coordinator /assistant coach thread

[skinsdad62]

ever since i was 14 and was browsing the espn boards every day you were the most positive poster of all time. shits changed a lot

i am a positive poster people still say a wear rose colored glasses

i am just saying the coaching at those areas are bad

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad... you are quick to throw out stats when it supports your opinion. But the reality is, the Giants WON a Super Bowl with the 31st defense in the league. The ravens WON a super bowl with a middle of the pack offense AND a middle of the pack defense. Denver and New England BOTH have defenses that are worse than ours in every measurable stat aside from points given up and yet one of these two teams will be in the Super Bow in three weeks. If our OFFENSE had been able to score some points in the first half of games instead of constantly playing from behind, who knows how this season would have played out. But that doesnt jive with the your concept does it??

yeah and more often then not teams dont win superbowls like that and last i checked neither denver or NE gives up 30 points per game

 

[Sharkinva]

yeah and more often then not teams dont win superbowls like that and last i checked neither denver or NE gives up 30 points per game

Maybe because their respective offense's rarely put them in a position to give up 30 points a game. Just a thought mind you. If Denver or New England turned the ball over as much in their own territory, I doubt we would be talking about them playing in the Super Bowl.

And for the record, Denver gives up 25 points a game. So not that far off.

 

[skinsdad62]

Maybe because their respective offense's rarely put them in a position to give up 30 points a game. Just a thought mind you. If Denver or New England turned the ball over as much in their own territory, I doubt we would be talking about them playing in the Super Bowl.

And for the record, Denver gives up 25 points a game. So not that far off.

come on shark are we going to foolishville here ? the broncos/ pats have manning and brady . do you want Rg3 to do what they do or think he can ? really ?

and havent we forgotten that 1 seatle 2 carolina 3cincy 4 saints 5 49ers and their ranks on defense ? there will be a top 5 defense in the superbowl and neither russell or kaepernick are anywhere near a manning or brady

so unless you have that type of qb you need a defense and that"we gave up 30 points a game because the offense" is foolish . our defense was bad . poor pass rush lack of communication and busted coverages were the norm

i have given you hasletts career numbers

i have given you forresters career numbers and both scream of mediocrity

blown coverages , penalties , lack of communication and tackling are coaching issues

you can say the Pats are this and the broncos are that but we arent either one of those teams

so if you accept garbage truck playing defense and that is your standard so be it it isnt mine

if you accept o lay offensive line play and that is your standard so be it . it isnt mine

if you think RG3 has suddenly become brady or manning then i am happy that you have wised up some although i think you are a little overboard

 

[Sharkinva]

According to you and many others, we have a franchise QB. So whats the problem?? And how many years did we have a top ten defense and didnt sniff a Super Bowl?? I do find it funny you were willing to accept mediocrity from players and say they just needed more time, but an average coach.... he needs to go right away. I tend to think our points per game given up had alot to do with our offense failing to score TDs when they had a chance and putting the defense in bad spots far too often. So considering you are proclaiming a Cam Newton like resurgence for RG3, it will be interesting to see how our defense does if given the players needed.

 

[skinsdad62]

According to you and many others, we have a franchise QB. So whats the problem?? And how many years did we have a top ten defense and didnt sniff a Super Bowl?? I do find it funny you were willing to accept mediocrity from players and say they just needed more time, but an average coach.... he needs to go right away. I tend to think our points per game given up had alot to do with our offense failing to score TDs when they had a chance and putting the defense in bad spots far too often. So considering you are proclaiming a Cam Newton like resurgence for RG3, it will be interesting to see how our defense does if given the players needed.

how much more time do i have to give 20 year veteran coaches shark ?

and for 4 years the offense was the cause for hasletts garbage defenses ?

and i dont care how many star players you put on defense if they blow coverages , are used improperly , commit penalties , cant communicate and cant tackle

if you brag about watching 70 films on chip kelly's offense and come out looking like the 3 stooges then what can i say ?

 

[Sharkinva]

how much more time do i have to give 20 year veteran coaches shark ?

and for 4 years the offense was the cause for hasletts garbage defenses ?

and i dont care how many star players you put on defense if they blow coverages , are used improperly , commit penalties , cant communicate and cant tackle

if you brag about watching 70 films on chip kelly's offense and come out looking like the 3 stooges then what can i say ?

Apparently the head coach doesnt agree with you.

Jay Gruden explains decision to retain Jim Haslett - ESPN

 

[skinsdad62]

Apparently the head coach doesnt agree with you.

Jay Gruden explains decision to retain Jim Haslett - ESPN

and i have said it was a mistake by him i give a damn if he agrees with me or not

 

[TCB]

and i have said it was a mistake by him i give a damn if he agrees with me or not

I give you credit skinsdad for you being vocal on this.
Keeping haslett to me seems like a "I scratched your back now you scratch mine" decision and I too hop I'm wrong. If our defense sucks hard again next year I don't think they can keep him but haslett has been dodging bullets since he got here.

I like the Byner hire too and the jets st coach looks like a detailed disciplinarian which has to be an improvement.

 

[Sharkinva]

I give you credit skinsdad for you being vocal on this.
Keeping haslett to me seems like a "I scratched your back now you scratch mine" decision and I too hop I'm wrong. If our defense sucks hard again next year I don't think they can keep him but haslett has been dodging bullets since he got here.

I like the Byner hire too and the jets st coach looks like a detailed disciplinarian which has to be an improvement.

Keeping Haslett seems more to me like a rookie HC realizing that the quickest way to turn this team around is not to blow everything up. One of Shanahans biggest mistakes was trying to change the entire team all at once and thinking it would take less than five years. While every one pines for a top ten defense, a new DC and system usually equals bottom five as we have seen in multiple places. give Haslett more talent and we will likely have a middle of the pack defense, which will give the new HC time enough to fix our broken "franchise" QB.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Keeping Haslett seems more to me like a rookie HC realizing that the quickest way to turn this team around is not to blow everything up. One of Shanahans biggest mistakes was trying to change the entire team all at once and thinking it would take less than five years. While every one pines for a top ten defense, a new DC and system usually equals bottom five as we have seen in multiple places. give Haslett more talent and we will likely have a middle of the pack defense, which will give the new HC time enough to fix our broken "franchise" QB.

 

[skinsdad62]

Keeping Haslett seems more to me like a rookie HC realizing that the quickest way to turn this team around is not to blow everything up. One of Shanahans biggest mistakes was trying to change the entire team all at once and thinking it would take less than five years. While every one pines for a top ten defense, a new DC and system usually equals bottom five as we have seen in multiple places. give Haslett more talent and we will likely have a middle of the pack defense, which will give the new HC time enough to fix our broken "franchise" QB.

the deed is done , we kept the stiff , the only thing i can do is support him because if he fails so do the skins

 

[Sharkinva]

the deed is done , we kept the stiff , the only thing i can do is support him because if he fails so do the skins

Skinsdad.... As stubborn as we can BOTH be in our opinions, you have got to be able to look at this outside of just the I hate Haslett window and realize not firing the entire defensive staff was actually smart. We have seen what happens to teams that fire the entire coaching staff. Now I think they made a mistake getting rid of Mike and Kyle, but I am glad they didnt compound that by saying we are going to make huge changes on both sides of the ball in the coaching department. Haslett isnt a HOF Coach, but he isnt the stiff you make him out to be. And reality is, a change like that on top of the offensive change would have served to do more harm than good. Like it or not, Gruden basically has until 2015 to get this team on track. A complete overhaul by a rookie HC wasnt going to accomplish that.

 

[skinsdad62]

Skinsdad.... As stubborn as we can BOTH be in our opinions, you have got to be able to look at this outside of just the I hate Haslett window and realize not firing the entire defensive staff was actually smart. We have seen what happens to teams that fire the entire coaching staff. Now I think they made a mistake getting rid of Mike and Kyle, but I am glad they didnt compound that by saying we are going to make huge changes on both sides of the ball in the coaching department. Haslett isnt a HOF Coach, but he isnt the stiff you make him out to be. And reality is, a change like that on top of the offensive change would have served to do more harm than good. Like it or not, Gruden basically has until 2015 to get this team on track. A complete overhaul by a rookie HC wasnt going to accomplish that.

shark i have seen enough of haslett . his record for 30 years is mundane . it is the same thing with you and how you couldnt stomach JC anymore even as a stop gap which i advocated

to me i have seen what he can do and i just would rather have new blood period

this isnt a one year turn around job here in DC it will be 2-3 years to build a reliable winner and not the flash in the pan type we have gotten for 20 years

the truth is we have about 10 guys who are above avg at their positions . the rest are avg or worse and the coaching at key positions is avg at best

i believe the LOS is how you build a winner and the talent and coaching in both spots are wanting if you have sub par talent you must have superior coaching . we dont

i believe in every draft we should draft one o/lineman and one d/lineman at least

 

[Sharkinva]

shark i have seen enough of haslett . his record for 30 years is mundane . it is the same thing with you and how you couldnt stomach JC anymore even as a stop gap which i advocated

to me i have seen what he can do and i just would rather have new blood period

this isnt a one year turn around job here in DC it will be 2-3 years to build a reliable winner and not the flash in the pan type we have gotten for 20 years

the truth is we have about 10 guys who are above avg at their positions . the rest are avg or worse and the coaching at key positions is avg at best

i believe the LOS is how you build a winner and the talent and coaching in both spots are wanting if you have sub par talent you must have superior coaching . we dont

i believe in every draft we should draft one o/lineman and one d/lineman at least

Look I do think its going to take at least two years to get this team right. But I think it extends that time if they had made the all sweeping change you wanted. this is bigger than just Haslett. I agree we need a talent upgrade on both lines. But the concept of just change it all and hope for the best would likely lead to it taking more time, not less to get this thing fixed. Odds are we would have ended up with either a rookie DC, or a complete system change. Likely both. I dont think Gruden made this move just to do Haslett a solid. Also dont think Haslett would have been out of work had we released him.

 

[Tdog21Skins]

So I see that we might be bringing back Ike Hilliard as our Receivers coach..which would be good.

 

[Tdog21Skins]

As for not letting Jim Haslett go..do I like the fact that we kept him? No! But I can also see why Jay Gruden would keep him

 

[skinsdad62]

Look I do think its going to take at least two years to get this team right. But I think it extends that time if they had made the all sweeping change you wanted. this is bigger than just Haslett. I agree we need a talent upgrade on both lines. But the concept of just change it all and hope for the best would likely lead to it taking more time, not less to get this thing fixed. Odds are we would have ended up with either a rookie DC, or a complete system change. Likely both. I dont think Gruden made this move just to do Haslett a solid. Also dont think Haslett would have been out of work had we released him.

i dont think it would have extended it at all that is pure speculation . he stinks , he will always stink

that being said i will not root for his failure and if by some chance he can field his 2nd top 10 defense in 17 years (18 if he does ) then i can eat crow with the best of them and will do so gladly

 

[Sharkinva]

i dont think it would have extended it at all that is pure speculation . he stinks , he will always stink

that being said i will not root for his failure and if by some chance he can field his 2nd top 10 defense in 17 years (18 if he does ) then i can eat crow with the best of them and will do so gladly

You have already assumed he will fail. And I could care less if its the 30th ranked defense if the team finishes in the top ten TEAMs in the league and in the playoffs.

You say some of us have set expectations too high for the QB, but if the defense doesnt finish top ten in the league (even without the actual talent to be top ten) you consider the Coach a failure. You do realize 90% of the teams Has has been DC for are also the high flying fast paced Offenses that tend to leave the defense on the field alot right?

 

[skinsdad62]

You have already assumed he will fail. And I could care less if its the 30th ranked defense if the team finishes in the top ten TEAMs in the league and in the playoffs.

You say some of us have set expectations too high for the QB, but if the defense doesnt finish top ten in the league (even without the actual talent to be top ten) you consider the Coach a failure. You do realize 90% of the teams Has has been DC for are also the high flying fast paced Offenses that tend to leave the defense on the field alot right?

there will be one top 5 defense in the superbowl this year

seatle 1 panthers 2 3 cincy 4 saints , 5 49ers

all those teams are playoff teams

and i do not base my expectations of haslett on last year alone shark i dont buy the excuse that he had bad talent on defense for 17 freaking years shark . sell that to some one else i dont want to hear about the high flying rams and steelers offenses crap either he stinks period and you wont change my opinion period

his defense last year routinely blew coverages , missed tackles , had poor communication, he misused his players . often the defense was unprepared for the team he was facing that isnt because he lacked talent