Thoughts on this 14 player three way deal

[richig07]

Well, if you guys feel that strongly about Brown. Perhaps I'll keep him. The manager for team #2 wanted to keep PT for this week to plug into his flex, as he has bye week issues.

I haven't traded him yet.

 

[richig07]

and when crabtree comes back he can be a fantasy WR2... you gave up all your potential for 2 downgrades to what you originaly had...

Chris Johnson is a downgrade from D-Will in a Panthers backfield with Tolbert and Stewart? lol... okay.

Let's not also act like Charles is head and shoulders above McCoy. Especially considering McCoy is a 4th round keeper. IMO, I got rid of D-Jax while he still had WR1 value, which he won't for much longer.

 

[SmokingMonkey]

I say PT and Brown are toss ups right now, but I would also say that the competition that Brown has in NY is WAY WAY WAY less talented than the competition PT has in NO.

You almost have to assume that Wilson will be out a few more weeks with the neck injury and the fact that he has played like shit this year. So Brown is coming back to a very favorable situation. Unfortunately for PT, all he has done is produce, but still, NO works the ball to so many different options in the running and passing game.

Brown is the high potential play, PT is the safety play. You make the call on that one.

 

[richig07]

and when crabtree comes back he can be a fantasy WR2... you gave up all your potential for 2 downgrades to what you originaly had...

Crabtree comes back with one month left in the fantasy season, and will likely be eased in. Even then, will likely play second fiddle to Boldin for a while.

Yeah, I'm not too worried about it. It's rare that a player comes back that late in the season and all of the sudden picks up where he left off.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

Says the Giants fan.

Just saying, that Giants backfield is as unclear, if not a bigger mess than New Orleans.

Who is PT second to? Would it be Darren Sproles? Who didn't have a single carry or gain a single yard in their last game, while PT has 15 carries?

I don't think so...............Brown is gonna be the man and either Jacobs or Hillis will go bye bye as soon as Brown shows he can take over..........probably in the first half of his first game back. PT? Hey, he has had a lot better year than I thought he would (I actually had Ingram as the back to own besides Sproles) but the inconsistancy is gonna drive you nuts IMO. Last year when Ahmad Bradshaw was out Brown's lines were week 2 13-71-1 with receiving of 2-19-0 and week 3 20-113-2 with another 3-17-0. The rest of the season he did OK but was playing 2nd fiddle to Bradshaw. Now, if Brown isn't right when he comes back then I can see your point but from what I've been reading all systems are go.

 

[wilwhite]

I don't really hate it, or love it, for anybody.

McCoy/Charles is close to a wash, and it looks like the keeper rules heavily favor McCoy.

I think DWill, Andre Brown and Frenchie are all about even going forward. Three weeks ago I would have said Brown was head and shoulders above the other two, but Hillis will cut into passing downs and maybe goal-line work (and if he's gone, something from Jacobs), and Wilson looked like he'd be out longer but will be back pretty soon, and was coming out of the doghouse when he went down (Coughlin is hard on inexperienced players, but I think Wilson is getting past that); Coughlin isn't big on the feature back idea anyway. DWill averaged 21 carries in September but only 13 in October, and Stewart is coming back. Hard to know what's in store for Frenchie's workload week-to-week, but it will be hard to trust any of them.

Chris Johnson looks like a bust as a high-end RB2, but that's wrong. He's the #18 fantasy RB if you don't account for his bye (#15 if you do), even though he had a brutal schedule for the last four weeks. He's not what he was, but he gets his touches (usually making up something in receptions when he's smothered on the ground) and he doesn't miss games. He should be a top-notch RB2 the rest of the way. Forget CJ2K and accept CJ1K for what he is.

For OP's team, I kind of see it as giving DJAX, Crabtree and DWill for CJ1K. Not great, but if he has the WR depth it's okay, and the keeper value in McCoy makes up the difference (some of DJAX's success this year is circumstantial and may evaporate next year with Maclin back and who-knows-what happening at QB and offensive mindset in the off season).

 

[tlance]

I am with Wil on this.

Richig is hurting his chances of making a late push this year, but getting McCoy as a a 4th round keeper could help him win next year. DJax has value as a 6th rounder, but not anywhere close to McCoy's. This is a great deal for the long term thinker, but it will probably sting down the stretch this season.

If there is any way you could keep McCoy and flip the rest of your assets for another good RB keeper, I would try to do it. Maybe wait and see if you get a win this week first.

 

[tlance]

Also,

keep in mind that McCoy is significantly more valuable than Charles in this deal because of his keeper status. Charles may help somebody win a title right now, but if he can't be retained he only gives his owners 1 shot. McCoy can help next year and for however long he is allowed to be kept.

 

[richig07]

I am with Wil on this.

Richig is hurting his chances of making a late push this year, but getting McCoy as a a 4th round keeper could help him win next year. DJax has value as a 6th rounder, but not anywhere close to McCoy's. This is a great deal for the long term thinker, but it will probably sting down the stretch this season.

If there is any way you could keep McCoy and flip the rest of your assets for another good RB keeper, I would try to do it. Maybe wait and see if you get a win this week first.

Yeah, at 3-5, and now losing Blackmon. I'm probably thinking for the future anyway.

We play a progressive keeper. You keep one guy as you move along from each year, in the slot you selected him in. We started doing this in 2010. Right now, this is how my keepers look.

2010 - No one

2011 - LeSean McCoy in the 4th (Also, have Matt Ryan in the 7th, who I can include in a trade to a guy looking for a keeper from 2011)

2012 - No one

2013 - Justin Blackmon in the 13th

If I lose this week, my thought was to start shopping CJ2K, Matt Ryan, PT, and whoever else for keepers from 10 and 12. My buddy is looking to trade V-Jax, who was a 9th round pick in 2010. He's 30, but that's pretty good value. I think I could get him pretty reasonably.

 

[TKOSpikes]

Yeah, at 3-5, and now losing Blackmon. I'm probably thinking for the future anyway.

We play a progressive keeper. You keep one guy as you move along from each year, in the slot you selected him in. We started doing this in 2010. Right now, this is how my keepers look.

2010 - No one

2011 - LeSean McCoy in the 4th (Also, have Matt Ryan in the 7th, who I can include in a trade to a guy looking for a keeper from 2011)

2012 - No one

2013 - Justin Blackmon in the 13th

If I lose this week, my thought was to start shopping CJ2K, Matt Ryan, PT, and whoever else for keepers from 10 and 12. My buddy is looking to trade V-Jax, who was a 9th round pick in 2010. He's 30, but that's pretty good value. I think I could get him pretty reasonably.

quite a day for CJ! looking good for this week anyway richig.. maybe you're still playing for the present!

so how many keepers do you have? I'm confused...

 

[richig07]

quite a day for CJ! looking good for this week anyway richig.. maybe you're still playing for the present!

so how many keepers do you have? I'm confused...

Yeah, thanks. Looks like I might pull this one out. I'm up 27 points and my opponent has Alshon Jeffery and Boynkin tomorrow night. I'm not in the clear, but I feel relatively confident.

To answer the question about keepers.

We play what we call a "progressive keeper". We started doing this in 2010. You can keep ONE player from each year as you move along. You keep the player in the slot that he was drafted in. Whether you drafted him, or you traded for the player is irrelevant. As long as he was drafted, and not dropped during the season.

So, since I drafted Justin Blackmon in the 13th round this season. He would be a valuable keeper, as I get to keep him in the 13th round of next year's draft, and for as many years as I choose to hold onto him. I also just traded for LeSean McCoy, who is still a keeper from the 2011 draft. When he was taken in the 4th round. So he's my 4th round pick for next season if I choose to keep him, which I definitely will.

I don't have keepers from 2010 or 2012. So if I lose one of the next couple games, I'll be looking to trade talent for keepers from those years. In order to boost my outlook for next season.