If Devin White falls to #11

[CrashDavisSports]

We will pass on him. He just took himself out of the comfort ability range of Mike Brown.

Devin White: I’ll be looking for $100 million in five years

Only two players have Mike Brown ever given 100 million for, and both were QB's.

 

[DanBengalfan]

to be fair, he's saying he'll want that amount of money for the second part of his career. Brown would straight up let him walk at that point, Linebackers don't always have long careers. But, he might still draft him.

 

[cincygrad]

I'm with Dan here.... Mikey will be happy to pay him on a rookie deal and then let him walk before his second contract. Hobs will explain that the Bengals don't pay linebackers.... Or guards... Or second receivers.... He'll tell us this and expect that we shouldn't question the strategies of a team with such a great track record of success.

 

[BKBroiler9000]

I'm with Dan here.... Mikey will be happy to pay him on a rookie deal and then let him walk before his second contract. Hobs will explain that the Bengals don't pay linebackers.... Or guards... Or second receivers.... He'll tell us this and expect that we shouldn't question the strategies of a team with such a great track record of success.

Almost three entire decades without a playoff win. That in itself has to be some kind of achievement.

 

[cincygrad]

Almost three entire decades without a playoff win. That in itself has to be some kind of achievement.

The Detroit Lions would like some respect for their attempts to suck as well.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

We will pass on him. He just took himself out of the comfort ability range of Mike Brown.

Devin White: I’ll be looking for $100 million in five years

Only two players have Mike Brown ever given 100 million for, and both were QB's.

He won't, but indeed, I think with the BAL LB getting $85 mil or so, one of these bad, cap rich teams might do it in FA. I'd still get my 5 yrs pound of flesh out of him and let the chips fall where they may after that...there will be another LB coming out I could pay a rookie contract to.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

He won't, but indeed, I think with the BAL LB getting $85 mil or so, one of these bad, cap rich teams might do it in FA. I'd still get my 5 yrs pound of flesh out of him and let the chips fall where they may after that...there will be another LB coming out I could pay a rookie contract to.

Our small market teams sure do have to play the system don't we? The Steelers just do a better job of getting the right (affordable) pieces in place on average, versus the Bengals. One of these years things have to somewhat change, right?

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Our small market teams sure do have to play the system don't we? The Steelers just do a better job of getting the right (affordable) pieces in place on average, versus the Bengals. One of these years things have to somewhat change, right?

Exactly...I think if you take Ben off the roster, CIN has probably drafted better certainly no worse the last decade. Ben made some pretty avg to low picks look a lot better than they would probably otherwise would've fared. Wallace, Sanders, Brown, now Juju.

On DEF...not so much. The Bengals have fared better imo.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Exactly...I think if you take Ben off the roster, CIN has probably drafted better certainly no worse the last decade. Ben made some pretty avg to low picks look a lot better than they would probably otherwise would've fared. Wallace, Sanders, Brown, now Juju.

On DEF...not so much. The Bengals have fared better imo.

Hmmm...and yet you almost always out rank us by the end of the year in defense. What is wrong with that picture if you are accurate on your assessment?

 

[futballiscool]

Exactly...I think if you take Ben off the roster, CIN has probably drafted better certainly no worse the last decade. Ben made some pretty avg to low picks look a lot better than they would probably otherwise would've fared. Wallace, Sanders, Brown, now Juju.

On DEF...not so much. The Bengals have fared better imo.

You can say he made Wallace better as he's a one trick pony deep threat and Roethlisberger throws a great deep ball but it's almost impossible to argue he made Sanders...

Emmanuel Sanders Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I think Roethlisberger's a very good QB who's benefited from an elite group of skill players during the back 9 of his career. It will be interesting to see how Brown fares this season in Oakland.

 

[cincygrad]

Our small market teams sure do have to play the system don't we? The Steelers just do a better job of getting the right (affordable) pieces in place on average, versus the Bengals. One of these years things have to somewhat change, right?

Our you being facetious? There is a salary cap in football. And the money for that cap is completely covered by television contracts and revenue sharing. This isn't baseball - There isn't an advantage for the big market teams when it comes to paying talent.

There is an advantage for an owners ability to make money.... Certainly Stan Kroenke is making more in LA (or will once his stadium is done) than he did in St. Louis. But his profits have nothing to do with the his ability to put talent on the field.

 

[DanBengalfan]

The Steelers understand the value of line blocking and defense.

if you only watch football hightlights, and never watch any games, or never attempt to play any sports yourself, then the whole strategy and heart of the game eludes you, as it ahs the bengals.

 

[DanBengalfan]

course I only watched highlights last year, I will eventually forget.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Hmmm...and yet you almost always out rank us by the end of the year in defense. What is wrong with that picture if you are accurate on your assessment?

CIN PIT
2008 19 1
2009 6 12
2010 24 1
2011 9 1
2012 12 6
2013 5 14
2014 12 18
2015 2 11
2016 8 10
2017 16 10
2018 30 16

Ranking the last 11 seasons.

I think PIT hit on some great players during the Cowher era that were still in their prime up until about 2008...the '10 and '11 seasons Woodley emerged as a big time player and Harrison was still effective late in his career.

Overall PIT did post more higher ranked seasons, but it's not as lopsided as one might think...CIN had a injuries that effected the '18 season ranking. Keep in mind...5 of those seasons CIN posted a sub .500 record so the picks were much higher than PITs...and finally, when Marvin got it rolling, it seems like every other year he was replacing a DC...whereas PIT had only 2 covering the same period.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

You can say he made Wallace better as he's a one trick pony deep threat and Roethlisberger throws a great deep ball but it's almost impossible to argue he made Sanders...

Emmanuel Sanders Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I think Roethlisberger's a very good QB who's benefited from an elite group of skill players during the back 9 of his career. It will be interesting to see how Brown fares this season in Oakland.

Good point, but I still think you can argue that Sanders was developed in PIT...but DEN got the benefit of it. His biggest problem was staying healthy and available. I think he had 1 season at the WR2 spot mostly healthy...that's why he was expendable.

Back 9...some truth there but it wasn't so much the skill position players imo...Ben had a great OL and that imo turned Bell into a star, but Brown was a 6th round pick.

It will be interesting...I don't expect him to better his numbers with Ben but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Our you being facetious? There is a salary cap in football. And the money for that cap is completely covered by television contracts and revenue sharing. This isn't baseball - There isn't an advantage for the big market teams when it comes to paying talent.

There is an advantage for an owners ability to make money.... Certainly Stan Kroenke is making more in LA (or will once his stadium is done) than he did in St. Louis. But his profits have nothing to do with the his ability to put talent on the field.

IDK about that...agree that you can't buy a team in the NFL so just being in a big market doesn't really offer a big advantage in that sense. But...off the field money making endorsement opportunities are considerably better in large markets.

Just using A. Brown as an example...BUF could pay him as much as OAK could, but the lure of being in SF or Vegas was a lot more attractive.

 

[futballiscool]

Good point, but I still think you can argue that Sanders was developed in PIT...but DEN got the benefit of it. His biggest problem was staying healthy and available. I think he had 1 season at the WR2 spot mostly healthy...that's why he was expendable.

Back 9...some truth there but it wasn't so much the skill position players imo...Ben had a great OL and that imo turned Bell into a star, but Brown was a 6th round pick.

It will be interesting...I don't expect him to better his numbers with Ben but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.

The Steelers have done a great job identifying and developing mid rd talent at WR the past decade or so. No argument there.

I just think Brown was a difference maker. Not sure he'll better his numbers in Oakland as it's a new offense in his 30s but if Carr is the QB and they both stay healthy I put the over/under at 1400 yds

 

[jbuck]

11. Cincinnati Bengals – Ohio State QB Dwayne Haskins

I thought about an offensive lineman, but how often do chances to draft a developmental QB come up like this? Andy Dalton has an extremely team-friendly contract, and the Bengals can move on from him at basically any point with no collateral damage. Grooming Haskins in what should be a rebuild season would be a deft move. New head coach Zac Taylor was asked at the scouting combine what he sought in a potential quarterback addition, and it seems to fit Haskins’ traits to a tee.

“The important thing is are they going to elevate the level of play of the people around them,” Taylor said. “Are they ready to lead and be accurate, can they get the ball out on time, are they tough physically and mentally? So if a guy has all those traits and you are willing to invest the time in them to figure out what they do best, how they process information and how to get the most out of them, then [they] have a shot to succeed.”

 

[ATL96Steeler]

The Steelers have done a great job identifying and developing mid rd talent at WR the past decade or so. No argument there.

I just think Brown was a difference maker. Not sure he'll better his numbers in Oakland as it's a new offense in his 30s but if Carr is the QB and they both stay healthy I put the over/under at 1400 yds

Still a top 3 WR in the league, but I might take the under....1200-1300 is my guess. I don't expect him to get 160+ targets in OAK.

Carr...I'm a little surprised to see these mocks with OAK taking a QB early.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Our you being facetious? There is a salary cap in football. And the money for that cap is completely covered by television contracts and revenue sharing. This isn't baseball - There isn't an advantage for the big market teams when it comes to paying talent.

There is an advantage for an owners ability to make money.... Certainly Stan Kroenke is making more in LA (or will once his stadium is done) than he did in St. Louis. But his profits have nothing to do with the his ability to put talent on the field.

Now you are being too naive here. Yes, every team has an equal amount of money to spend on their players with that salary cap. The difference now a days is, that guaranteed money (signing bonus).

If a guy, say Thomas of the Ravens, gets a 4 years at 55 million with a 20 million signing bonus...the Ravens have to give him 20 million right that minute. Yes, this is part of the cap and they will recoup this money over that 4 year period, but in the meantime, that money had to come from somewhere.

The Browns and Rooney's are football guys. Their money comes from football, not outside sources like some of these billion dollar owners. Plus, market will help determine that extra income as well to put towards signing bonuses and what not.

It is a not a huge disadvantage, but it is certainly a disadvantage for smaller market teams, especially smaller market teams whose owners are football guys, not billionaire entrepreneurs.