Is Baker Mayfield a Bust?

[Manster7588]

I'm not so sure he would not be fine staying on his current deal if he knew Watson was out for the season. Is that his first choice? Probably not...but its better than sitting or playing for a bad team as a stopgap or as a backup somewhere else

That said, if I ever said there was a 0% chance someone wanted to be with a team it would mean under any circumstance. That's why I don't like to make extreme comments like that just to support an agenda.

I'm pretty sure, scratch that, I'm absolutely sure Baker wants out of Cleveland NOW.

 

[dtgold88]

I'm pretty sure, scratch that, I'm absolutely sure Baker wants out of Cleveland NOW.

Probably...because NOW he does not know how long Watson is out. give him a chance to start for the season? It's a better option than others he may have.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I'm not so sure he would not be fine staying on his current deal if he knew Watson was out for the season. Is that his first choice? Probably not...but its better than sitting or playing for a bad team as a stopgap or as a backup somewhere else

That said, if I ever said there was a 0% chance someone wanted to be with a team it would mean under any circumstance. That's why I don't like to make extreme comments like that just to support an agenda.

Fair enough on the 0% being extreme.

But, do I think he would return under his current deal to play for an organization that boned him knowing that no matter how well he plays, and he has to play well AND stay healthy, that he'll still be looking for a new team in 2023? No, I do not.

I think he can basically Mendenhall this year, teams will be completely understanding of the situation, and the QB market might be even better next year. I also think that is his long-term best play as it keeps his value intact as it stands today. He goes out and tanks, or gets hurt, his value plummets.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Probably...because NOW he does not know how long Watson is out. give him a chance to start for the season? It's a better option than others he may have.

I think you put too much stock on THIS season - and are not looking big picture. Watson being out for THIS year does nothing for Baker - he wants to be in a place that will give him some long-term security. He's not getting that in Cleveland at all.

 

[dtgold88]

Fair enough on the 0% being extreme.

But, do I think he would return under his current deal to play for an organization that boned him knowing that no matter how well he plays, and he has to play well AND stay healthy, that he'll still be looking for a new team in 2023? No, I do not.

I think he can basically Mendenhall this year, teams will be completely understanding of the situation, and the QB market might be even better next year. I also think that is his long-term best play as it keeps his value intact as it stands today. He goes out and tanks, or gets hurt, his value plummets.

Yeah you keep saying this but I disagree. Boned him? Because they found a better player to bring in instead of him? Man, there are a lot of "boned" players in the NFL (and the other major sports, as well).

In addition, under the circumstance we are talking, he'd be in the exact same position as he'd have been in had Watson never even been brought up by the Browns. should he have refused to play under that scenario, too, with teams being OK with it?

do you think Baker believes he'd play well if he played?

 

[dtgold88]

I think you put too much stock on THIS season - and are not looking big picture. Watson being out for THIS year does nothing for Baker - he wants to be in a place that will give him some long-term security. He's not getting that in Cleveland at all.

I don't think you are thinking this through. Where is he going that you think is signing him to a long term deal without seeing him play first?

 

[Manster7588]

Probably...because NOW he does not know how long Watson is out. give him a chance to start for the season? It's a better option than others he may have.

OK, I'll say it this way. If the NFL handed down a 2 year suspension today, Baker would still want out of Cleveland.

 

[Wamu]

Is BM participating in any team activities?

 

[dtgold88]

OK, I'll say it this way. If the NFL handed down a 2 year suspension today, Baker would still want out of Cleveland.

Want out? sure, if there's somewhere he could go where he could start. But he'd be stupid not to at least consider starting here might not be a bad thing for him. I mean, he didn't ask to be traded before it was known they were going after Watson. He'd prefer playing with a lesser roster in a contract year out of spite?

 

[dtgold88]

Is BM participating in any team activities?

There are no team activities until Training Camp.

 

[Wamu]

There are no team activities until Training Camp.

When does TC start? I don't remember. You ever go to Berea and check things out? Went for a couple of years in a row after they returned.

 

[fastforward]

I don't think you are thinking this through. Where is he going that you think is signing him to a long term deal without seeing him play first?

Yesterday you were talking about $160M/4 years.

 

[dtgold88]

When does TC start? I don't remember. You ever go to Berea and check things out? Went for a couple of years in a row after they returned.

late July I think. Never been to TC as an adult. Went as a kid once, I think, but don't think it was in Berea.

 

[dtgold88]

Yesterday you were talking about $160M/4 years.

That was a hypothetical to refute the 0% chance he wants to stay exaggeration. Are you scared of direct questions, too? If not, here it is again that you glossed over in my comment... Where is he going that you think is signing him to a long term deal without seeing him play first?

 

[dtgold88]

Yesterday you were talking about $160M/4 years.

Yep. in a hypothetical. But in the comment to which you recently replied I asked Where is he going that you think is signing him to a long term deal without seeing him play first? Because he said Baker wants to be where he can get longterm security.

Can you help him out and answer or are questions spooky to you, too?

 

[NWPATSFAN]

correct because at this point we do not know how long watson is suspended. Just ask, little fella, and I can help you out when you cannot follow the discussion. In addition, just a minicamp in early June and we also don't even know what he's cleared to do.

Well Skippy if he wasn't medically cleared, they wouldn't have had to come to a supposable "mutual" agreement for him not to attend, now would they?

Keep doing you. Pure comedygold.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

It's an opinion. If yours is different be an adult and say so.....would Baker accept a 4 year, $160 mil deal if offered in your opinion?

come on...it's not so scary. a simple yes, no, Y or N would do the trick.

However, you try to imply it as fact. But no one is buying your bs.

To answer your question like you answer.

We don't know if he would or would not.

Maybe he would?

Maybe not?

Now if all the planets aligned, and you and the world stopped spinning maybe, sorta kinda, not quite sure, possibly but doubtful he may?

Then you would move onto some other far fetched ambiguous thing of fascination.

Keep doing you.


Got to love this forum.


Oh and why would they give him a 4 year deal? They already screwed up once giving Watson an assinine 5 year deal.

So when if either of them play again who starts and who sits?

Spin away my little princess.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

if he'd stay on the Browns for the money that means he has more than zero interest in staying. It means if the money (and likely role) are right he has interest in staying.

Yep...ya gotta love this forum.

Now you add in the "role" piece.

You are the master at spinning.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

watch me not being scared by the 3 questions.....

1) Depends what you consider "a long time". If a long time is a year or more, no, I do not think the FO expected that.

2) I think the JB signing was a good signing because I don't think they thought he'd get much more than 6-8 games and he's a solid backup

3) Not many


Can I play your game and ask how you know the Baker bridge is burnt? are you in the FO? But please tell me again how I offer opinions as fact as you offer an opinion as a fact

1. So the FO is as dumb as you. What is a long time in your mind?

2. So they signed JB because... the Baker bridge wasn't burned? Then they signed Dobbs because of what? Camp competition? With who the kickers? There are only 2 QBs in camp thus you forget.

3. Exactly my point. The Browns knew they would have to move BM. Stop trying to make it sound like all is good in the hood and the FO knew what they were doing.


So much for you not tap dancing again.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I'll answer:

I think it really depends on how the contract is structed. If it's $160M with less than 75% guaranteed - No. The reality is, for all contracts, the overall number is just a number. It's the guarantees that make it worthwhile. Unless the Browns are going to match Baker's contract with Watson's - I don't see him being interested in a return - his long-term value is still tied up in staying healthy, and it would be clear the team would look to move on as soon as Watson is ready. I think he'd rather bank on himself with a new team that they will give him the long-term starting gig to show what he can do. Much like his college days, I think anything that is similar to what another team might offer will see him changing programs/organizations. He walked on at TT, thought he should have been the starter and put on scholarship. Didn't happen, so he walked on at OU. Very, very similar circumstances here.

Now, all of that being said - If the entire contract were guaranteed - then, Yeah, I'd say it's likely. But that's the smart move and has zero to do with wanting to be in Cleveland. At a 160M guaranteed, he can suck for 4 years, be hurt for 4 years, he's getting paid. Doesn't matter what happens over the next 4 years, because he's set. It's also likely more than he's going to get anywhere else - but, would he prefer to make less and actually be assured he's the full-time starter and not just a place holder....does he "bet on himself" by taking less and moving to another team? These are all arguments you've used, and they are the same arguments that can be made against a Mayfield return - even if he gets paid.

HOWEVER - NONE OF THIS MATTERS - because the real issue with this question is that It's an irrelevant question. The Browns can't afford to pay him that. The team can't afford to wrap up 230M guaranteed to Watson AND shell out another 160M to Mayfield. They would be, essentially, paying one guy nearly $55M against the cap, and the other $40M against the cap. One of them is being paid to sit on the bench. Even as the cap goes up - that's an enormous amount wrapped up into a position that only allows for 1 starter.

That doesn't even get into the whole "What happens when one guys sucks, and everyone is calling for the backup". Or how that hamstrings the ability to pay for other positions. You know the old saying "When you have 2 QB's, you have none".

Shhhh stop talking logically. dtcomedygold doesn't like that.

Now he has to work on formulating his next diversion and spin. You got him at his own stupid game. Well done.