Clippers - Utah Game Thread.

[nuraman00]

Shoot, I forgot about the earlier start time for this game. I'm going to have to catch up and post later.

6 PM PST
7 PM MST

 

[nuraman00]

So far through early in the 2nd, the Clippers look like they have a little more talent on offense.

Jazz a little better rebounding.

 

[nuraman00]

Utah's bench is outplaying the Clippers in the 2nd quarter.

 

[nuraman00]

Hayward scores in transition. 34-36.

 

[nuraman00]

Crawford brick.

Griffin rebound.

Griffin fouled.

 

[nuraman00]

The Jazz seem to force the Clippers into a missed shot, then they seem to have that edge on offense.

For the Clippers, this is where having a better system, or Billups, would help.

For the Jazz, their offense seems just as random, but sometimes that works.

 

[beardown07]

Jerry Sloan for President!!!




Shit would get done.

 

[nuraman00]

Jerry Sloan for President!!!




Shit would get done.

LOL! I wished I had refreshed this thread earlier.

 

[nuraman00]

Butler potential 4 point play.

 

[nuraman00]

90 all.

 

[nuraman00]

Kanter forces a turnover.

 

[nuraman00]

Call is reversed.

 

[nuraman00]

Burks layup. 96-101.

 

[nuraman00]

Clippers probably got a favorable foul call on Paul vs. Jefferson, but that's the way it goes sometimes.

 

[MHSL82]

Assuming you now know the result, I blame this loss to having a back-to-back - no, not consecutive nights, but same team twice in a row. Yes, the first on which is bad, too. We had the same but reverse against the Kings.

Seriously though, first the flop three in the first Clippers game and now this Jefferson one. That's the way it goes, twice. I demand David Stern even these wrongs THIS Sunday! He can do it with a marginal favoritism on Sunday and another on another night - or a terrible favoritism in Sunday's game - i.e. counting a basket that didn't even go in or goal-tended. Heck, not even shot!

 

[nuraman00]

Assuming you now know the result, I blame this loss to having a back-to-back - no, not consecutive nights, but same team twice in a row. Yes, the first on which is bad, too. We had the same but reverse against the Kings.

Seriously though, first the flop three in the first Clippers game and now this Jefferson one. That's the way it goes, twice. I demand David Stern even these wrongs THIS Sunday! He can do it with a marginal favoritism on Sunday and another on another night - or a terrible favoritism in Sunday's game - i.e. counting a basket that didn't even go in or goal-tended. Heck, not even shot!

Many other teams feel the same way about some of the foul calls in Utah, against them.

 

[nuraman00]

And yeah, I was posting live as of midway in the 2nd quarter, and watched through the end.

 

[MHSL82]

Many other teams feel the same way about some of the foul calls in Utah, against them.

Do you think I care what they think? These calls were at the end of the game so only they mattered. (You don't need to refute this, I'm only kidding.)

OT: Jordan pushed off, Eisley also made the three they took away, and Harper clearly made a shot after the buzzer. But even Jordan's foul was not called and explained as "he's MJ" or "refs don't want to decide a game." The Jazz would have lost in seven, no way Jordan loses, but news to them: the refs did decide the game. Not calling the push-off was deciding the game. (I know, I know, it just decided that the result of Jordan's shot would stand, miss or make - but that did determine it.) The Jazz got another shot, but that could have been free throws or more.

My point isn't to say the Jazz would have beaten Jordan, but if people don't care about three blatant calls, why would I care about their calls? Apparently, the end plays don't matter if they re wrongly called, so why would the others? Bah, both matter and no they did not even out in Game 6. But, as I said, it only is a bad thing if it's against the Jazz. What is with all this objectivity and reason, Nuraman?

I do feel a little ok because on Stockton's three against the Rockets, Malone held Drexler. Plus, as said, Jordan would have won in 7. I would have taken pride in pushing him that far if the refs weren't blowing it.

 

[nuraman00]

Do you think I care what they think? These calls were at the end of the game so only they mattered. (You don't need to refute this, I'm only kidding.)

OT: Jordan pushed off, Eisley also made the three they took away, and Harper clearly made a shot after the buzzer. But even Jordan's foul was not called and explained as "he's MJ" or "refs don't want to decide a game." The Jazz would have lost in seven, no way Jordan loses, but news to them: the refs did decide the game. Not calling the push-off was deciding the game. (I know, I know, it just decided that the result of Jordan's shot would stand, miss or make - but that did determine it.) The Jazz got another shot, but that could have been free throws or more.

My point isn't to say the Jazz would have beaten Jordan, but if people don't care about three blatant calls, why would I care about their calls? Apparently, the end plays don't matter if they re wrongly called, so why would the others? Bah, both matter and no they did not even out in Game 6. But, as I said, it only is a bad thing if it's against the Jazz. What is with all this objectivity and reason, Nuraman?

I do feel a little ok because on Stockton's three against the Rockets, Malone held Drexler. Plus, as said, Jordan would have won in 7. I would have taken pride in pushing him that far if the refs weren't blowing it.

I'm still not sure if Jordan pushed off, despite seeing the clip several times. I know it's widely accepted that he did, but that doesn't mean I agree with the consensus. I also wish I had access to other angles to help me make a decision, like they do with replays nowadays.

And it's also one of those things that's talked about so much, and everyone has an opinion on it, that I don't think I can watch it without letting someone influence me.

As for the Eisley and Harper calls, I don't remember them anymore. I probably haven't seen them since they occurred in real time. That might have been one of those things where it was a bad call that they could have looked at in modern times with replay, but that was not an option then. Tough break. There's been others like that too (specifically during the 2002 playoffs.)

basketball-reference doesn't have the play-by-play for that game, so I can't scan for those plays either.

I do agree that the phrase "the refs don't want to decide the game" is overused in cases where there's a missed no-call. And that the refs did decide the game by not calling a foul.

But I also remember in the 2003 playoffs, there was a lot of contact, yet Jason Kidd still made the final shot.

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Play-By-Play, May 18, 2003 | Basketball-Reference.com

And in the 2005 playoffs, Carlisle, who was now coaching Indiana, said "the refs did not decide the game. Lindsey Hunter is a great defender, but he decided the game by fouling Reggie Miller."

Detroit Pistons at Indiana Pacers Play-By-Play, May 13, 2005 | Basketball-Reference.com

That was an instance in which a coach supported a foul call at the end of a game. Yes it was for his player, but he flipped the cliche of "refs don't want to decide a game" back. Miller didn't get the call, and Indiana won without it, but I remember Carlisle saying that he should have gotten a call. If I had the sound bites, it would be even more interesting.


And here's a clip where Miller shoved Jordan, didn't get called for a foul, and made the shot anyways.


I don't have any real point, I'm just bringing up past questionable instances at the end of the game, where the call went either way.

(Ok, I just realized I didn't bring up any where someone DID get the foul call, but you know I could pull those up if I wanted to. I don't want to look those up right now.)

 

[MHSL82]

I'm still not sure if Jordan pushed off, despite seeing the clip several times. I know it's widely accepted that he did, but that doesn't mean I agree with the consensus. I also wish I had access to other angles to help me make a decision, like they do with replays nowadays.

And it's also one of those things that's talked about so much, and everyone has an opinion on it, that I don't think I can watch it without letting someone influence me.

As for the Eisley and Harper calls, I don't remember them anymore. I probably haven't seen them since they occurred in real time. That might have been one of those things where it was a bad call that they could have looked at in modern times with replay, but that was not an option then. Tough break. There's been others like that too (specifically during the 2002 playoffs.)

Just listen to me, I have all the angles in my head and I felt the push on my side when he did it. Seriously though, he pushed off, but didn't need to. It didn't help him make the shot per se - I have seen too many contested clutch shots to doubt that he would. But he made the mistake of pushing off and should have paid for it. Then he can have his narrative of winning with his back against the wall the following game. We get to say we pushed him to seven. Even.

The announcers were all over the Eisley and Harper calls until the last few minutes of the game. Then, the push-off winner pushed the talk onto that.