hindsight, should have. That's one of the reasons he is no longer here. That still doesn't absolve Robert for using the press to try and pressure Shanahan into starting him. He did. I heard it and it was blatantly clear what he was doing and why. He basically called Shanahan out and would make him look like a liar if he didn't start him. It was an immature and self serving move. Oh, and he wasn't ready. Physically, maybe. Mentally, without any practice, he was way out of sync. But he got what he wanted, he can be mentioned with AP in terms of recovery from a devastating injury.

 

[Sportster 72]

You are right. Shanahan could have and, in hindsight, should have. That's one of the reasons he is no longer here. That still doesn't absolve Robert for using the press to try and pressure Shanahan into starting him. He did. I heard it and it was blatantly clear what he was doing and why. He basically called Shanahan out and would make him look like a liar if he didn't start him. It was an immature and self serving move. Oh, and he wasn't ready. Physically, maybe. Mentally, without any practice, he was way out of sync. But he got what he wanted, he can be mentioned with AP in terms of recovery from a devastating injury.

I don't know why everyone keeps arguing with dad, he thinks Griffin was innocent and had no part in any of the things that went on. Truth is we'll probably never know. All that matters is what happens from here on out.

Everyone reconvene in two or three years and we'll know whether last year was an anomaly or the norm.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

What was wrong with the rg3 trade lions and browns have first round draft picks every year and they still suck what hurt us the most is 85 million cap space vs other teams cap space at 120 million in seahawks case 138 million so with with only 85 million cap the depth was not there rg3 is a great player playing on a team with second and third stringers just wait till rg3 gets better talent. Even arron rogers would have sucked with kyle are wrs and are ol

 

[Sharkinva]

What was wrong with the rg3 trade lions and browns have first round draft picks every year and they still suck what hurt us the most is 85 million cap space vs other teams cap space at 120 million in seahawks case 138 million so with with only 85 million cap the depth was not there rg3 is a great player playing on a team with second and third stringers just wait till rg3 gets better talent. Even arron rogers would have sucked with kyle are wrs and are ol

Not having those first round picks meant that the only way we could add premium talent was via free agency. So we end up paying more for say a starting RT, than if we had just drafted one. And we traded for him as if he were a sure fire franchise QB, and he isnt. Had we made this trade for Luck, I wouldnt have minded. But we gave up three 1st round picks for a guy who might be the next Mike Vick as if he were the next Peyton Manning.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

It took eli manning like 4 years to become a franchise qb. Same with peyton manning and many many others shit remember eli almost got traded away giants where 0-5 people was bashing him then he came to dc and won then after that 2 time sb qb point is its russell wilson did not light it up in the playoffs hell flacco did not light it up in the superbowl last year they both had good defense and running games.

 

[Sharkinva]

It took eli manning like 4 years to become a franchise qb. Same with peyton manning and many many others shit remember eli almost got traded away giants where 0-5 people was bashing him then he came to dc and won then after that 2 time sb qb point is its russell wilson did not light it up in the playoffs hell flacco did not light it up in the superbowl last year they both had good defense and running games.

Eli had actually played as a traditional Qb in college to a degree. Griffin has not had any training as a pocket QB.. ever period. And no one gave up four draft picks for Wilson or Flacco. The trade was a mistake. We traded for a franchise QB and got a kid who has ZERO pocket skills.

And we gave up a fuckton more for Griffin than the giants gave up for Eli.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

The'giants'gave'up for eli remember the chargers draft eli first

 

[Sharkinva]

The'giants'gave'up for eli remember the chargers draft eli first

And yet the Giants only gave up one extra first rounder and a couple of day two picks in the draft. We gave up 2 extra firsts and a second rounder for a kid who has ZERO skills as far as being a pocket passer. we gave up at least two extra starters for the second coming of Mike Vick.

 

[gkekoa]

RG3 is very different than Mike Vick. He's much more accurate but he's not as elusive. RG3 is a speedster but he's not shifty and quick.

 

[skinsdad62]

You are right. Shanahan could have and, in hindsight, should have. That's one of the reasons he is no longer here. That still doesn't absolve Robert for using the press to try and pressure Shanahan into starting him. He did. I heard it and it was blatantly clear what he was doing and why. He basically called Shanahan out and would make him look like a liar if he didn't start him. It was an immature and self serving move. Oh, and he wasn't ready. Physically, maybe. Mentally, without any practice, he was way out of sync. But he got what he wanted, he can be mentioned with AP in terms of recovery from a devastating injury.

that is if you believe in the grassy knoll theory BS .

i fully believe shanahan promised him if he was ready . i fully believe that he was willing to live with a slow start by Rg3 . heck some of you were willing to live with it and when it went south you did the typical fan base fickle crap and started to nit pick , parse out words and bought into silly conspiracy theories



and how come this crap wasnt brought up week one ? you guys were mum about it and were riding the glory train

and does beating AP have anything to do with this ? why cant it simply be he wanted to come back and help the team as soon as possible

is there a degree of selfishness there ? sure but no more then any other high profile qb you dont think peyton manning did everything he could to get on the field asap ? you dont think romo doesnt do that all the time ? or rodgers ? you dont think any of them dont want to start right away after an injury even if they arent quite 100% you are kidding yourself if you dont think so

see i see a guy trying to get back as soon as possible and help the team win . you guys after 20 20 hindsight believe every conspiracy theory known to man

he didnt do anything different then rose did when he got hurt when it came to commercials

the only pressure happening was a fan base and a coaching staff trying to get the franchise qb on the field earlier then perhaps he should have and now they have sour grapes when the kid couldnt do the impossible

 

[j_y19]

that is if you believe in the grassy knoll theory BS .

i fully believe shanahan promised him if he was ready . i fully believe that he was willing to live with a slow start by Rg3 . heck some of you were willing to live with it and when it went south you did the typical fan base fickle crap and started to nit pick , parse out words and bought into silly conspiracy theories



and how come this crap wasnt brought up week one ? you guys were mum about it and were riding the glory train

and does beating AP have anything to do with this ? why cant it simply be he wanted to come back and help the team as soon as possible

is there a degree of selfishness there ? sure but no more then any other high profile qb you dont think peyton manning did everything he could to get on the field asap ? you dont think romo doesnt do that all the time ? or rodgers ? you dont think any of them dont want to start right away after an injury even if they arent quite 100% you are kidding yourself if you dont think so

see i see a guy trying to get back as soon as possible and help the team win . you guys after 20 20 hindsight believe every conspiracy theory known to man

he didnt do anything different then rose did when he got hurt when it came to commercials

the only pressure happening was a fan base and a coaching staff trying to get the franchise qb on the field earlier then perhaps he should have and now they have sour grapes when the kid couldnt do the impossible

What is this grassy knoll theory BS you keep referring to? That is always your retort. yet to a person that disagrees with you on this topic, we all say we are judging him by what HE said and did and nothing else. You conveniently overlook that. I don't read the daily trash like you so I'm not familiar with this theory you keep referring to.

 

[Sportster 72]

that is if you believe in the grassy knoll theory BS .

i fully believe shanahan promised him if he was ready . i fully believe that he was willing to live with a slow start by Rg3 . heck some of you were willing to live with it and when it went south you did the typical fan base fickle crap and started to nit pick , parse out words and bought into silly conspiracy theories



and how come this crap wasnt brought up week one ? you guys were mum about it and were riding the glory train

and does beating AP have anything to do with this ? why cant it simply be he wanted to come back and help the team as soon as possible

is there a degree of selfishness there ? sure but no more then any other high profile qb you dont think peyton manning did everything he could to get on the field asap ? you dont think romo doesnt do that all the time ? or rodgers ? you dont think any of them dont want to start right away after an injury even if they arent quite 100% you are kidding yourself if you dont think so

see i see a guy trying to get back as soon as possible and help the team win . you guys after 20 20 hindsight believe every conspiracy theory known to man

he didnt do anything different then rose did when he got hurt when it came to commercials

the only pressure happening was a fan base and a coaching staff trying to get the franchise qb on the field earlier then perhaps he should have and now they have sour grapes when the kid couldnt do the impossible

Thank goodness we have you to steer us all straight.

 

[skinsdad62]

What is this grassy knoll theory BS you keep referring to? That is always your retort. yet to a person that disagrees with you on this topic, we all say we are judging him by what HE said and did and nothing else. You conveniently overlook that. I don't read the daily trash like you so I'm not familiar with this theory you keep referring to.

the grassy knoll theory deals with the Kennedy assassination some people believe there was a second shooter in the grassy knoll based on shaky evidence at best

i believe oswald was the lone shooter and he could have easily made the shots . hell i can do it easily . i do believe that oswald was part of the conspiracy though but i dont believe theer was a second shooter but lets not go down JFK lane here

My point is week one none of this 20'20 hindsight crap was going on the vast majority of this board wanted Rg3 to start the season , some said he should play in the preseason and most were willing to live with a slow start

most of you turned on him when he didnt ride in on his white stallion and took you to the promised lane

none of you said he was selfish in the off season . none of you said he was a diva in TC none of you said he forced shanny through the press to play him while this was at the beginning of the year

i didn t hear one word from you about how selfish rose was for making the same type of commercials Rg3 was making at the beginning of the year

i didnt hear any of you calling manning selfish for coming back as soon as he could from neck surgery or romo when he got his lung punctured or rogers with the broken collarbone . in each case those were guys that tried to help their team win

but when Rg3 does it and loses , well he is a selfish primadonna coach killing owner wining and dining devil in sheeps clothing , why ?

tell me jy19 that we didnt have a debate about Rg3 and his relationship with the owner ? or Rg2 advocating briles or Rg3 and film sessions ? where did you get the information from ? BLOGS Blogs that have been routinely debunked now

so how do you come off and say " i soley judged him by video when you use arguments from blogs ?

his teammates dont seem to think he has some kind of ulterior motive their words and actions speak loudly as to what kind of person they think Rg3 is . they voted him team capt twice . they voted for him for the courage award

the same wrs he supposedly "threw under the bus " have scheduled off season workouts with him

those arent the actions of guys who think he is a primadonna or a coach killer or a guy who would sell them down the road to protect his own self

those are things you ignore the actions , the things that speak louder then words

but if you want words santana moss said the team was in " awe " of his LEADERSHIP skills cofield came out and said he didnt see rg3 getting any more special treatment then anyone else with his status as qb same with morris these are the guys you say he wronged

i believe what these guys say and do because they are in the locker room they know . not some wp blogger with an agenda

i was one of the first ones to say RG3 needed more work in the pocket , and reading defenses. or did you forget my posts defending the o/line and pointing the finger at RG3 . posts in which i was routinely chastised for . remember rolling pockets and such ?

but instead i get the "your head is buried in the sand" nonsense and other poster mocking me with "glad you are here to straighten me out " swipes

i would be fine with all this if you all were saying this from the get go in the off season and such but you didnt .

everything i have put forward has been backed up . everything is very plausible but your only debating point is i am naive

i dont get why you dont support one of our guys giving it his best he tried to come out game one and help us win perhaps to early he gave us the best he could and all you guys see are ulterior motives and back room deals and BS and if he screwed up in the media and said some things he shouldnt have then so what ? he was out there trying to help us win and the press and fans wanted to shove it up his ass because of agendas and the fact that he couldnt meet unrealistic expectations

you would have me believe that the day after his injury all he thought about was how much money he could make , how he could get his coach fired and if he got in good with the owner he could run things ? and if he could throw some teammates under a bus then all the better ? and if i beat AP i can be a washington hero ? this is where i come up with the grassy knoll BS . i dont buy that line of thinking but that is what you and others want to sell me

i believe he didnt grasp what this recovery would take . in college he could out athlete everyone that he didnt understand the effect of not having a true off season and that he thought his natural talent would win out for another year . well the 23/4 yr old got a lesson . that doesnt make him a diva or a bad person it makes him young

you guys arent bashing him for his qb ability , almost all of it is is about his character . it is all based on a few snippets from a press conference and mostly blogs and almost no consideration of what his teammates do or say

if you took it all in its totality you have no conclusion to reach but it is a mountain made out of a mole hill

 

[Sportster 72]

the grassy knoll theory deals with the Kennedy assassination some people believe there was a second shooter in the grassy knoll based on shaky evidence at best

i believe oswald was the lone shooter and he could have easily made the shots . hell i can do it easily . i do believe that oswald was part of the conspiracy though but i dont believe theer was a second shooter but lets not go down JFK lane here

My point is week one none of this 20'20 hindsight crap was going on the vast majority of this board wanted Rg3 to start the season , some said he should play in the preseason and most were willing to live with a slow start

most of you turned on him when he didnt ride in on his white stallion and took you to the promised lane

none of you said he was selfish in the off season . none of you said he was a diva in TC none of you said he forced shanny through the press to play him while this was at the beginning of the year

i didn t hear one word from you about how selfish rose was for making the same type of commercials Rg3 was making at the beginning of the year

i didnt hear any of you calling manning selfish for coming back as soon as he could from neck surgery or romo when he got his lung punctured or rogers with the broken collarbone . in each case those were guys that tried to help their team win

but when Rg3 does it and loses , well he is a selfish primadonna coach killing owner wining and dining devil in sheeps clothing , why ?

tell me jy19 that we didnt have a debate about Rg3 and his relationship with the owner ? or Rg2 advocating briles or Rg3 and film sessions ? where did you get the information from ? BLOGS Blogs that have been routinely debunked now

so how do you come off and say " i soley judged him by video when you use arguments from blogs ?

his teammates dont seem to think he has some kind of ulterior motive their words and actions speak loudly as to what kind of person they think Rg3 is . they voted him team capt twice . they voted for him for the courage award

the same wrs he supposedly "threw under the bus " have scheduled off season workouts with him

those arent the actions of guys who think he is a primadonna or a coach killer or a guy who would sell them down the road to protect his own self

those are things you ignore the actions , the things that speak louder then words

but if you want words santana moss said the team was in " awe " of his LEADERSHIP skills cofield came out and said he didnt see rg3 getting any more special treatment then anyone else with his status as qb same with morris these are the guys you say he wronged

i believe what these guys say and do because they are in the locker room they know . not some wp blogger with an agenda

i was one of the first ones to say RG3 needed more work in the pocket , and reading defenses. or did you forget my posts defending the o/line and pointing the finger at RG3 . posts in which i was routinely chastised for . remember rolling pockets and such ?

but instead i get the "your head is buried in the sand" nonsense and other poster mocking me with "glad you are here to straighten me out " swipes

i would be fine with all this if you all were saying this from the get go in the off season and such but you didnt .

everything i have put forward has been backed up . everything is very plausible but your only debating point is i am naive

i dont get why you dont support one of our guys giving it his best he tried to come out game one and help us win perhaps to early he gave us the best he could and all you guys see are ulterior motives and back room deals and BS and if he screwed up in the media and said some things he shouldnt have then so what ? he was out there trying to help us win and the press and fans wanted to shove it up his ass because of agendas and the fact that he couldnt meet unrealistic expectations

you would have me believe that the day after his injury all he thought about was how much money he could make , how he could get his coach fired and if he got in good with the owner he could run things ? and if he could throw some teammates under a bus then all the better ? and if i beat AP i can be a washington hero ? this is where i come up with the grassy knoll BS . i dont buy that line of thinking but that is what you and others want to sell me

i believe he didnt grasp what this recovery would take . in college he could out athlete everyone that he didnt understand the effect of not having a true off season and that he thought his natural talent would win out for another year . well the 23/4 yr old got a lesson . that doesnt make him a diva or a bad person it makes him young

you guys arent bashing him for his qb ability , almost all of it is is about his character . it is all based on a few snippets from a press conference and mostly blogs and almost no consideration of what his teammates do or say

if you took it all in its totality you have no conclusion to reach but it is a mountain made out of a mole hill

One of the biggest errors on this board is reading comprehension. Just my opinion but you wrote a lot of what you think you heard as compared to what you actually heard in this reply dad. I could go back and restate my thoughts but what use now?

I'll say what I have said since the end of the season. Griffin had a very good rookie season, a poor 2nd year and hopefully he returns to form this year.

I have taken shots at the owner and will continue to do so. After 15 years in the league he doesn't seem to be any different than he was in year one. He makes the same mistakes over and over again. I believe we all had hopes that had changed with Shanahan here but it didn't. Why, I don't know and don't think we will ever know. We can blame QB's, LB's, coaches, assistant coaches it doesn't matter. The one constant has been Snyder. His time as owner is one of the worst in the NFL. There is no arguing that.

 

[j_y19]

Wow. I couldn't get through all this. I just lost interest. All I'll say is this. Yes, I was on the bandwagon at the beginning of the year that if RG3 was healthy, he should play. I was wrong. I didn't understand how off his timing would be with the offense or how he could be physically repaired and not mentally. I also remember most of us, with the exception of Dean, were also on that bandwagon. As for if Robert was scheming since last year to get shanahan fired, I don't believe he was and I'v never stated such. However, I do believe that Robert, and his Dad, are very concerned about robert's legacy. As such, they believe that Robert cannot achieve the greatness as a QB as a running QB. So there was a concerted effort by camp RG3 to start a campaign to pressure the SHanahan's to stop running him so much. Part of this campaign was to re-write history in terms of why he was injured and who was responsible. That started in March of last year with statements from both RG2 and RG3. Once into training camp, while RG3 may have been told by Shanahan that he was going to start week 1 if able, clearly Shanahan started to waiver on that. Shanahan must have seen that RG3, while physically able, wasn't ready. This prompted the statement in the press by Robert about the promise. If you don't think that this statement wasn't at least partly motivated by his all in for week 1 ad campaign and him not making it, your head is in the sand.

 

[gkekoa]

I was a huge RG3 supporter year one. I loved what he was saying and how he progressed.

In year 2, he became a DIVA. This didn't show up until we saw him in the season.

You can believe everything you hear in the media DAD from these guys but they are coached up on what to say.

The truth is in a man's actions.