King Felix to sign.......

[scotsman1948]

And they'd probably be a lot better off in many cases

how do you figure that?

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

in my opinion pitchers are the only ones really worth the money

Beg to differ...

Someone that plays EVERY day > someone who plays every 5th day.
Pitchers have to depend on the guys behind him. He isnt striking everyone out.
Hitters control their own (and really the game's) destiny.

 

[romeo212000]

Beg to differ...

Someone that plays EVERY day > someone who plays every 5th day.
Pitchers have to depend on the guys behind him. He isnt striking everyone out.
Hitters control their own (and really the game's) destiny.

Yes, but pitchers have much more of an affect on the outcome of the game they pitch in over any batter on any given day.

 

[Xx srs bsns xX]

Yes, but pitchers have much more of an affect on the outcome of the game they pitch in over any batter on any given day.

Still.... 150 > 32

5x the chances to make a difference.

 

[romeo212000]

Still.... 150 > 32

5x the chances to make a difference.

We'll have to agree to disagree. If you have one hitter who is a black hole in your lineup you can still win games consistently. If you have a black hole in your rotation you can just about expect to lose almost all those games.

 

[jta4437]

in my opinion pitchers are the only ones really worth the money

Its not about the money, I'm ok with paying a pitcher 20+ million a year, but not for 7 years

 

[jta4437]

how do you figure that?

Large contracts hamstring player payrolls and affect decisions in regards to draft pick compensation and player development in other places

Up until the recent attempts to limit teams abilities to bring in talent from Latin America that is

 

[DaBoltsNIsles]

I have no problem with what the Mariners did. They're in a bit of a different situation from other teams. UFA everyday players avoid them like the plague. They have a good farm system & are going to have to continue to build from within or make trades to bolster their lineup. If the Mariners can improve their lineup they're going to be very good in the not to distant future.

 

[scotsman1948]

Large contracts hamstring player payrolls and affect decisions in regards to draft pick compensation and player development in other places

Up until the recent attempts to limit teams abilities to bring in talent from Latin America that is

most teams, including the Rangers, don't see it that way or there would not be the annual chases after the superstar free agents that we see. and depending on level of the free agent player or pitcher they even consider the draft choice compensation worth it and i haven't seen any drastic effect on player development from a team bringing in the occasional signing of a free agent superstar.

 

[jta4437]

most teams, including the Rangers, don't see it that way or there would not be the annual chases after the superstar free agents that we see. and depending on level of the free agent player or pitcher they even consider the draft choice compensation worth it and i haven't seen any drastic effect on player development from a team bringing in the occasional signing of a free agent superstar.[/cnUOTE]

There's exactly how they got back to relevance, avoiding big free agents, since their 1st ws run, that's when they started dipping back into the running for free agent prizes and even then being very selective about who they choose to go after Beltre, lee, greinke etc

As far as how the rangers do things, I've been right far more times than i've been wrong,.I can't say the same for you

 

[scotsman1948]

most teams, including the Rangers, don't see it that way or there would not be the annual chases after the superstar free agents that we see. and depending on level of the free agent player or pitcher they even consider the draft choice compensation worth it and i haven't seen any drastic effect on player development from a team bringing in the occasional signing of a free agent superstar.[/cnUOTE]

There's exactly how they got back to relevance, avoiding big free agents, since their 1st ws run, that's when they started dipping back into the running for free agent prizes and even then being very selective about who they choose to go after Beltre, lee, greinke etc

As far as how the rangers do things, I've been right far more times than i've been wrong,.I can't say the same for you

did i mention any particular player? all i did was disagree with your assessment

 

[jta4437]

This is exactly why you don't give long extensions to pitchers

Elbow condition eyed in Seattle Mariners-Felix Hernandez deal, source says - ESPN

 

[Windingmywatch]

most teams, including the Rangers, don't see it that way or there would not be the annual chases after the superstar free agents that we see. and depending on level of the free agent player or pitcher they even consider the draft choice compensation worth it and i haven't seen any drastic effect on player development from a team bringing in the occasional signing of a free agent superstar.

Name the FA SP off season signing that powered TEX to its strong 2009 season, successful 2010 and 2011 seasons, and 2012 season run?

Like JTA am not opposed to a $20mil/year contract ... just not for anything more than 5 years. Like most fans we'd love having King on our roster but SEA signing him for 7 years is analogous to TEX and NYY Rodriguez' contracts or LAA's Wells and Pujolos contracts. Or MY's $16mil contract that lasted 2 years too long.


Back end will kill ya in big $$$ for below replacement performance.

 

[jta4437]

Name the FA SP off season signing that powered TEX to its strong 2009 season, successful 2010 and 2011 seasons, and 2012 season run?

Like JTA am not opposed to a $20mil/year contract ... just not for anything more than 5 years. Like most fans we'd love having King on our roster but SEA signing him for 7 years is analogous to TEX and NYY Rodriguez' contracts or LAA's Wells and Pujolos contracts. Or MY's $16mil contract that lasted 2 years too long.


Back end will kill ya in big $$$ for below replacement performance.

Actually its the the last 2 years of his current contract and then a 5 year extension

 

[Windingmywatch]

Actually its the the last 2 years of his current contract and then a 5 year extension

I could see a three year extension ... but wonder why they would think they needed to pay that much AND make it a five year extension.

King is a great ... but now he's going to need to be great for the next seven years.