RG III: Ware is NFL's "Scariest" Defensive Player

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The worst part is you are arguing on the wrong end of your own lie...



You are so fucking lost when it comes to this its beyond hilarious, come on clown, make me laugh some more...

Article with player interviews on very topic from 2012.

The NFL's Make-Believe Stat - WSJ.com

But let's pretend for a minute the stat is 100% accurate. The fact Harrison has so many more tackles is basically 2 fewer seasons in starts, backs me not you.

 

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Article with player interviews on very topic from 2012.

The NFL's Make-Believe Stat - WSJ.com

But let's pretend for a minute the stat is 100% accurate. The fact Harrison has so many more tackles is basically 2 fewer seasons in starts, backs me not you.

LOL, so now you are going to try and back away from it by saying "well if that's the case then I guess I'm right"?

1. It is an official stat, so you can stop with that bullshit already. Doesn't matter if Ray Lewis acquired an extra half dozen a game when the Ravens were at home, its still an official stat.

2. I already went over this with you but let's try and see if I can dumb it down for you:
James was on a better team.
James had a better LB against the run on the other side.
James had teams run at him because he was the weak point in the defense in the ground game.
(these are things you should know 'Steelers Fan')

3. If the stat is as flawed as you argue it is then it is flawed for everyone.

Teams typically don't run at Ware, he's the best player on the defense, teams ran at Harrison to run away from Woodley, Timmons and Troy who were all on the other side of the field.

Now, if you don't watch a lot of football I know these concepts might seem foreign but it is pretty basic fucking football so I don't mind helping a novice like you understand the game better.

 

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LOL, so now you are going to try and back away from it by saying "well if that's the case then I guess I'm right"?

1. It is an official stat, so you can stop with that bullshit already. Doesn't matter if Ray Lewis acquired an extra half dozen a game when the Ravens were at home, its still an official stat.

2. I already went over this with you but let's try and see if I can dumb it down for you:
James was on a better team.
James had a better LB against the run on the other side.
James had teams run at him because he was the weak point in the defense in the ground game.
(these are things you should know 'Steelers Fan')

3. If the stat is as flawed as you argue it is then it is flawed for everyone.

Teams typically don't run at Ware, he's the best player on the defense, teams ran at Harrison to run away from Woodley, Timmons and Troy who were all on the other side of the field.

Now, if you don't watch a lot of football I know these concepts might seem foreign but it is pretty basic fucking football so I don't mind helping a novice like you understand the game better.

Pure comedy. 1. Timmons is in the middle go right or left your not avoiding him. 2. Troy free lances and lines up on both sides of the defense. 3. Harrison is widely considered one of the best run stuffing OLBs in the game, Woodley isn't. 4. Traditionally the ROLB of the steelers in the run stuffing play making LB. Look at the history. 5. If you were a true fan you would not be making such ignorant posts about the Steelers and in practicular the defense.

 

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Pure comedy. 1. Timmons is in the middle go right or left your not avoiding him. 2. Troy free lances and lines up on both sides of the defense. 3. Harrison is widely considered one of the best run stuffing OLBs in the game, Woodley isn't. 4. Traditionally the ROLB of the steelers in the run stuffing play making LB. Look at the history. 5. If you were a true fan you would not be making such ignorant posts about the Steelers and in practicular the defense.

LMAO, WOW YOU ARE AS DUMB AS YOU POST!!!

This is fucking great, I love idiots like you, it makes my day!

Timmons plays the???
Harrison is considered by who to be one of the best run-stuffers in the game???
Traditionally, really??? LMAO!!!

You don't have any clue about the team you fucking claim to follow

Ok dumbass, here's your answers:

There is no true MLB in a 3-4, its a split duty with one player shifted to either side, typically labeled LILB (left inside LB) and RILB (right inside LB).

Timmons lines up in both spots, depending on the play call.

If you run to the outside of the tackle you are avoiding the ILB to begin with but depending on which spot he is lined up in you can run over or under guard to the opposite side and still be avoiding him.

As for Troy, he will shift to the other side but not in the base package (goalline/shortage he will) because he has containment in the passing game on the back and under on his side of the field so to say that Troy will just switch sides in the standard formation is another one of your lies, they're adding up fast Pinocchio.

As for Harrison the great 'run-stuffer', the major reason why he could not make the Pittsburgh or Baltimore roster is because HE COULD NOT SHED BLOCKERS IN THE GROUND GAME!!!

Harrison got tagged as a great run stuffer by Jim Wexell who looked at tackle numbers and used them the same way you are trying to. Even Ed Bouchette and Ron Cook both said that it is a bold stretch of the truth to call Harrison one of the better run OLBs in the game, and these are guys that watch him play for a living.

These are all Pittsburgh reporters, forgot you wouldn't know that.

Harrison and Worilds were both so bad at stuffing the run over the last 2 seasons that it has kept Timmons lined up on their side of the field more often than not to try and compensate.

Traditionally the Steelers ROLB in the 3-4 era is the pass rush specialist, holy shit are you a stupid fuck, go look at the list dumbass!!!

Greg Lloyd
Jason Gildon
Joey Porter

These guys were pass rushers first, run defenders second...

Any other lies you want to try and throw out there just to work your agenda .

 

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LOL, report any posts lately...

 

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Um for what it's worth I have no idea to who or what I would report a post to? As for being clueless about said teams people root for, me thinks that maybe you. You lose all credibility when you claim Gildon played ROLB he played LOLB his whole career. That was because Lloyd was a better backer in all aspects of the game, same with Porter later on. As for no MLB in a 34 your right there isn't one there is two. And they will flip according to how the offense lines up not the defensive call. In other words a Strong and weak side. Or they can just play right or left, depending on team. Troy plays all over he lines up both right side and left side, he plays like a safety and a extra LB. but again to claim Gildon was a ROLB exposed how stupid you truly are here.

 

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RG3 must have meant around the league other than his team. Clearly he had no problem with him in the two games he saw him. Looked rather average actually. Maybe Ware is beginning to slow down.

 

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Oh I almost forgot. Looks like not only you need to argue with websters about the definition of lie. But now you need to pick a fight with stat keepers as well. Gildon clearly labeled LOLB.

Jason Gildon NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

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And to further hammer home my point going back from 1990 to now. The LOLB side has only had more tackles than the ROLB position 4 times. The right OLB has traditionally been the more complete of the OLBs in the Steelers scheme. All the way back to Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd, to Gildon & Porter, to Emmons/Porter to yes Woodley & Harrison. Thanks for playing you brightened up my Monday.

 

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And to further hammer home my point going back from 1990 to now. The LOLB side has only had more tackles than the ROLB position 4 times. The right OLB has traditionally been the more complete of the OLBs in the Steelers scheme. All the way back to Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd, to Gildon & Porter, to Emmons/Porter to yes Woodley & Harrison. Thanks for playing you brightened up my Monday.

bwahahahaha

So you are going to try and right off all of your lies by repeating what I posted about YOU not knowing the difference in the 3-4 having 2 ILBs instead of a MLB.

http://http://www.sportshoopla.com/...-scariest-defensive-player-4.html#post3449470

Nice try toots, I schooled you on that, not the other way around.

What is that, lie number 6?

When the Steelers transitioned from Lloyd to Porter guess who played the ROLB as well as the LOLB nancy boy?

That's right, Jason Gildon, so while he is listed as the LOLB for those years he played both sides along with Carlos Emmons (ineffective in the pass rush forcing them to use Gildon on both sides) and a split time with Porter until he was considered the guy on that side.

Again, if you were a fan of the team you would already know this, just because you google the guys history it doesn't show how he was used on the field. Right now you will see Timmons listed as the RILB because of how much time he spent their last season covering Worilds and Harrison's ass in the run game, but he is technically the LILB with the responsibilities of setting the D and being the anchor, a job that he and Foote are sharing because of Timmons constant switch in the middle.

And again, you are lying about Troy, he does not move all over the field in the base package. He has responsibility on his half of the field, Clark on the other. If you are going to talk football you realize that you can't just make shit up, people are going to point out your lies dumbass.

You have a failed argument that you have tried to back with lie after lie only to try and change the talking point each time.

Anything else sunshine?

Just try and type something without having to lie and back your argument...

 

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And to further hammer home my point going back from 1990 to now. The LOLB side has only had more tackles than the ROLB position 4 times. The right OLB has traditionally been the more complete of the OLBs in the Steelers scheme. All the way back to Kevin Greene and Greg Lloyd, to Gildon & Porter, to Emmons/Porter to yes Woodley & Harrison. Thanks for playing you brightened up my Monday.

Carlos Emmons never played the LOLB opposite Porter dumbass, Porter was a special teams demon in 99, the last season Carlos played for Pittsburgh. Porter saw increased time as the season went on making the move for Gildon to go back to being strictly on the left.

Is that lie number 7 or 8 now, I'm losing track...

 

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Um I thought the steelers didn't have a MLB? Now they do or are you just play semantics here dip shit! Again your were exposed as a tool bag over the Gildon statement and clearly not knowing what the role is of the OLBS and what side the better of the two will usually play.

 

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Um I thought the steelers didn't have a MLB? Now they do or are you just play semantics here dip shit! Again your were exposed as a tool bag over the Gildon statement and clearly not knowing what the role is of the OLBS and what side the better of the two will usually play.

I pointed out to you that there are 2 ILBs, you tried to claim Timmons was the MLB, you don't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3, its all there in your posts.

Keep lying though, you are building yourself a helluva reputation...

 

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I pointed out to you that there are 2 ILBs, you tried to claim Timmons was the MLB, you don't know the difference between a 3-4 and a 4-3, its all there in your posts.

Keep lying though, you are building yourself a helluva reputation...

I believe I said he played in the middle but again playing semantics. Also 1998 -1999 Emmons was ROLB Gildon LOLB. Then Porter took over the spot. Prior it was Lloyd. There was no move for Gildon he was a LOLB during his career.

 

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I believe I said he played in the middle but again playing semantics. Also 1998 -1999 Emmons was ROLB Gildon LOLB. Then Porter took over the spot. Prior it was Lloyd. There was no move for Gildon he was a LOLB during his career.

Again, showing that you don't follow the team, just google it up and hope it backs your argument.

If you followed the the Steelers you would know how much Gildon was moved around on the field during the years between Lloyd and Porter, he was listed as the LOLB but he played the right more than not when Emmons was there as well as playing the right during 96 the year that Lloyd injured his knee.

The reason for the move? Pittsburgh likes to attack the edge more on the right and run support more on the left, all you have to do is look at the players they have on the roster in those positions right now and its obvious.

Keep trying, I can't wait to see what you try and sell next...

 

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Pretty sure he hasn't faced JJ Watt yet......

it only took 4 posts for butthurt Houston to show up

 

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Teams typically don't run at Ware, he's the best player on the defense, teams ran at Harrison to run away from Woodley, Timmons and Troy who were all on the other side of the field.

Tonight's first defensive series just proved how clueless you are again.

 

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Let's look at what you have done so far...

First you said that stats were, than were not an official stat.

I called you on it, then you backed the wrong end of your lie by saying they were not.

Then you posted an article saying the stat is tainted only to try and use it to back your failed argument.

Then you try to back your argument by lying about Troy's responsibilities, Timmons being a MLB and claiming that the Steelers ROLB is the run stuffer.

Oh yeah, and don't forget about trying to sell that it was you who explained to me the ILBs when I had to explain it to you several posts earlier.

Report a post in there somewhere?

Then you tried to sell that you knew all about Gildon's career because you looked it up on pro-football reference.

Am I missing anything here?

I'll give you credit for one thing, you are first class at making shit up as you go...

 

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Tonight's first defensive series just proved how clueless you are again.

LMAO, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT ONE RUN IN A PRESEASON GAME?

 

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That ices it dude, you are fucking clueless about football.

Ok have fun, I'll catch up with you some other time I catch you spreading your bullshit on the boards.