Interesting article from Keim

[skinsdad62]

 

[Sportster 72]

One of many reasons this team has sucked for so many years.

 

[skinsdad62]

For anyone needing a definition of project , that means you are investing time in a player in the hopes of him developing as a player . A player like CAM Sims is a PROJECT . Notice I didn’t say draft or anything singularly like free agency .Ironman is a project in the draft world . You picked him in round 5 , kept him around for a year and then he learns and plays turning into a usable player .

a one year wonder is a player who for one season puts up great numbers that aren’t his norm .

now in plain English a one year wonder isn’t a project . When you draft a player at 15 overall the expectation is he should play and start by the end of year one , DHC is a player who should not be in that category . Every football guy in our organization characterized him as a PROJECT . That means he would take more then a year to get a return on ( most likely 2 )

one year wonder and project are never ever interchangeable in the queens English for those if you lacking in the study of the queens English

 

[Stymietee]

Synder made the choice on talent(huge year at Ohio St) and need. To say he was a reach or over drafted at #15 overall is crazy. Again this wasnt the 1st or 2nd pick of the draft like a J. Russell or Ryan Leaf. Of course we dont know what goes on behind close doors for scouting but haskins didnt have off field troubles at Ohio St and beat out JoE Burrow to win the job. So why would his talent be in question when we picked him at #15 overall?

Dwayne still has first round talent, but he's clearly not NFL ready...yet!!
His great misfortune was in being drafted into a dysfunctional organization and an impatient fanbase seeking instant gratification after years of abuse.

So let's take a look back to what made his time at Ohio state as successful as it was. Urban Meyer's teams run the football and feature really good receivers that all told trample weaklings like Maryland or Penn State on their way to national prominence. The true key, like most of the better teams, they win up front.

It still puzzles me that the team that came into prominence by building dominating lines on both sides of the ball along with really good players manning the "elite" positions with an owner who grew up being a confessed fan of those teams, still hasn't figured out how well that formula works.

Big fan of Ron Rivera, but his history tells me that it's QB and RB centered, given a do-over and me as GM, I hire Meyer because his history tells me that, he builds where it counts most first. Hmmm, Dwayne and Meyer like Kingsbury and Murray, I wonder how that would have worked out.?

 

[gkekoa]

I would be extremely cautious in calling Haskins a "bust" at this point. He's 23 years old and while it didn't work out for him here, there's a real possibility that he will sign elsewhere and "become a better man and NFL QB" simply because the new organization isn't Washington. Looking back, there was almost unanimous agreement that he was a project ( one year in school and immaturity issues). One poster always insist that young QB'S should sit, and Dwayne was no different despite the insistence of some here who wrongly maintain that rookie contracts are an impediment. It's economically untrue when such a player hasn't earned a big contract. He would get the veterans minimum on a renewal. It doesn't happen because, few teams exercise patience in this regard.

I understand why Dwayne was cut, he earned it simply because he wasn't ready to play NFL level football. Does that mean he's an eternal bust? Absolutely not!! There are teams that are interested in signing him cheaply in the coming months. There are two that I know of as I write this, Pittsburgh..and ..(don't pee on yourself) Carolina. It's going to be interesting to see how his career develops in his quest to prove himself elsewhere.

Let me state clearly that Dwayne Haskins was a "bust" here, but being a bust in a busted organization doesn't really come as a surprise to me. If in future terms, this organization goes on towards much better things with respect to playoffs or SB appearances/wins with the QB of their choosing and Dwayne completely flames out, then yeah, we can look back and debate right/wrong track in terms of sitting/not sitting him. However, should his new team put in the necessary work in him and he goes on to a long NFL career as starter or high level backup, while Washington remains.. well.. Washington, we should all revisit this thread and pass out hankies while we cry in our soup. Keep in mind, there's literally millions of dollars to be made being a backup QB in the NFL. Hell, Jason Campbell, another notable "bust" here made millions more after his time here in a career spanning 10 years. Most notably, Kirk Cousins, the Nick Foles in Minnesota, who's now proven himself to be one of those "high level" backups that I spoke of, fell into a situation that's still paying him millions because of desperation for starters. (I wrote this last part for a friend)

I have been defending DH right there with you; however, I am done. Unless he dedicates himself to the game, he will continue to be a bust. 70% won’t cut it.

 

[Stymietee]

I have been defending DH right there with you; however, I am done. Unless he dedicates himself to the game, he will continue to be a bust. 70% won’t cut it.

I still think that failure is a great teacher for young know-it-all minds. There's one other thing that I think we're looking at through older folks eyes... branding. Tom Brady has a brand and although that's one that has been earned, it doesn't account for how large a role thatthe internet/ social media plays in today's world. These youngins today grew up deeply involved in such things, they are comfortable there and branding while a thing isn't what it once was to get set up and recognized. For us old dudes, socializing meant partying down the block or at a club/bar. So I think that we put too much emphasis upon today's technology as a distraction than it should be. We'll see how well the hard knocks have reshaped this guy. Time will tell but honestly my interest only goes to hoping that his head doesn't destroy his physical talent. That would be a shame.

 

[j_y19]

For anyone needing a definition of project , that means you are investing time in a player in the hopes of him developing as a player . A player like CAM Sims is a PROJECT . Notice I didn’t say draft or anything singularly like free agency .Ironman is a project in the draft world . You picked him in round 5 , kept him around for a year and then he learns and plays turning into a usable player .

a one year wonder is a player who for one season puts up great numbers that aren’t his norm .

now in plain English a one year wonder isn’t a project . When you draft a player at 15 overall the expectation is he should play and start by the end of year one , DHC is a player who should not be in that category . Every football guy in our organization characterized him as a PROJECT . That means he would take more then a year to get a return on ( most likely 2 )

one year wonder and project are never ever interchangeable in the queens English for those if you lacking in the study of the queens English

If we have learned anything from the DH debacle, it should be that the terms "project" and "first round pick" should never go together. A first round pick should required no assembly, ready to play out of the box.

 

[gkekoa]

I still think that failure is a great teacher for young know-it-all minds. There's one other thing that I think we're looking at through older folks eyes... branding. Tom Brady has a brand and although that's one that has been earned, it doesn't account for how large a role thatthe internet/ social media plays in today's world. These youngins today grew up deeply involved in such things, they are comfortable there and branding while a thing isn't what it once was to get set up and recognized. For us old dudes, socializing meant partying down the block or at a club/bar. So I think that we put too much emphasis upon today's technology as a distraction than it should be. We'll see how well the hard knocks have reshaped this guy. Time will tell but honestly my interest only goes to hoping that his head doesn't destroy his physical talent. That would be a shame.

I have gone over to the boat that he just doesn’t care enough. He got his money and it is enough. He simply doesn’t love the game enough to be good.

DH now goes into my cheer against box. I cheer for all players Redskin, but very few outside of the organization. I hope he fails at the game but can excel as a man...unless he somehow comes back to Washington...then I will cheer for him again.

 

[Sportster 72]

Couple O'Things:

Even 1st round QBs can be projects. There aren't a lot of Dan Marino's. Even Rodgers and Mahomes had to wait a while. Hell, didn't Peyton have 949357395 interceptions his first year?

Decision making and time to process and execute is something that is key to QBing and hard to measure. We can all see arm talent but it is hard to know those qualitites on the NFL level until a guy gets here.

 

[deanpet21]

Drafting projects and “one year wonders “ are 2 completely different things dean FALSE

No their not. haskins was a one year wonder at Ohio St. and was a project mentally. How many junior Qb's have there been who had great years but cant win in the nfl right away?

 

[skinsdad62]

No their not. haskins was a one year wonder at Ohio St. and was a project mentally. How many junior Qb's have there been who had great years but cant win in the nfl right away?

ok maybe i will try the KINGS english this time , a one year wonder is a flash in the pan , a project is something you mold or build . they are not the same . in the case of a one year wonder the production is there and quantified . a project is a work in progress and the production isnt there

now why dont you admit you confused posters when you were replying to me in the first place and stop jumping to conclusions , flipping the script and stop puttin g words in my mouth

i said you cant draft projects in at 15 . i said nothing , nothing about one year wonders and the phrases arent and never will be interchangeable

 

[skinsdad62]

A one-year wonder is any entity that achieves mainstream popularity, often for only one piece of work, and becomes known among the general public solely for that momentary success

Simply put, a project is a series of tasks that need to be completed in order to reach a specific outcome. A project can also be defined as a set of inputs and outputs required to achieve a particular goal.

these 2 terms are not related in any way i dont know why you cant see that dean

 

[deanpet21]

ok maybe i will try the KINGS english this time , a one year wonder is a flash in the pan , a project is something you mold or build . they are not the same . in the case of a one year wonder the production is there and quantified . a project is a work in progress and the production isnt there

now why dont you admit you confused posters when you were replying to me in the first place and stop jumping to conclusions , flipping the script and stop puttin g words in my mouth

i said you cant draft projects in at 15 . i said nothing , nothing about one year wonders and the phrases arent and never will be interchangeable

Im referring to starting experience and just being raw. They can have great years stat wise but are still raw mentally and not ready for the nfl game. My point is the guys like Akili Smith go had one great stat year but wasnt ready for the nfl. Cincy knew he was going to be a project but had to start for a bad team and he was the 3rd overall pick.

Haskins did not have to start his rookie year making him a project who had a great year in college. He was the 15th overall pick. He was still warranted a first round pick. Many QB's are first round picks who are super raw but showed well in college.

 

[skinsdad62]

Im referring to starting experience and just being raw. They can have great years stat wise but are still raw mentally and not ready for the nfl game. My point is the guys like Akili Smith go had one great stat year but wasnt ready for the nfl. Cincy knew he was going to be a project but had to start for a bad team and he was the 3rd overall pick.

Haskins did not have to start his rookie year making him a project who had a great year in college. He was the 15th overall pick. He was still warranted a first round pick. Many QB's are first round picks who are super raw but showed well in college.

i dont care what you are referring too the fact beyond dispute is i didnt say one year wonder, as you said i did ,i said PROJECT and they are not interchangeable

now before i ask why we would take drafting tips from the bengals on an experiment that failed with klingler as well is that is the very evidence that backs my point up . you cant draft a project that high because if he fails you set the franchise back years . andre ware is another case , harrington another jamarcus russell is another

how many more examples do i need to show before we get that drafting raw qbs early in the draft isnt good policy . POLICY

most RAW qbs drafted in the early to mid first round fail PERIOD . who cares if they were drafted or other teams do it ? did they pan out ? that cant be a smart drafting policy , POLICY

Snyder overruled his entire staff ( even brucifer ) and made the pick . he is to blame for that choice , CHOICE DEAN not DHC he didnt CHOOSE anything he was what he was and the skins FO KNEW IT . SNYDER didnt

and yes dean DHC had 7 starts in 9 appearances

now when you draft a qb in the first half of round one he has to be close to pro ready . he doesnt have to be mistake free but he has to have an idea on what it takes to be and NFL qb and execute that on the field

 

[deanpet21]

i dont care what you are referring too the fact beyond dispute is i didnt say one year wonder, as you said i did ,i said PROJECT and they are not interchangeable

now before i ask why we would take drafting tips from the bengals on an experiment that failed with klingler as well is that is the very evidence that backs my point up . you cant draft a project that high because if he fails you set the franchise back years . andre ware is another case , harrington another jamarcus russell is another

how many more examples do i need to show before we get that drafting raw qbs early in the draft isnt good policy . POLICY

most RAW qbs drafted in the early to mid first round fail PERIOD . who cares if they were drafted or other teams do it ? did they pan out ? that cant be a smart drafting policy , POLICY

Snyder overruled his entire staff ( even brucifer ) and made the pick . he is to blame for that choice , CHOICE DEAN not DHC he didnt CHOOSE anything he was what he was and the skins FO KNEW IT . SNYDER didnt

and yes dean DHC had 7 starts in 9 appearances

now when you draft a qb in the first half of round one he has to be close to pro ready . he doesnt have to be mistake free but he has to have an idea on what it takes to be and NFL qb and execute that on the field

Im proving that it happens not if its successful. Let me ask you this the QB Mac Jones from Bama. Is he a project? Is he a one year wonder? Is he pro ready? Is he a first round pick? He has great weapons Like Haskins did in college.

 

[skinsdad62]

Im proving that it happens not if its successful. Let me ask you this the QB Mac Jones from Bama. Is he a project? Is he a one year wonder? Is he pro ready? Is he a first round pick? He has great weapons Like Haskins did in college.

i dont care if it "happens " . policy based on real data suggest you shouldnt do that

now if i am researching jones but i see him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder

 

[deanpet21]

i dont care if it "happens " . policy based on real data suggest you shouldnt do that

now if i am researching jones but i see him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder

Then you will be proven wrong when he goes first round. Plus you didnt answer all my questions about Jones.

 

[kbso83432]

I remember everybody on here bout as giddy as a school boy after copping a feel with Mary Beth in the broom closet. If I remember right it went something like this... Holy heck we just got the steal of the draft!! Can't believe he fell to us!! etc etc... Nobody could envision such a colossal bust after that pick,,, or even before. I don't fault Snyder for taking him,,, the fan base was crying out for a QB. Shit just didn't work out. However, I am almost just AS excited seeing that Snyder seems to be letting football guys try and make a winning team for him rather than his money.

Not me. Never wanted Haskins. I trust Cooley and he said from day one not to pick Haskins at 15.

I was a Drew Lock guy. Now he isn't setting the world on fire but he wasn't picked @15 either.

Snyder gets no kudos for letting Rivera cut Haskins. He let Gruden cut RG3 after a lot of wasted time spent proving to Dan that RG3 was no longer the guy.

This is repeated behavior. An article came out today I believe that Kyle Smith pushed himself up from the table in the war room and asked ARE WE REALLY GONNA DRAFT THIS GUY? This happened in front of Dan. Dan said this is our guy.

Might explain why you don't hear Kyle being talked about as a frontrunner for the GM job.

Love the stones on him to make take that stand in front of Dan.

 

[skinsdad62]

Then you will be proven wrong when he goes first round. Plus you didnt answer all my questions about Jones.

If a GM takes Jones in the top half of round one then so be it . I don’t think he is a day one starter , not sure about his arm strength . Then again I haven’t looked at him hard so my answer is based on limited data

right now I am giving him a 3rd round grade with KC potential

 

[deanpet21]

If a GM takes Jones in the top half of round one then so be it . I don’t think he is a day one starter , not sure about his arm strength . Then again I haven’t looked at him hard so my answer is based on limited data

right now I am giving him a 3rd round grade with KC potential

lol. but the ndst kid is a first rounder? Jones is a one year wonder with huge talent around him pocket passer. Alot like Haskins was. Should be the 4th QB off the board. The guy has limited starts but is a one year wonder which should equal first rounder. Same thing as Haskins. Same thing.