sick of NCAA /Amateurism talk

[MarkOU]

Do you not agree?

Most of these schools are state funded and I help out buying tickets well I'm tired of funding their trips to games far away. They want to fly, pay for their own tickets. They can deduct it out of their paychecks.

 

[starbigd]

No, I do not agree.

I guess I'm just not as narrow minded as some here. I've already stated......we're not even talking ALL athletes.....we're only talking the ones the schools/NCAA is directly profiting from.

And again......we're only talking maybe 2, 5 grand tops. I'll keep using Kevin Ware as an example.

They are specifically selling his number on Final Four shirts to capitalize off his injury. Those shirts are 25 bucks. The school probably gets a 10% royalty per shirt, but probably only off the gross cost, which is most likely less than half the selling cost. So we're talking somewhere in the range of 1.25-1.50 a shirt. They aren't going to sell a million of those shirts.

I figure Kevin should get half of that. After all, that shirt nor sales of it don't exist without him. They can simply put that money in a trust or something for when he graduates.

But it should still be HIS MONEY. After all, HE EARNED IT.

I have zero problems paying people that earn their money.

 

[MarkOU]

No, I do not agree.

I guess I'm just not as narrow minded as some here. I've already stated......we're not even talking ALL athletes.....we're only talking the ones the schools/NCAA is directly profiting from.

And again......we're only talking maybe 2, 5 grand tops. I'll keep using Kevin Ware as an example.

They are specifically selling his number on Final Four shirts to capitalize off his injury. Those shirts are 25 bucks. The school probably gets a 10% royalty per shirt, but probably only off the gross cost, which is most likely less than half the selling cost. So we're talking somewhere in the range of 1.25-1.50 a shirt. They aren't going to sell a million of those shirts.

I figure Kevin should get half of that. After all, that shirt nor sales of it don't exist without him. They can simply put that money in a trust or something for when he graduates.

But it should still be HIS MONEY. After all, HE EARNED IT.

I have zero problems paying people that earn their money.

So you want to pay just a select few of the athletes.

Well IMO thats as selfish as it gets. Fuck the TEAM, its all about me. You can even spell it tEaM. <---ME

 

[Uman5]

Star, you know these kids get treated like royalty. Plus they get a free education, a head start on the better jobs from grateful alumni, etc. I've been guilty of it too; I have hired kids just because they were OU players instead of someone else who would have done just as well at what they were hired to do. I just can't shake the feeling that somewhere along the line these kids need to have some respect and be grateful for the chances they are being given. Perhaps you have a point but I will guarantee you that I (and a lot of people who agree with me) will walk away from my favorite college team if they start getting paid like pros. I won't tolerate somebody playing college sports demanding more money, etc. to score a touchdown or sack someone. It would be the death of the sport for the average fan.

I played D1 ball on a full ride, granted it was the early 80s but I was not treated like royalty. I do believe that the kids should be compensated for above and beyond. If you make and sell shirts with my name on them, I should get a cut.
I do like Marks idea of getting rid of schollys and pay them, and then let them pay their own way.

 

[MarkOU]

I played D1 ball on a full ride, granted it was the early 80s but I was not treated like royalty. I do believe that the kids should be compensated for above and beyond. If you make and sell shirts with my name on them, I should get a cut.
I do like Marks idea of getting rid of schollys and pay them, and then let them pay their own way.

Correct and that doesn't happen but Star believes because it was their number, they should.

I am not against them getting a cut. If they get a cut its got to be even, across the board and the scholarships need to go. If its that much of a burden to play a sport that you need to get paid then you need to pay for school like everyone else.

 

[awaz]

Don't play sports and take out student loans so you are no longer victimized. Problem solved.

long and short of it for me.

it's essentially an unpaid internship, except instead of just on-the-job experience and a resume builder, you get a college degree too.

 

[starbigd]

So you want to pay just a select few of the athletes.

Well IMO thats as selfish as it gets. Fuck the TEAM, its all about me. You can even spell it tEaM. <---ME

I want them to pay the kids they are exploiting.....which is not every athlete. This has nothing to do with the team.

The argument that it's just a number they're selling is BS, and you, and everyone on the planet KNOWS IT.

Texas didn't just decide arbitrarily to sell #10 jerseys, Florida didn't pick #15 out of a hat.

They are selling merch of popular players......if those jerseys had #0 on them, they wouldn't sell.

It really is that simple. If you're going to market and sell apparel, games, etc of INDIVIDUAL athletes, you have to give them their cut.

The way out of this for the NCAA? STOP selling merchandise marketed from individual players!

 

[haydav49]

I want them to pay the kids they are exploiting.....which is not every athlete. This has nothing to do with the team.

The argument that it's just a number they're selling is BS, and you, and everyone on the planet KNOWS IT.

Texas didn't just decide arbitrarily to sell #10 jerseys, Florida didn't pick #15 out of a hat.

They are selling merch of popular players......if those jerseys had #0 on them, they wouldn't sell.

It really is that simple. If you're going to market and sell apparel, games, etc of INDIVIDUAL athletes, you have to give them their cut.

The way out of this for the NCAA? STOP selling merchandise marketed from individual players!

So it sounds like you're saying the team has nothing to do with an individuals success? That's complete bull. If I'm an O-lineman and some QB or RB is getting a bucketful of cash every week because his number is on a jersey in stores, I'm not getting anything. I'm going to make sure that QB/RB gets layed out a few times. Just to remind everyone that I serve a purpose on the team too.

I have no problem with athletes getting a couple hundred a week spending money but that's as far as I would go. How can you make any other system fair?

 

[Uman5]

Correct and that doesn't happen but Star believes because it was their number, they should.

I am not against them getting a cut. If they get a cut its got to be even, across the board and the scholarships need to go. If its that much of a burden to play a sport that you need to get paid then you need to pay for school like everyone else.

florida and Texas still make big bank with Tebow and Young jersies, and yes they sold them with their names on them while they were in school.

 

[starbigd]

So it sounds like you're saying the team has nothing to do with an individuals success? That's complete bull. If I'm an O-lineman and some QB or RB is getting a bucketful of cash every week because his number is on a jersey in stores, I'm not getting anything. I'm going to make sure that QB/RB gets layed out a few times. Just to remind everyone that I serve a purpose on the team too.

I have no problem with athletes getting a couple hundred a week spending money but that's as far as I would go. How can you make any other system fair?

I never said it had to be fair. If the lineman isn't selling jerseys, he has no claim to any proceeds. That's life.

I'm saying, plain and simple - if the school/NCAA is profiting off INDIVIDUAL athletes, those athletes should get their cut.

This has NOTHING to do with teamwork, coaching, NOTHING. It has to do with the governing body marketing and selling the jerseys of players that everyone recognizes.

Try to stay on subject.

 

[MarkOU]

florida and Texas still make big bank with Tebow and Young jersies, and yes they sold them with their names on them while they were in school.

I would need you to provide proof of that. I've never EVER seen university sanctioned apparel with a players name on it. Now the consumer may have later had it embroided on after he bought it but the university sure as hell did not.

 

[starbigd]

I would need you to provide proof of that. I've never EVER seen a university sanctioned appearl with a players name on it. Now the consumer may have later had it embroided on after he bought it but the university sure as hell did not.

Why does it even matter? Did you not recognize it was a Young or Tebow jersey whether or not the name was on it?

Let's stop the charades and BS here.

And for the record, they did INDEED sell VY jerseys with his name on it. Just google it.

 

[Uman5]

I would need you to provide proof of that. I've never EVER seen a university sanctioned apparel with a players name on it. Now the consumer may have later had it embroided on after he bought it but the university sure as hell did not.

Walk into the bookstore at either, I have, and there are jerseys and shirts with their names on them for sale.
But really if I say #15 florida, you think? If I say #10 Texas...

 

[MarkOU]

Why does it even matter? Did you not recognize it was a Young or Tebow jersey whether or not the name was on it?

Let's stop the charades and BS here.

No lets not because that is the whole basis of your argument. Like Haydav said. What about all those guys who blocked? What about those guys who caught the pass? Where is their cut? If Johnny Manzil is going to get paid becasue of his Jesey sales then why should I block or catch a pass for him and make him legend so only HE can profit? Yeah fuck that. Thats a slippery sloop because everyone will want a fair cut.

 

[Uman5]

No lets not because that is the whole basis of your argument. Like Haydav said. What about all those guys who blocked? What about those guys who caught the pass? Where is their cut? If Johnny Manzil is going to get paid becasue of his Jesey sales then why should I block or catch a pass for him and make him legend so only HE can profit? Yeah fuck that. Thats a slippery sloop because everyone will want a fair cut.

I can see this side without a doubt. But that does not make the profiting by the school any less. Perhaps the entire team should get a piece?

 

[starbigd]

No lets not because that is the whole basis of your argument. Like Haydav said. What about all those guys who blocked? What about those guys who caught the pass? Where is their cut? If Johnny Manzil is going to get paid becasue of his Jesey sales then why should I block or catch a pass for him and make him legend so only HE can profit? Yeah fuck that. Thats a slippery sloop because everyone will want a fair cut.

That's just stupidity at it's finest.

So, they're going to ruin their chances to go pro because they aren't selling any jerseys?

Guess what? In the pros they don't make equal money either! They never will, and they'll never get any endorsement money. So your "slippery slope" is more BS

You can't beat my argument because you KNOW it's true. NO school arbitrarily sells jersey numbers just for the hell of it. They tell Nike/Reebok/Adidas to print jerseys of SPECIFIC players because they know those jerseys will sell.

Lets see you prove this wrong.

 

[Uman5]

I liked this thread better when it was a bash the NCAA funtime. ;-)

 

[starbigd]

I liked this thread better when it was a bash the NCAA funtime. ;-)

Well some of us want to shill for the NCAA, some of us see the reality of the situation.

 

[MarkOU]

That's just stupidity at it's finest.

So, they're going to ruin their chances to go pro because they aren't selling any jerseys?

Guess what? In the pros they don't make equal money either! They never will, and they'll never get any endorsement money. So your "slippery slope" is more BS

You can't beat my argument because you KNOW it's true. NO school arbitrarily sells jersey numbers just for the hell of it. They tell Nike/Reebok/Adidas to print jerseys of SPECIFIC players because they know those jerseys will sell.

Lets see you prove this wrong.

You already lose right there. This isn't the Pro's.

You want the university to sell Jerseys with no numbers? Sure go for it. Plenty of Polo's and T-shirts out there to wear. Where is the cut for the players on those? They helped the team win titles which sells merchandise. What about team photos? Everyone should get a cut, by your logic.

 

[MarkOU]

Well some of us want to shill for the NCAA, some of us see the reality of the situation.

LoL please. I'm no friend of the NCAA. I'm tired of the bullshit whoa is me I'm being exploited bullshit. Don't Play Football then. Who is forcing them?