NBA OFF TOPIC THREAD

[dtgold88]

It's not as simple as that. The level of quarterback play in the NFL goes up and down over the years. Some years there are more qb's playing at a high level than others.

In a season where you have a lot of qb's playing well, a slightly above average qb may fall in the 15-20 range and in years where there are fewer qb's playing at a high level, it may put them closer to 8-10.

It kind of is that simple. Never mind if we use his OWN numbers his guy is off base. also never mind he moved the goal posts. First he said he was a slightly above avg. QB then he said slightly above avg. franchise QB. But OK..we can go with the latter. HE then said there are 20-25 franchise level QBs, which means 10-12 would be slightly above avg. Then he said Baker could be as high as 8. Then he compared Baker to Eli Manning. Can't imagine many who watch the sport think Eli was not better than "slightly above avg. franchise QB".

No matter what I say....he is shooting down his own theories and his friend did not "nail it". Had he said his friend is close and we'll have to see where Baker ends up"? who would argue with that? But it's not what he said.

Oh, and my favorite is still his guru friend with info he wont share told us he said the following of Baker......"he can succeed if he has a coach who will play to his strengths, but might struggle if he doesn't". How 1 team did not pay him whatever he wanted to make sure that info did not get in the hands of their opponent is hard to believe.

 

[shopson67]

They are solid against the run for sure.

I don't think they're as bad as their record. They've had a couple of winnable games get away from them. The one against your Raiders being the most egregious. But they've got a loooooong way to go. Especially on offense.

They're probably out of the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes, so it'll be interesting to see what they do. Darnold is talented and can play, but the lack of quality coaching and viable weapons is going to ruin his career if they don't get him some help. They should trade their pick for a good draft pick or 2 and a couple of guys who can actually play.

They HAVE to get rid of Gase. He already wasted years of Tannehill's career, and is now pounding Darnold into the ground. He gets way too much credit for Peyton's late career success in Denver.

 

[dtgold88]

So franchise QB’s, in my mind (by division):

Josh Allen
Mahomes
Carr
Big Ben
Lamar
Baker
Burrow
Tannehill
Rivers
Herbert
Watson
Dak
Wilson
Goff
Murray
Jimmy G
Rodgers
Cousins
Stafford
Brees
Brady


Bridgewater (some can, I won’t yet)

That’s 22. 23 including Teddy. So average would be 11-14 range. Slightly above average franchise QB 8-10 or so...sounds about right

I can’t call Tua one yet but Burrow and Herbert are imo.

Missed one obvious one (guessing an oversight) - Matt Ryan. Some others who might be are Darnold, Tua (as you mentioned), A. Smith, Wentz and Jones. Losing faith in Wentz and think away from Gase darnold might play better (not as good as some said before he came out though). I think more like 25-26. average then is 13. slightly above average 11-12. .....never mind the goal posts had to be moved to get to slightly above average "FRANCHISE" QB.

 

[dtgold88]

Even then, this exercise is completely pointless.

Because I never put a number on it.

The prediction was that he had a chance to be good, but wasn’t going to be a superstar.

Seems pretty on target to me.

And even then, the data my fiend has does best in identifying the superstars and the busts. Which it has done extremely well. The mid-pack guys are harder to pinpoint.

So you mean it's not easy to gauge QB success from college to the NFL unless it seems obvious to him?

 

[dtgold88]

man that sucks, hope u hit another one. Yeah i could lay 1k down on a lets see what happens if i hit for 500k lol, but not now, man!

Know of a good playoff pool if interested. Not lifechanging money, but I think the winner usually walks away with 2-3K if memory serves. $20 entry. all you do is pick the winners of all the playoff games through the SB. No spreads...make the picks before the playoffs start.

 

[dtgold88]

They HAVE to get rid of Gase. He already wasted years of Tannehill's career, and is now pounding Darnold into the ground. He gets way too much credit for Peyton's late career success in Denver.

was he still there the year Manning was pretty bad in Denver?

 

[Shanemansj13]

Missed one obvious one (guessing an oversight) - Matt Ryan. Some others who might be are Darnold, Tua (as you mentioned), A. Smith, Wentz and Jones. Losing faith in Wentz and think away from Gase darnold might play better (not as good as some said before he came out though). I think more like 25-26. average then is 13. slightly above average 11-12. .....never mind the goal posts had to be moved to get to slightly above average "FRANCHISE" QB.

Yeah missed Ryan. Darnold is not one, Tua not there yet. A. Smith seems like a very high replacement, he was at one point but not right now. Wentz is on the bench and trade block, eliminates him. Daniel Jones definitely is not lol. So total could be 23, 24 with Bridge. Either way around that number, + or - a few

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah missed Ryan. Darnold is not one, Tua not there yet. A. Smith seems like a very high replacement, he was at one point but not right now. Wentz is on the bench and trade block, eliminates him. Daniel Jones definitely is not lol. So total could be 23, 24 with Bridge. Either way around that number, + or - a few

Yes, Wentz is on bench now...but was also pretty solid last season (not great though). Not ready to write him off yet. Not sure why Jones is "definitely not". The lol does not enhance that opinion. Is he great? Heck no. But has a shot to be as good or better than some on that list as still kind of young.

 

[SteelersPride]

Know of a good playoff pool if interested. Not lifechanging money, but I think the winner usually walks away with 2-3K if memory serves. $20 entry. all you do is pick the winners of all the playoff games through the SB. No spreads...make the picks before the playoffs start.

What’s that through?

 

[trojanfan12]

They HAVE to get rid of Gase. He already wasted years of Tannehill's career, and is now pounding Darnold into the ground. He gets way too much credit for Peyton's late career success in Denver.

Yeah, I didn't realize he was that bad. He's been getting killed on talk shows this morning.

 

[dtgold88]

What’s that through?

an individual runs it. If you mean which site does he us I don't recall. sportswire maybe?

 

[tlance]

So you mean it's not easy to gauge QB success from college to the NFL unless it seems obvious to him?

Of course it isn’t.

But since you have no clue what my friend does or what his data is about, maybe you should just STFU.

How about that?

I will continue to correctly identify the superstars and busts at a much higher rate than NFL scouts based on his data.

And as I have said all along, true players in the middle of his data range (where Baker is) can go EITHER way, but they probably aren’t going to be elite.

Trying to claim he was “wrong on Baker” when he or I NEVER expressed a strong opinion on him is utterly ridiculous.

Now if I am wrong on Haskins, or Burrow or Herbert, or Kyler, then you can actually call me on it.

 

[SteelersPride]

an individual runs it. If you mean which site does he us I don't recall. sportswire maybe?

perhaps, i have a few im in, gotta see which ones are gonna run again, if one of them falls through i may be intersted, who handles payments, a site?

 

[dtgold88]

perhaps, i have a few im in, gotta see which ones are gonna run again, if one of them falls through i may be intersted, who handles payments, a site?

don't want to put his full name on here but it's by a guy named Dave S.

 

[dtgold88]

Of course it isn’t.

But since you have no clue what my friend does or what his data is about, maybe you should just STFU.

How about that?

I will continue to correctly identify the superstars and busts at a much higher rate than NFL scouts based on his data.

And as I have said all along, true players in the middle of his data range (where Baker is) can go EITHER way, but they probably aren’t going to be elite.

Trying to claim he was “wrong on Baker” when he or I NEVER expressed a strong opinion on him is utterly ridiculous.

Now if I am wrong on Haskins, or Burrow or Herbert, or Kyler, then you can actually call me on it.

I realize you cannot own your mistakes but I never said he was wrong on baker.....just said a little extreme to say he nailed it. ...especially with your own numbers used.

and as I have said you can say every QB not taken near the top of the draft and/or not one of the top 1-2 QBs taken will be a bust and you'll be right a lot more often than not.

Real NFL FOs who need QBs have to take a chance on the position and I'm sure they know there's a high chance they miss.

Never mind it's comical you said I moved the goal posts (I didn't) when you first said he said Baker was a slightly above avg. QB then switched to slightly above average FRANCHISE QB. and of course you wont acknowledge your goal post moving.

But my favorite is still your expert saying Baker needs a staff that plays to his strength and not one who wont. I cannot believe you were even permitted to share that with us.

 

[dtgold88]

perhaps, i have a few im in, gotta see which ones are gonna run again, if one of them falls through i may be intersted, who handles payments, a site?

in any bowl pools?

 

[SteelersPride]

don't want to put his full name on here but it's by a guy named Dave S.

No no u don’t need to. It was more how r payments handled. By him personally or by a site.0

 

[SteelersPride]

in any bowl pools?

A few yeah. I steer clear of those mostly I never win!

 

[WiggyRuss]

if the browns end 11-5 and miss the playoffs ill be so pissed.

 

[WiggyRuss]

who's bench would you rather have?

Warriors or Cavs? Its pretty close but i gotta say Cavs.

Cavs bench:

PG: Dante Exum
SG: Kevin Porter Jr.
SF: Cedi Osman
PF/C Larry Nance Jr.
C: JaVale McGee

(Windler/Delly/Dotson)


Warriors Bench (with Draymond Healthy to be Fair)

PG: Brad Wanamaker
SG: Damion Lee
SF: Kent Bazmore
PF: Eric Paschall
C: Kevin Looney


I would rather have Exum than Wanamaker.
I would raher have Porter than Lee
I would rather have Osman than Bazemore
and Larry Nance Jr. is a very solid player that would be one of the best bench bigs on any team and is much better than Paschall or
Kevin Looney and JaVale McGee are washes.


I mean- the Warriors are obviously way better than the Cavs----- but the Warriors bench is very very unimpressive. I gotta think its one of the 5 worst in the NBA.