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Top 10 CFB rivalries according to Fox Sports

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So Ohio State & meeeechegan have never liked each other but in your odd world it didn't really become a rivaly until Bo arrived & pulled off some upsets. Got it. :pound:
Yes, that's very much what happened. The "ten year war" is what made Michigan and ohio state one of the best rivalries in sports.
 

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I said that pretty early on. It's bad football thus an uninteresting rivlary (that's what this is all about - no?). Are you suggesting it's a good rivalry despite bad football?

Yes, as long as the fans' fear of losing that game means more than the joy of winning ...
 

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But relevant to what? That is what changes dramatically from POV to POV. Being a vet, and from a long line of vets, the Army - Navy game is special to me. More special than other teams from outside my home conference. But that's my POV.

Clearly, if you don't agree with my POV, then you are a commie, Godless heathen. :)
Well you may have a point about being a heathen, but I will thank you not to refer to me as a commie, good sir.

It is a good rivalry to you because of your military history, and I thank you for your service.

I guess the point is, when you take subjectivity out of it, what makes a rivalry one of the best? I think it's hard not to say relevancy on the actual football landscape has to be near the top, and Army and Navy simply haven't been relevant on the national landscape in so long.
 

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Yes, as long as the fans' fear of losing that game means more than the joy of winning ...
All rivalries are that way; it doesn't make them a nationally great rivalry. Michigan hates losing the Brown Jug, Minnesota hates losing the brown jug, it's a cool rivalry with lots of history and one of the best trophies in sports; but it doesn't make it a nationally great rivalry.
 

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I'd say we haven't helped in making it the best. But there's been enough times where both teams where ranked and the games were outstanding where it still holds up. Despite the bad call, that 2016 game was one of the best games to watch ever.

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Still hung up on that game 2016 huh? Time to get over it. You're one funny meeeechegan homer.

It seems like it's a rivalry when Yer Boyz have the advantage. But when Ohio State has the upper hand it's somehow diminished.
 

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Still hung up on that game 2016 huh? Time to get over it. You're one funny meeeechegan homer.

It seems like it's a rivalry when Yer Boyz have the advantage. But when Ohio State has the upper hand it's somehow diminished.
I didn't suggest that at all. I think we haven't been holding up our end of the bargain in the last 15 years or so. But even with Michigan having down years and not winning some games here and there; it's still been an awesome stretch lately in terms of compelling games nationally...and games with importance behind them. Just like when Michigan was winning and OSU wasn't in the 90's, it still made for great games and national story lines.
 

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Well you may have a point about being a heathen, but I will thank you not to refer to me as a commie, good sir.

It is a good rivalry to you because of your military history, and I thank you for your service.

I guess the point is, when you take subjectivity out of it, what makes a rivalry one of the best? I think it's hard not to say relevancy on the actual football landscape has to be near the top, and Army and Navy simply haven't been relevant on the national landscape in so long.

Really, IMHO national relevance is just icing on the cake. Alabama and Auburn only have a few years in the last 50 where we were simultaneously peaking on the national stage. It was just a couple of years ago that the winner of the IB won the division.

Since it is subjective, let me give you my rule of thumb for what makes a great rivalry: If I, as a fan with no vested interest in a rivalry, can watch the game just because I know what the loser will face for a year.
 

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Yes, that's very much what happened. The "ten year war" is what made Michigan and ohio state one of the best rivalries in sports.

Make sure to keep those custom meeeechegan homer goggles super glued to your face. Ohio State/meeeechegan wasn't a rivaly until Bo? You sure are crazy. But entertaining.
 

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Make sure to keep those custom meeeechegan homer goggles super glued to your face. Ohio State/meeeechegan wasn't a rivaly until Bo? You sure are crazy. But entertaining.
Your Ohio brain doesn't seem to comprehend, so let me spell it out.

This topic is *best rivalries. Michigan Ohio state was a rivalry before Bo/Woody; but it wasn't one of the *Best rivalries (as discussed in this thread). Michigan OSU took on another dimension during the 10 year war and really created the atmosphere we share today.
 

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Really, IMHO national relevance is just icing on the cake. Alabama and Auburn only have a few years in the last 50 where we were peaking on the national stage. It was just a couple of years ago that the winner of the IB won the division.

Since it is subjective, let me give you my rule of thumb for what makes a great rivalry: If I, as a fan with no vested interest in a rivalry, can watch the game just because I know what the loser will face for a year.
I think that goes along with the national relevancy thing, though. 2018 OSU-michigan drew 13,345,000 viewers. Ohio State and michigan have somewhere around 975,000 combined living alumni and current students in the world, and of course not all of them care about football, so let's assume the amount of viewers out of that number is probably somewhere around 700,000. That means over 12.5 million people with no ties to the universities still watched the game.
 

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Your Ohio brain doesn't seem to comprehend, so let me spell it out.

This topic is *best rivalries. Michigan Ohio state was a rivalry before Bo/Woody; but it wasn't one of the *Best rivalries (as discussed in this thread). Michigan OSU took on another dimension during the 10 year war and really created the atmosphere we share today.
Says who?
 

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Make sure to keep those custom meeeechegan homer goggles super glued to your face. Ohio State/meeeechegan wasn't a rivaly until Bo? You sure are crazy. But entertaining.
To be fair.... He is right that the ten year war elevated it to what it is now. It was a rivalry before, but that intensified it. Without that, it'd probably be more on par with Florida-Georgia. A really good rivalry involving two good programs, but not one that's generally regarded as a top 2 or 3 by most people (if not #1).
 

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To be fair.... He is right that the ten year war elevated it to what it is now. It was a rivalry before, but that intensified it. Without that, it'd probably be more on par with Florida-Georgia. A really good rivalry involving two good programs, but not one that's generally regarded as a top 2 or 3 by most people (if not #1).

My only point is Ohio/meeeechegan was a rivaly well before Bo. Yet he can't/won't admit it. Sure it was elevated once Bo got there. But to say it wasn't a rivaly before him is simply incorrect.
 

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Wait a minute. My brain doesn't work right yet you said it wasn't a rivalry until after Bo got there. You're homerism is stunning.
Nope, that's not what I said. I said, "But Michigan and OSU wasn't considered a great rivalry until Bo got here and upset OSU. "

Key word "great". It was certainly a rivalry before but there wasn't anything in particular that made it stand out among all the other rivalries developing around the country pre 50's.
 

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My only point is Ohio/meeeechegan was a rivaly well before Bo. Yet he can't/won't admit it.
I very literally said it was, the key distinction is that it was just one of many rivalries developing before the 10 year war happened. If they made a list of best rivalries in CFB prior to 1950, maybe Michigan OSU would have made the list but I'm guessing it wouldn't have. OSU just started to become a national power in the 40's and 50's. It certainly wouldn't have been considered before 1940.
 

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I think that goes along with the national relevancy thing, though. 2018 OSU-michigan drew 13,345,000 viewers. Ohio State and michigan have somewhere around 975,000 combined living alumni and current students in the world, and of course not all of them care about football, so let's assume the amount of viewers out of that number is probably somewhere around 700,000. That means over 12.5 million people with no ties to the universities still watched the game.

A great rivalry is kind of like what pron was to SCOTUS … hard to define but I know one when I see it.
 

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I could buy that ... I would put The Game (Michigan/ohio state) ahead of Alabama/Auburn ... Harvard/Yale could be on the list as well.

My List:

1. Michigan vs. ohio state

2. Army vs. Navy

3. Alabama vs. Auburn

4. Notre Dame vs. Southern Cal

5. Texas vs. Oklahoma

6. Georgia vs. Florida

7. Brigham Young vs. Utah

8. Miami vs. Florida State

9. Oregon vs Oregon State (although it should be Washington)

10. Ole Mississippi vs. Mississippi State

Any team can not have more than one primary rivalry ... there are many good secondary rivalries.
Alabama - LSU isn’t a rivalry game, it’s just a series that has been very good over the past 20 years, with Alabama leading 12-9 over that time, including 8-0 for the past 8 games. Prior to then, the series record was 41-16-5.

For pre-millennial Alabama fans, the Tennessee game was the biggest rivalry for many years, even bigger than the Iron Bowl, the only reason that it’s fallen so much recently is the current 12-0 run. I can assure you that when the Viles were going 9-1 against us from 1995 to 2004, it was still a rivalry to us. I just wished they hadn’t canned Fat Phil so soon, we owed him some ass whuppins.
 

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I very literally said it was, the key distinction is that it was just one of many rivalries developing before the 10 year war happened. If they made a list of best rivalries in CFB prior to 1950, maybe Michigan OSU would have made the list but I'm guessing it wouldn't have. OSU just started to become a national power in the 40's and 50's. It certainly wouldn't have been considered before 1940.

Again look into the history of those Gold Pants I mentioned started by Francis Schmidt in the 1930's. I think it's funny you're trying to pick & choose exactly when this rivalry started based on Bo. To insist our rivalry was nothing until 1969 is simply foolish.
 

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Again look into the history of those Gold Pants I mentioned started by Francis Schmidt in the 1930's. I think it's funny you're trying to pick & choose exactly when this rivalry started based on Bo. To insist our rivalry was nothing until 1969 is simply foolish.
Yes, it was a rivalry. And your gold pants show why it wasn't one of the best rivalries to start. In the first 30 games from the start of the rivalry until 1933, OSU had just 6 total wins. It was the start to a better rivalry between the two schools but wasn't something that cemented it as the best.
 
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