KEEPER LEAGUE: Better Career?

[Sox33OSU]

Was gonna bring up the THill part...but I know 8'm biased in my belief that he'll never,ever develop into a real true NFL QB...so I didn't feel like getting into that

Really? I thought he really started to come on late in the season, especially with the garbage he had to throw to out there. I think he will end up putting up better stats than Dalton this year, TBH.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Thankfully, in fantasyland, how you play in the real playoffs doesn't effect your value here, n9r the value if the RB/WR/TE'S...jjlust ask Tony Romo. Bottom line..we're talking straight up fantasy value...theres no arguing that Dalton is good enough that he doesn't negatively effect his supporting cast in the least

With everything there (Green, Eiffert, Gresham, Sanu, Hawkins, Bernard, BJGE), there is 0 reason in the world Dalton shouldn't throw for 3800/33/13, and that's on the conservative side.

 

[TREFF]

With everything there (Green, Eiffert, Gresham, Sanu, Hawkins, Bernard, BJGE), there is 0 reason in the world Dalton shouldn't throw for 3800/33/13, and that's on the conservative side.

I have two very good reasons...#1. All but BJGE were 2nd yr or rookies last year #2 Marvin Lewis isn't exactly an offensive genius.

 

[TREFF]

Really? I thought he really started to come on late in the season, especially with the garbage he had to throw to out there. I think he will end up putting up better stats than Dalton this year, TBH.

Well Ive been dead wrong before, and I'm sure I will be again..but outside of that 440 yd game abberation, with only one TD BTW, I saw no 300 yds, no games with more than 2 tds...granted his WRs largely were nobodies..but the team was often behind, and the running game was largely hit or miss..and he never stepped up. I just don't see in him what I see in Andy Dalton.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Well Ive been dead wrong before, and I'm sure I will be again..but outside of that 440 yd game abberation, with only one TD BTW, I saw no 300 yds, no games with more than 2 tds...granted his WRs largely were nobodies..but the team was often behind, and the running game was largely hit or miss..and he never stepped up. I just don't see in him what I see in Andy Dalton.

A reliable stable of weapons and a solid offensive line?

He definitely has the weapons this season. He has a better arm, and is more athletic as well. Dalton, with way better weapons, only had three 300 yard games and also had 9 games with 1TD or less... and once again, with WAY, WAY better weapons. This will be a big year for Tannehill in seeing how he can progress. He has the tools to succeed. We'll see if he uses them.

 

[The Foot]

I hate to barge into this convo but here is my two sense. Dalton is a very good game manager. I love how he leads his wrs. he never puts them in harms way. And I think Dalton could be a BIGTIME sleeper what with all those awesone things to throw too. With the addition of Tyler Eifert he better have a good year. Now one could argue that if Mark Sanchez was on the bengals he would be just as good if not better than Dalton. Heck anyone throwing to AJ Green could be a star. just look at what happened in the pro bowl when an elite QB was throwing to him. He had 3 TDs against all pro defenders.

Now I should state that I am a Dolphins fan here for those of you that don't know so keep that in mind. But I would feel very comfortable advising anyone and everyone to draft Thill ahead of Dalton no matter what. He had NOBODY to throw to last year and still beat defences for very solid numbers. This year the Dolphins brought in a bonified number one and a very solid TE plus a pretty great number 2 wr and heartline is solid as a third wr. The only question is the line in Miami. But Tannehill's number will skyrocket with Brand new wrs he was given! Again I am a Dolphin fan and i though Ted Ginn Jr. was gonna be the next Jerry Rice so I have been wrong before!

 

[TKOSpikes]

Sorry Foot, Mike Wallace isn't a bonafide #1. He's a rich man's Torrey Smith, IMO. And I really can't take any endorsement for any Fins from you, as I heard the same thing about Tanny last year and watched him throw 12 TD's. Wallace isn't gonna increase his production by more than double the TD's to get anywhere near 30, and he doesn't run, therefore, he's not a fantasy QB.

 

[TKOSpikes]

... but I wish I had the same excitement for my E.J. Manuel as you do with your Fins! And our rookie WR, Goodwin, could be the fastest player in the NFL right now... but more of a special teamer, 4th WR (real depth, not fantasy 4th). I think the Bills not getting to the playoffs since the turn of the century takes a toll on one's expectations.

 

[TREFF]

Now one could argue that if Mark Sanchez was on the bengals he would be just as good if not better than Dalton. Heck anyone throwing to AJ Green could be a star.

Kevin Kolb, John Skelton, Derrick Anderson (who actually was nearly a star throwing to basically no one one year), and Matt Lienhardt...all threw to Larry Fitzgerald. Arguably the mist gifted WR in the league, including CJ.. point definitively disproven. Soon to add to that list, Carson 0almer

 

[TREFF]

A reliable stable of weapons and a solid offensive line?

He definitely has the weapons this season. He has a better arm, and is more athletic as well. Dalton, with way better weapons, only had three 300 yard games and also had 9 games with 1TD or less... and once again, with WAY, WAY better weapons. This will be a big year for Tannehill in seeing how he can progress. He has the tools to succeed. We'll see if he uses them.

Well..let's reset for a moment, keeping the original purpose of this thread in mind.

You are openly debating that Cincy has the mire reliable supporting cast/weapons. You give Cincy the better Oline..you have not disputed that Dalton is "good enough" Now..surely you also wouldn't argue that all of Cincy's WR'S/TE's are younger, and it would stand to reason they should be intact and together longer than Maimi's correct? Given Joe's nearly flawless theory that a great QB doesn't help a RB any more than a mediocre-good one does (actually the reverse is often true) ..but given that..it doesnt matter whether THill is better than Dalton..just that either are mediocre-good..right?

So, with your arguments trying to make THill out to be a victim of a talent drained team..why is that you think Miller is a better long term choice than Bernard again??

 

[Barilko]

but I. don't think he has the potential Tennehill has

is foot incognito....

 

[The Foot]

lol

 

[The Foot]

I must admit this sox330su dude is pretty cool!

 

[The Foot]

I still stand by my claims that T-hill will be better than Luck and RG3 and before anyone says anything. I know that is a lot to except with totally blowing all my credability or what I have left, lol. Just think T-hill has so much raw talent. And by far posses the strongest arm of the three. But I have no intention of ruffling any feathers here and really am not interested in debating this further until a few years have passed and we can see how it works out.

For now i am not going to advertise that for fear of getting my head handed to me but i do think T-hill is that good or will be posibly as soon as this year. Of course I have Kaeps and Wilson even higher that T-hill, Luck, and RG3 combined.

 

[averagejoe]

6. Other

Here's an "other" name for you. Consider Stephan Taylor in Zona. Ryan Williams is currently the RB2 but he just needed an injection in his knee. (Rotoworld has details.) Seems like Williams will have trouble staying healthy. I don't trust Mendy to last the whole season either. Taylor could be in for some carries by default.

 

[Sox33OSU]

Well..let's reset for a moment, keeping the original purpose of this thread in mind.

You are openly debating that Cincy has the mire reliable supporting cast/weapons. You give Cincy the better Oline..you have not disputed that Dalton is "good enough" Now..surely you also wouldn't argue that all of Cincy's WR'S/TE's are younger, and it would stand to reason they should be intact and together longer than Maimi's correct? Given Joe's nearly flawless theory that a great QB doesn't help a RB any more than a mediocre-good one does (actually the reverse is often true) ..but given that..it doesnt matter whether THill is better than Dalton..just that either are mediocre-good..right?

So, with your arguments trying to make THill out to be a victim of a talent drained team..why is that you think Miller is a better long term choice than Bernard again??

Because Tannehill WAS on a talent drained team. It looks as if ownership down in MIA actually gives a shit now, as they've done a solid job surrounding him with some new talent (Wallace, Gibson when healthy, Keller), while also putting together a sneaky good defense. Cincy has better talent still, but the gap is WAY smaller now. Also, and to go back to the OP, I think Miller is a better RB than Bernard. He's a physical freak who is incredibly explosive. Bernard is also an explosive playmaker, but he's got a huge challenge in being a main bellcow sort of RB because of his small frame and short arms. He'll need another RB to supplement him, Miller won't. I could very well see Miller having a Doug Martin-esque season this year, to be honest. I'd compare those two in style in skillset, while Bernard reminds me more of a Reggie Bush or Darren Sproles - guys who will make plays and get catches, but you have to worry about consistent results. That is just my opinion, so don't take it as gospel. That's just how I see it right now.

 

[Sox33OSU]

I must admit this sox330su dude is pretty cool!

This guy gets it

I still stand by my claims that T-hill will be better than Luck and RG3 and before anyone says anything. I know that is a lot to except with totally blowing all my credability or what I have left, lol. Just think T-hill has so much raw talent. And by far posses the strongest arm of the three. But I have no intention of ruffling any feathers here and really am not interested in debating this further until a few years have passed and we can see how it works out.

For now i am not going to advertise that for fear of getting my head handed to me but i do think T-hill is that good or will be posibly as soon as this year. Of course I have Kaeps and Wilson even higher that T-hill, Luck, and RG3 combined.

I will say that I also think Tannehill could end up being a very good QB with his size, arm and athletic ability. If he is properly developed, Miami may finally have a consistent starter for the first time in 2 decades. I could see him being better than RG3 for the simple fact that I don't think RG3 is gonna be in the league for much longer with his injuries, but I think Luck is going to be looking at every other QB in the rearview mirror by 2016. He really is a truly amazing talent, and the Colts fans are definitely fortunate to have him (I avoided saying "lucky to have him" just because I didn't want to make such a douchey pun).

 

[wilwhite]

I think it's too early to judge Tannehill. For somebody who played QB as little as he did (only two years in high school, too) I thought he was pretty solid last year - but no more excuses now: who we see this year is who he can be.

The bet with Foot was shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[Sam Sportboy]

This guy gets it

Added to the list...............

Guess I shouldn't make a smart assed comment without adding something so.......oh hell I have nothing. This year Miller future I still say Bernard.

 

[TREFF]

Guilt by association it shall be than...too bad.