Congrats Nikola Jokic

[fightinfunbags]

Yeah he's too in his feels on this, for obvious reasons. Jokic and Embiid are much closer this year than Lebron and Rose were.

But that said, he's not wrong about Nash and Jokic vs Kobe/Shaq/Hakeem/KD. But that's sports sometimes, same thing as Barkley and Malone and Ewing and CP3 and other greats not having rings and other lesser players having many. There's only one MVP every year, and there are always many who deserve it.

The difference between rings and MVPs is that rings are determined on the court. There’s no subjectivity involved. A team won or they didn’t win. But with MVPs and these other accolades you’re at the whim of voters in the media. And let’s be real. That segment of sports has gotten way too big for their britches and see themselves on an equal level in this whole operation as the players. The market is flooded and it’s become “good business” to say and put out the most whacked out shit so you can stand out in a crowded market. They’ve made a mockery of this.

 

[fightinfunbags]

don't want to break it to ya, but voting Jokic over Embiid more than justifiable this season. The true MVP/best player this season is probably Giannis.

Only to a person who is in love with analytics and overplays a guy who takes a marginal supporting cast to a first round playoff exit. Essentially the Jokic argument has been that he is MVP because the rest of the roster is untalented and no good. We are supposed to celebrate 6 seeds now. It’s absurd.

 

[dtgold88]

The difference between rings and MVPs is that rings are determined on the court. There’s no subjectivity involved. A team won or they didn’t win. But with MVPs and these other accolades you’re at the whim of voters in the media. And let’s be real. That segment of sports has gotten way too big for their britches and see themselves on an equal level in this whole operation as the players. The market is flooded and it’s become “good business” to say and put out the most whacked out shit so you can stand out in a crowded market. They’ve made a mockery of this.

Did really well until your last comment. Jokic over Embiid is far from a mockery.

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

It’s pretty clear we are there again. This one will be questioned forever. MVP no longer has anything to do with legacy when Jokic and Nash have more MVPs than Kobe Shaq KD Hakeem etc…

This is not egregious at all. It was a close race with both being very worthy. Maybe Joel's text switched a crucial vote or maybe it didn't. This is not LeBron vs rose tho.

 

[fightinfunbags]

don't want to break it to ya, but voting Jokic over Embiid more than justifiable this season. The true MVP/best player this season is probably Giannis.

And Giannis team underachieved in the regular season so it would be odd to give him an MVP award. That team should have contended with the Suns for the top record in the league . They didn’t win game 50 until the last week of the season.

 

[dtgold88]

Only to a person who is in love with analytics and overplays a guy who takes a marginal supporting cast to a first round playoff exit. Essentially the Jokic argument has been that he is MVP because the rest of the roster is untalented and no good. We are supposed to celebrate 6 seeds now. It’s absurd.

There's also the idea he was an incredibly efficient player and did something no one has done in the history of the sport.

 

[dtgold88]

And Giannis team underachieved in the regular season so it would be odd to give him an MVP award. That team should have contended with the Suns for the top record in the league . They didn’t win game 50 until the last week of the season.

Teams who win titles often don't care so much about regular season standings. Never mind if memory serves they lost a number of games missing Giannis, Holiday and Middleton (or at least 2 of them).

 

[fightinfunbags]

Did really well until your last comment. Jokic over Embiid is far from a mockery.

When I say this, I’m talking the whole process. I’m talking about giving the number 2 overall pick the MIP award. I’m saying giving Thibs coach of the year over Monty last year all because a big market team pulled their head out of their ass for once. I’m talking about back to back years Joel Embiid being the runner up for MVP and yet he’s on the 2nd team All NBA both years. These things can no longer be considered important when judging players legacies because they’ve taken a shit all over this process with narratives and agenda.

And I’m sorry, but bringing a team to a 6th seed is not the stuff to warrant a designation of most valuable. In this case, most valuable means they got 4 extra losses before tee times and family vacation. Most valuable what?

 

[Picklerick 2.0]

And Giannis team underachieved in the regular season so it would be odd to give him an MVP award. That team should have contended with the Suns for the top record in the league . They didn’t win game 50 until the last week of the season.

Not the case with jokic team tho. With their injuries they should not have sniffed the playoffs. Like you said, there were no explanations for the nuggets, and yet he took his team to a record just two games below your sixers. You can't have it both ways.

 

[Heatles84]

I’ve had weeks to prepare my soul. Ball don’t lie and we’re witness to the People’s MVP showing when it’s real how important he is to his team.

I feel like there's a hint of sarcasm here.

 

[fightinfunbags]

There's also the idea he was an incredibly efficient player and did something no one has done in the history of the sport.

Which is made up bull shit. Look at Westbrook’s MVP season. He had 400 more points and 300 more assists and was like 180 rebounds off because Westbrook was actually asked to guard on the perimeter and couldn’t just stand under the rim waiting. Stat Muse and the like are constantly pulling this shit out of their ass. “So n so is the first player to average 23.4 PPG on Tuesday’s during the vernal equinox” and we become conditioned to think this actually means something.

He led his team to a 6th seed. That’s not the stuff of an MVP. In 49 of the last 51 MVP votes the winner has been on a team that had home court in the first round (top 4 seed).

 

[fightinfunbags]

This is not egregious at all. It was a close race with both being very worthy. Maybe Joel's text switched a crucial vote or maybe it didn't. This is not LeBron vs rose tho.

It is egregious. The leader of a 6th seed also ran isn’t MVP or the term Most Valuable is just a farce.

“We went nowhere but without you, we would have gone nowhere”.

What did Jokic earn his team this year? The gate and concessions for two extra home games.

 

[msgkings322]

The difference between rings and MVPs is that rings are determined on the court. There’s no subjectivity involved. A team won or they didn’t win. But with MVPs and these other accolades you’re at the whim of voters in the media. And let’s be real. That segment of sports has gotten way too big for their britches and see themselves on an equal level in this whole operation as the players. The market is flooded and it’s become “good business” to say and put out the most whacked out shit so you can stand out in a crowded market. They’ve made a mockery of this.

'Mockery' is too strong. You're overdoing this and it's hurting your case, which is reasonable. But it's not like some vast gap between Jokic and Embiid, especially when Giannis has a case over both. Embiid is who he is just like Shaq and Kobe were. People know.

You're right about rings vs MVPs, and you're right that politics/perceptions matter a lot in the awards (not just MVP, COY and ROY and DPOY and all the rest). But again, that's part of the fun of sports, arguing over unprovable stuff. Wouldn't be any fun if every award every year was obvious.

 

[msgkings322]

And Giannis team underachieved in the regular season so it would be odd to give him an MVP award. That team should have contended with the Suns for the top record in the league . They didn’t win game 50 until the last week of the season.

Now you're reaching. His team didn't 'underachieve' enough to cost an MVP. They were the 3 seed in a tough conference, like 2 games from 1 seed. They won 51 games. This isn't anything like Denver. Giannis probably has a better case than Embiid and Jokic this year, but as I said it's all close and any of the 3 deserve it.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Teams who win titles often don't care so much about regular season standings. Never mind if memory serves they lost a number of games missing Giannis, Holiday and Middleton (or at least 2 of them).

But isn’t it a regular season award? That’s what I’ve been told when I bring up the fact that in the playoffs every year Jokic gets targeted by the opponent because he’s a liability as a defender.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Not the case with jokic team tho. With their injuries they should not have sniffed the playoffs. Like you said, there were no explanations for the nuggets, and yet he took his team to a record just two games below your sixers. You can't have it both ways.

There’s little difference between the 6th seed and the rest of the rest in a too heavy West. You had 3 great teams and then a lot of tankers and underachievers.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Now you're reaching. His team didn't 'underachieve' enough to cost an MVP. They were the 3 seed in a tough conference, like 2 games from 1 seed. They won 51 games. This isn't anything like Denver. Giannis probably has a better case than Embiid and Jokic this year, but as I said it's all close and any of the 3 deserve it.

Bucks and Sixers finished with identical records. Sixers had the background of the Simmons distraction and played most of the season without a PG and an All Star. I disagree with this assertion that Giannis was deserving than Embiid.

 

[msgkings322]

Bucks and Sixers finished with identical records. Sixers had the background of the Simmons distraction and played most of the season without a PG and an All Star. I disagree with this assertion that Giannis was deserving than Embiid.

 

[shopson67]

Which is made up bull shit. Look at Westbrook’s MVP season. He had 400 more points and 300 more assists and was like 180 rebounds off because Westbrook was actually asked to guard on the perimeter and couldn’t just stand under the rim waiting. Stat Muse and the like are constantly pulling this shit out of their ass. “So n so is the first player to average 23.4 PPG on Tuesday’s during the vernal equinox” and we become conditioned to think this actually means something.

He led his team to a 6th seed. That’s not the stuff of an MVP. In 49 of the last 51 MVP votes the winner has been on a team that had home court in the first round (top 4 seed).

Keep leaning hard on that 6th seed, when the Nuggets were only 2 games behind the Sixers.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Keep leaning hard on that 6th seed, when the Nuggets were only 2 games behind the Sixers.

I already bitch slapped your fat ass on that point.