coordinator /assistant coach thread

[skinsdad62]

Well guys, I feel that the moment it was decided that the QB was more important than the coach and by extension the rest of the team, we screwed the pooch on this one. If the defense and special teams were really the problem, then thats where we should have begun to fix things. Now we just have to deal with it and hope they made the right call. Personally i think Gruden has a two year window. If this team isnt in serious playoffs contention then, I dont think Dan will just sit back and let this play out.

i dont think it was decided the qb was more important then the HC

the HC had a 3-13 record and one winning record in 4 years the one winning record could be called a fluke

you need to get off the conspiracy CSI bandwagon and simply understand the shanahan wasnt the guy for the job

he was given 4 years and the first 3 appeared to be ok however the team jumped off the cliff last season

his team last season was routinely unprepared , didnt make adjustments at halftime or during the game , the talent fielded was subpar and mismanaged to boot . clock management was a 4 year debacle . the team was undisciplined

his coaching got him fired not the qb

 

[skinsdad62]

i dont think it was decided the qb was more important then the HC

the HC had a 3-13 record and one winning record in 4 years the one winning record could be called a fluke

you need to get off the conspiracy CSI bandwagon and simply understand the shanahan wasnt the guy for the job

he was given 4 years and the first 3 appeared to be ok however the team jumped off the cliff last season

his team last season was routinely unprepared , didnt make adjustments at halftime or during the game , the talent fielded was subpar and mismanaged to boot . clock management was a 4 year debacle . the team was undisciplined

his coaching got him fired not the qb

The fact that under Mike Shanahan the team was unable to draft an offensive lineman who can start besides Williams. Considering that his zone-blocking scheme is supposed to be able to make starters out of lower-round picks, this has to be considered a major failure of Shanahan’s time here.

 

[Sharkinva]

The fact that under Mike Shanahan the team was unable to draft an offensive lineman who can start besides Williams. Considering that his zone-blocking scheme is supposed to be able to make starters out of lower-round picks, this has to be considered a major failure of Shanahan’s time here.

So wait a minute, the fact that our rushing attack has ranked top five over the past two years, now you are saying he was a total failure as a coach?? I know you have this deep seated need to protect RG3's image and all. But this whole hold Robert blameless campaign is getting a bit old. I agree Shanahan made his fair share of mistakes. But RG3 had just as much to do with the dysfunction of the offense this year as any one. And when was the last time you saw a HC and OC get fired who had sported an offense actually considered to be good by most?? History is usually written by the victors of the conflict. In this case RG3 won. No CSI needed when a QB comes out and makes the kinds of statements he was making even before the season started. But thats water under the bridge now. He got his new coaches, he has a coach saying I wont run plays my QB isnt comfortable with. So lets see if he can produce as well as he and many others think. If we arent in serious playoffs contention by the end of 2015, I expect Gruden will be on the hot seat. And if he gets fired Griffin will officially be labeled a coach killer. But its all on him now because I think he got exactly what he wanted.

 

[j_y19]

Well guys, I feel that the moment it was decided that the QB was more important than the coach and by extension the rest of the team, we screwed the pooch on this one. If the defense and special teams were really the problem, then thats where we should have begun to fix things. Now we just have to deal with it and hope they made the right call. Personally i think Gruden has a two year window. If this team isnt in serious playoffs contention then, I dont think Dan will just sit back and let this play out.

Shark, as you know, I'm no fan of Snyder's. But I really think you are oversimplifying this thing by saying that they made a decision that the QB was more important than the HC. Shanahan made his own bed. I am not defending RG3 or some of his comments. I've been vocal on this board that he has to change, and mature, before he will reach the level of a franchise QB. Even tho RG3, and possibly Snyder, played a role in the latest melt down, Shanahan also had a significant role. The fact is he mishandled this entire situation. He didn't act like a guy in charge, he sulked, he leaked stories (or one of his hench men did), he didn't communicate like a leader should. Moreover, his record here was abysmal. I could have overlooked the record to give him some more time, but I couldn't overlook his actions (or lack of action) that contributed to the implosion. To me, it revealed a personality trait that would almost always eventually lead to such implosions. His inability to lead and communicate went beyond the RG3 fiasco. We saw it in how he handled Davis and Morgan this year. This is not to say that they were unfairly benched. But a good leader doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water which is what he did with those 2 players. Both of them were never told why they were in the dog house. We actually might have been able to trade Davis before the trade deadline to get a late round pick, but Shanahan had devalued him so much by his handling of him that no one would touch him.

The bottom line is that Shanahan deserved to get fired. Unfortunately, his son did not. Kyle is a good OC and we could have used him. I have rarely said this in the last 15 years, but Snyder made the right decision. Shanahan had to go. RG3 brings us much more upside that Mike could have at this point.

 

[Sharkinva]

j_y.... sorry dude. I agree Mike played his role in things and some of it could have been handled better. But what i see is three people (Dan, Mike and RG3) all rather arrogant and used to getting their way. And none willing to budge in the situation. From Dan I expect this, and from Mike I expect it to a degree. from a guy going into his second year and coming back off of major injury to make the kind of statements he made and push things in the direction he did. To me thats unacceptable. I think his cockiness hides underlying insecurity which is why he was so focused on starting week one. And the fact that its even been hinted that he thought the coaches were trying to undermine him is a huge red flag. I dont doubt his athletic ability. I doubt his maturity and his ability to get past his arrogance. Because I think all they did by firing Shanahan was enable his poor behavior. Now if it goes well, I doubt we see that kid again. But if things look bad early, I wont at all be shocked if we see him deflecting blame as we saw this year. Its more telling to me that his o-line would leave him laying on the ground during a game than any sound bite he might give three days after the fact.

 

[skinz2winz]

j_y.... sorry dude. I agree Mike played his role in things and some of it could have been handled better. But what i see is three people (Dan, Mike and RG3) all rather arrogant and used to getting their way. And none willing to budge in the situation. From Dan I expect this, and from Mike I expect it to a degree. from a guy going into his second year and coming back off of major injury to make the kind of statements he made and push things in the direction he did. To me thats unacceptable. I think his cockiness hides underlying insecurity which is why he was so focused on starting week one. And the fact that its even been hinted that he thought the coaches were trying to undermine him is a huge red flag. I dont doubt his athletic ability. I doubt his maturity and his ability to get past his arrogance. Because I think all they did by firing Shanahan was enable his poor behavior. Now if it goes well, I doubt we see that kid again. But if things look bad early, I wont at all be shocked if we see him deflecting blame as we saw this year. Its more telling to me that his o-line would leave him laying on the ground during a game than any sound bite he might give three days after the fact.

All I ever hear from you anymore shark is blah, blah, blah, blah... turn the page dude!

 

[Sharkinva]

All I ever hear from you anymore shark is blah, blah, blah, blah... turn the page dude!

Prove Im wrong dude. Its that simple. Im a firm believer that a mans true measure cant be taken when things are going his way. the true character comes out when things are not going his way. Now no one would disagree with me if I said Dan Snyder was stubborn, arrogant and spoiled. No one would disagree if I said the same about Shanahan. But to question the greatness of RG3 apparently is sacrilegious around here.

 

[j_y19]

j_y.... sorry dude. I agree Mike played his role in things and some of it could have been handled better. But what i see is three people (Dan, Mike and RG3) all rather arrogant and used to getting their way. And none willing to budge in the situation. From Dan I expect this, and from Mike I expect it to a degree. from a guy going into his second year and coming back off of major injury to make the kind of statements he made and push things in the direction he did. To me thats unacceptable. I think his cockiness hides underlying insecurity which is why he was so focused on starting week one. And the fact that its even been hinted that he thought the coaches were trying to undermine him is a huge red flag. I dont doubt his athletic ability. I doubt his maturity and his ability to get past his arrogance. Because I think all they did by firing Shanahan was enable his poor behavior. Now if it goes well, I doubt we see that kid again. But if things look bad early, I wont at all be shocked if we see him deflecting blame as we saw this year. Its more telling to me that his o-line would leave him laying on the ground during a game than any sound bite he might give three days after the fact.

I agree with everything you say here. However, and this is the point I think you are missing (or refuse to acknowledge), Mike was supposed to be the ultimate leader. He should have nipped RG3's attitude and comments in the bud back in March. He should have called him in and told him that what he was doing was unacceptable as a player of his and as a teammate. He didn't do this. He let it fester. The more RG3 got away with it, the more we saw of it. That crap about all in for week 1 should have been nixed from the start. Mike should have made it clear that it makes no difference to him if Robert is medically cleared or not, what was important was if Robert was prepared to lead the team as the QB and only he makes that decision. In hindsight, we all know now that he wasn't. My guess is Mike suspected that after preseason but allowed himself to be cornered in by Robert into starting week 1. Once again, much like happened in the Seattle game, Mike lost his leadership by letting others set the agenda. His excuse was that the doctor said he was all right or the Robert said he was fine. Those are data points, but that isn't all that you rely on to make personnel decisions. He abdicated his responsibilities under the excuse of Robert was medically cleared. He further abdicated his responsibilities by letting RG3 continue to set the agenda.

These errors were then compounded by the way Mike acted once the season started to implode. I won't rehash what he did, we all know. But the result of his actions (and inactions) necessitated him being let go, irregardless of RG3. Could this empower Robert more? Quite possibly. But there was no way were were winning if Mike were to stay. Its now up to Gruden to review the situation and step up and be the ultimate leader. He has a window right now that he can do this. If I were him, I would call a meeting with Robert very early and review his analysis of what happened and make it very clear to Robert that these things will not be tolerated by any player or staff member on his team. I would further set very explicit guidelines in talking to the press (and these would be sent to the entire team). Finally, I would lay out very specific penalties for violations of his team rules, starting with fines and ending with suspensions. Oh, and I would not run these by Allen or Snyder. As I said, he has a window to grab the leadership. He runs the team. Take control.

 

[skinsdad62]

So wait a minute, the fact that our rushing attack has ranked top five over the past two years, now you are saying he was a total failure as a coach?? I know you have this deep seated need to protect RG3's image and all. But this whole hold Robert blameless campaign is getting a bit old. I agree Shanahan made his fair share of mistakes. But RG3 had just as much to do with the dysfunction of the offense this year as any one. And when was the last time you saw a HC and OC get fired who had sported an offense actually considered to be good by most?? History is usually written by the victors of the conflict. In this case RG3 won. No CSI needed when a QB comes out and makes the kinds of statements he was making even before the season started. But thats water under the bridge now. He got his new coaches, he has a coach saying I wont run plays my QB isnt comfortable with. So lets see if he can produce as well as he and many others think. If we arent in serious playoffs contention by the end of 2015, I expect Gruden will be on the hot seat. And if he gets fired Griffin will officially be labeled a coach killer. But its all on him now because I think he got exactly what he wanted.

come on shark if you cant see that our o/line cant protect then what do i have to say ? the o/line coach has a 20 year record of averaging 38 sacks per game

i have given you several facts as to why shanny got fired and none of them have to do with your sorry hate conspiracies of Rg3

you didnt like the trade (fair enough) but after you spent the off season bragging to trolls on Rg3 and he let you down now you have all these little BS theories on how he got the coach fired . all of which have been debunked

the facts are shanny got fired on his record and his coaching style

one minute your excuse for haslett is shanny meddling and failing to get him talent and now its RG3 who did the firing . give me a freaking break

 

[skinsdad62]

Ike Hilliard Returns To Coach Wide Receivers

round 2 . probably not a bad hire

 

[Sharkinva]

come on shark if you cant see that our o/line cant protect then what do i have to say ? the o/line coach has a 20 year record of averaging 38 sacks per game

i have given you several facts as to why shanny got fired and none of them have to do with your sorry hate conspiracies of Rg3

you didnt like the trade (fair enough) but after you spent the off season bragging to trolls on Rg3 and he let you down now you have all these little BS theories on how he got the coach fired . all of which have been debunked

the facts are shanny got fired on his record and his coaching style

one minute your excuse for haslett is shanny meddling and failing to get him talent and now its RG3 who did the firing . give me a freaking break

You are right dude. Griffin had nothing to do with Shanahan being fired. He was just the victim in all this. Glad you set me straight on that.

As far as me defending him from trolls. Its simple, you could have the ugliest wife in the neighborhood. You can tell her daily she is a fat ugly cow. But if the neighbor you cant stand says a thing to or about her, you defend her because no matter how fat and ugly... she is still yours.

 

[skinsdad62]

You are right dude. Griffin had nothing to do with Shanahan being fired. He was just the victim in all this. Glad you set me straight on that.

As far as me defending him from trolls. Its simple, you could have the ugliest wife in the neighborhood. You can tell her daily she is a fat ugly cow. But if the neighbor you cant stand says a thing to or about her, you defend her because no matter how fat and ugly... she is still yours.

if you want me to but that Rg3 so mesmerized danny at a chilli dinner at age 23 then no i dont buy it

if you want to tell me that shanny , in part , was fired because he mishandled his star qb by failing to protect him in seatle , i will listen

but i wont listen to your hate filled, CSI theory based rants that have been debunked

shanny was fired because of his coaching style , his failures to address needs , the coaches he selected to his staffs and his player acquisitions

not because of a spoiled ,one meal eating owner back dooring , over bearing father having , 23 year old on a power trip having, coach killing qb

 

[Sharkinva]

if you want me to but that Rg3 so mesmerized danny at a chilli dinner at age 23 then no i dont buy it

if you want to tell me that shanny , in part , was fired because he mishandled his star qb by failing to protect him in seatle , i will listen

but i wont listen to your hate filled, CSI theory based rants that have been debunked

shanny was fired because of his coaching style , his failures to address needs , the coaches he selected to his staffs and his player acquisitions

not because of a spoiled ,one meal eating owner back dooring , over bearing father having , 23 year old on a power trip having, coach killing qb

Like I said dude, you win. Nothing Griffin did or said over the past year (including in the Seattle game) had any bearing on both HC and OC being fired. He was just the victim in all this. Him and poor Fred and Josh Morgan who has no idea what got him into trouble. Mike was just a meanie and brought it all on himself. As I said, you have finally shown me the light.

 

[skinsdad62]

So wait a minute, the fact that our rushing attack has ranked top five over the past two years, now you are saying he was a total failure as a coach?? I know you have this deep seated need to protect RG3's image and all. But this whole hold Robert blameless campaign is getting a bit old. I agree Shanahan made his fair share of mistakes. But RG3 had just as much to do with the dysfunction of the offense this year as any one. And when was the last time you saw a HC and OC get fired who had sported an offense actually considered to be good by most?? History is usually written by the victors of the conflict. In this case RG3 won. No CSI needed when a QB comes out and makes the kinds of statements he was making even before the season started. But thats water under the bridge now. He got his new coaches, he has a coach saying I wont run plays my QB isnt comfortable with. So lets see if he can produce as well as he and many others think. If we arent in serious playoffs contention by the end of 2015, I expect Gruden will be on the hot seat. And if he gets fired Griffin will officially be labeled a coach killer. But its all on him now because I think he got exactly what he wanted.[/QUOTE

]Get rid of the Redskins’ allergy to the end zone. The Redskins were actually ninth in the league for yards gained, but were in the bottom 10 of the league for points scored. bottom 10 in points scored is the issue

 

[skinsdad62]

The Redskins were the second worst in the league for points allowed. With 28 takeaways, you would think the Redskins would have been better at stopping opponents, but they weren’t.

more of an indictment of haslett

 

[Sharkinva]

The Redskins were the second worst in the league for points allowed. With 28 takeaways, you would think the Redskins would have been better at stopping opponents, but they weren’t.

more of an indictment of haslett

We also had 34 give aways, or 3 worst in the league for coughing it up. So unlike 2012, we gave the ball away more than we took it away. Our give aways almost doubled. And I havent even looked up how many of those give aways were inside field goal range for the opposite team.

 

[Sharkinva]

But once again you are right. Haslett is the worst human being to ever put on a coaches headset. He should have been fired along with every one else Mike Shanahan ever even looked at. It was all his fault our defense was as bad as it was, and no way should he ever coach again in the NFL. Rosanne Barr could have done a better job coaching our defense.

 

[duke1861]

But once again you are right. Haslett is the worst human being to ever put on a coaches headset. He should have been fired along with every one else Mike Shanahan ever even looked at. It was all his fault our defense was as bad as it was, and no way should he ever coach again in the NFL. Rosanne Barr could have done a better job coaching our defense.

Would you guys stop arguing. Seriously....it reminds me of the 767, Bananaman and Laz days. We were suppossed to leave all the the idiots on the ESPN board. No need to relive those days. We are all Skins fans here for crying out loud. Y

 

[Sportster 72]

No doubt the D gave up way too many points but someone is conveniently forgetting how many points were put up against STs or because of STs.

To say Haslett and the D were the problem last year is incorrect. All three phases were a problem. Too many TO's, bad D and horrendous STs.

Here is another funny. Unless you were in the halftime discussions than we have no clue what or if any changes were made at halftime. The value of Cooley being on the radio this year was having a guy that was familiar with the offense and could give a good description of what was being done and even at that he wasn't 100% sure on every play.

We as fans think we know what is going on when actually we don't know most of what is happening. We can take our best guess but we don't know for sure. We have no idea if a guy is supposed to run a 12 yard dig as opposed to a 17 yard and actually we don't know if he is supposed to even run that out. We don't know the line calls and who is responsible for who. We might recognize zone but we don't know the actual call.

I'm not trying to be rude but I see a lot of things said that there is no way we as fans can no. "The play calling sucks" ... really, what play was called? "The coaching sucks!!" How do you know? What did they coach incorrectly? Now if you say "Haslett has been a coach for 15 years and his defense has been ranked 20th or lower every year then I am buying into what you say.

 

[ehb5]

No doubt the D gave up way too many points but someone is conveniently forgetting how many points were put up against STs or because of STs.

To say Haslett and the D were the problem last year is incorrect. All three phases were a problem. Too many TO's, bad D and horrendous STs.

Here is another funny. Unless you were in the halftime discussions than we have no clue what or if any changes were made at halftime. The value of Cooley being on the radio this year was having a guy that was familiar with the offense and could give a good description of what was being done and even at that he wasn't 100% sure on every play.

We as fans think we know what is going on when actually we don't know most of what is happening. We can take our best guess but we don't know for sure. We have no idea if a guy is supposed to run a 12 yard dig as opposed to a 17 yard and actually we don't know if he is supposed to even run that out. We don't know the line calls and who is responsible for who. We might recognize zone but we don't know the actual call.

I'm not trying to be rude but I see a lot of things said that there is no way we as fans can no. "The play calling sucks" ... really, what play was called? "The coaching sucks!!" How do you know? What did they coach incorrectly? Now if you say "Haslett has been a coach for 15 years and his defense has been ranked 20th or lower every year then I am buying into what you say.

Thats my problem with him really. However I dont think shark is crazy for wanting some continuity and veteran coaching. And i would certainly rather have Gruden/McVay/Haslett then the Shannys and a new DC