• Have something to say? Register Now! and be posting in minutes!

Andrew Wiggins is an all star game starter.

Picklerick 2.0

Well-Known Member
11,297
7,260
533
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Location
minnesota
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
What a fucking joke the all star game has become.
 

Picklerick 2.0

Well-Known Member
11,297
7,260
533
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Location
minnesota
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
It’s less about how he has played (terrific) and more about guys being snubbed. Booker a #1 on the best team in the NBA isn’t a starter? That’s why it’s a joke more than ever.
It's a popularity contest and I get that part, but then don't start using it as a stat for career achievements or for whether or not a person makes it into the hall of Fame. Can't have it both ways.
 

WiggyRuss

Well-Known Member
33,631
9,297
533
Joined
Jul 17, 2014
Location
Suburb of Cleveland
Hoopla Cash
$ 14,727.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
What a fucking joke the all star game has become.
it has to be somewhat embarrassing for him to go out there.

typically- an all star starter is either

1. Guys that truly deserve it this year- like Jokic, LeBron, Embiid- elite guys having elite years

2. an annually elite player thats high profile- having a down year but gets the benefit of the doubt- like Curry

3. or- a very good player that is having a great year- like DeRozan

4. An exciting young guy that just breaks out- like Ja (Young is a little bit of 2, 3 and 4)

Wiggins is not someone anyone cares about. He has not been much better than slightly above average. 18, 4 and 2 for a starting all star is a joke.

Luka, Gobert, Towns are so much more deserving its insane. Honestly Jonas Valunciunas is more deserving. Anthony Edwards is listed at SF at ESPN as is Ingram. both WAY more deserving. Cases could be made for Wood, JJJ, Nurkic,

He def. benefited from George, Kawhi, Davis, all being injured which gave him the opening. Ayton I guess hasnt plyed enough games either.
 

wildturkey

Well-Known Member
25,988
8,296
533
Joined
Sep 4, 2011
Hoopla Cash
$ 98,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
At least you can make the reasonable case he belongs on the team. They don't dish out contract bonuses for All Star starters, just All Stars, so its not really that big of a deal. It'd be way worse if the fans voted some rando in there that had no business sniffing an all star team
 

Mebert

Not Mebert's Alt
17,901
9,836
533
Joined
Apr 20, 2013
Location
Salt Lake City
Hoopla Cash
$ 22,700.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
She left you for a better man and she's thriving now...deal with it.
The entire planet knew he would be better off of the Wolves. He is better because he no longer has anyone looking to him for leadership or responsibility.

Fact is his points, rebounds, and assists are all down from his career averages. His efficiency is way up though. 41% 3? Never would have seen that coming. He is an elite 3rd-4th option on a great team. No shame in it, but it isn't really all star material either.
 

trojanfan12

R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!
Moderator
80,954
34,934
1,033
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Location
San Clemente, Ca.
Hoopla Cash
$ 16,709.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
lol

Y'all are taking this waaaaay too seriously. It's promoted as the ''fans game'', so it should be fans only voting and you live with the results. The players have shown that they don't take it seriously with how they vote. Reporters shouldn't be voting either. They use it for grudges and the game isn't for them.
 

msgkings322

Throbbing Member
115,272
46,598
1,033
Joined
Aug 11, 2010
Hoopla Cash
$ 4,700.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
The entire planet knew he would be better off of the Wolves. He is better because he no longer has anyone looking to him for leadership or responsibility.

Fact is his points, rebounds, and assists are all down from his career averages. His efficiency is way up though. 41% 3? Never would have seen that coming. He is an elite 3rd-4th option on a great team. No shame in it, but it isn't really all star material either.
Agreed. He's an all star because of the fans. Happy for him but wouldn't have cared if he wasn't
 

Picklerick 2.0

Well-Known Member
11,297
7,260
533
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Location
minnesota
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
lol

Y'all are taking this waaaaay too seriously. It's promoted as the ''fans game'', so it should be fans only voting and you live with the results. The players have shown that they don't take it seriously with how they vote. Reporters shouldn't be voting either. They use it for grudges and the game isn't for them.
I understand that but then we have to do away with using all star appearances as statistics when arguing how great a player is or for hall of fame resumes. We can't have it both ways.
 

trojanfan12

R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!
Moderator
80,954
34,934
1,033
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Location
San Clemente, Ca.
Hoopla Cash
$ 16,709.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
I understand that but then we have to do away with using all star appearances as statistics when arguing how great a player is or for hall of fame resumes. We can't have it both ways.

I think it's used as a kind of tiebreaker like championships. But yeah, it definitely should not be a big part of it.

For the most part, the fans get it right. Yeah, sometimes guys get in when they shouldn't. Kobe got in a couple of times when he didn't ''deserve'' it. But he was coming down to the end of his career and fans wanted to see him one more time. Can't really fault them for that.

To me, it's promoted as ''the fans game'' so it should be the fans voting for who they want to see.

One thing that definitely needs to happen too is players and their agents need to quit allowing all star appearances to be tied to bonus money...players don't really have much control over whether they get in or not.
 

Picklerick 2.0

Well-Known Member
11,297
7,260
533
Joined
Sep 11, 2020
Location
minnesota
Hoopla Cash
$ 1,000.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
I think it's used as a kind of tiebreaker like championships. But yeah, it definitely should not be a big part of it.

For the most part, the fans get it right. Yeah, sometimes guys get in when they shouldn't. Kobe got in a couple of times when he didn't ''deserve'' it. But he was coming down to the end of his career and fans wanted to see him one more time. Can't really fault them for that.

To me, it's promoted as ''the fans game'' so it should be the fans voting for who they want to see.

One thing that definitely needs to happen too is players and their agents need to quit allowing all star appearances to be tied to bonus money...players don't really have much control over whether they get in or not.
I think baseball has it perfectly. Fans get a say, but it's only one part of the equation to determine all star selection. By allowing fans to decide completely, you deincentivize players from going to smaller markets and in essence hurt the game as a whole. Why be Towns in Minnesota when you can be Wiggins in California? Towns clearly deserves being in over Wiggins, among other players, but because of population, might not be there, and will never have a chance as an all star starter.
 

msgkings322

Throbbing Member
115,272
46,598
1,033
Joined
Aug 11, 2010
Hoopla Cash
$ 4,700.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
I think baseball has it perfectly. Fans get a say, but it's only one part of the equation to determine all star selection. By allowing fans to decide completely, you deincentivize players from going to smaller markets and in essence hurt the game as a whole. Why be Towns in Minnesota when you can be Wiggins in California? Towns clearly deserves being in over Wiggins, among other players, but because of population, might not be there, and will never have a chance as an all star starter.
In baseball don't the fans vote in the starters though?
 

Montalban

Well-Known Member
30,251
4,926
293
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Hoopla Cash
$ 925.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
In a way he's right. It frustrated me at first but I'm not one to ignore reality. He is very solid and a perfect fit, but hell no, he is not an all star.
No, just the staff he comes up with cracks me up, it was funny as hell but he is such an ass.
 

Montalban

Well-Known Member
30,251
4,926
293
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Hoopla Cash
$ 925.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
The All Star game is a joke anyway. Its not about fielding the best team its about entertainment. No defense is played and its only about who the fans want to see, as perhaps it should be. If the fans want to see a 6'10" guy hit a 100% shot with a dunk and that excites you, then by all means, watch the game
 

trojanfan12

R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!
Moderator
80,954
34,934
1,033
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Location
San Clemente, Ca.
Hoopla Cash
$ 16,709.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
The All Star game is a joke anyway. Its not about fielding the best team its about entertainment. No defense is played and its only about who the fans want to see, as perhaps it should be. If the fans want to see a 6'10" guy hit a 100% shot with a dunk and that excites you, then by all means, watch the game

Exactly. It's an exhibition game that has absolutely no bearing on the season. There are no stupid incentives tied to it like the team from the winning conference gets HCA in the finals.

It is basically some of the best athletes on the planet playing a pickup game and showing off for the fans...plus, if the game is close late, they get all competitive, actually start playing some defense and trying to win. Then it's really fun to watch.
 

Montalban

Well-Known Member
30,251
4,926
293
Joined
Oct 28, 2014
Hoopla Cash
$ 925.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Exactly. It's an exhibition game that has absolutely no bearing on the season. There are no stupid incentives tied to it like the team from the winning conference gets HCA in the finals.

It is basically some of the best athletes on the planet playing a pickup game and showing off for the fans...plus, if the game is close late, they get all competitive, actually start playing some defense and trying to win. Then it's really fun to watch.
Yep, I agree. I don't know about the bolded though because I can never sit through all the nonsense for 3 1/2 quarters to get to that point
 

trojanfan12

R.I.P. Robotic Dreams. Fight On!
Moderator
80,954
34,934
1,033
Joined
Apr 17, 2013
Location
San Clemente, Ca.
Hoopla Cash
$ 16,709.00
Fav. Team #1
Fav. Team #2
Fav. Team #3
Yep, I agree. I don't know about the bolded though because I can never sit through all the nonsense for 3 1/2 quarters to get to that point

I like the game and usually watch the whole thing. But if I have other stuff to do, I just try to get done before the 4th quarter so I can watch that.
 
Top