Kirk Cousin is a flop bleacher report

[Sportster 72]

It doesn’t matter what the subject is it turns into a shitfest 3 posts in. A solid road win in division yesterday and 3rd post in is Smith sucks. Sooooo very old. Skins 5-2 and all I read is cousins.... Smith.... Fuller..... what I see is stats aside this team happens to seem to like each other and plays as a unit. I can’t say the same when 8 was here

You bitch and whine every time you see Cousin's name yet you had a post last night, coach had several, chill made a comment that held no truth. Wasn't me, wasn't a lot of us but if you guys want to keep this up we can.

Cousin's had no defense and no run game any of his three years here so tell me how that compares to the what CDC is getting this year? You can say, hey we are 5-2 and that would be true. Then thank the D, the ST and the RB because the only game I saw CDC do much in was against Green Bay. I say "shit hot" because you have to have a complete team to win. One of the things we were told the last three years is Cousin's can't carry the team. Ummm, is CDC carrying the team? I could probably get Hellen Keller to answer that correctly before some of you would.

Cousin's has 1200 more passing yards and twice as many TD passes. It isn't close which one is better. NOT even close.

Y'all want to keep the dialogue up no problem because this is like Secretariat against coaches nag Delilah.

Enjoy the record, I am. You aren't going to win the which guy is a better QB.

Once again, look at who started this thread. BTW, he is the same guy that said the game was lost when AP fumbled yesterday.

 

[Kevin12773]

You bitch and whine every time you see Cousin's name yet you had a post last night, coach had several, chill made a comment that held no truth. Wasn't me, wasn't a lot of us but if you guys want to keep this up we can.

Cousin's had no defense and no run game any of his three years here so tell me how that compares to the what CDC is getting this year? You can say, hey we are 5-2 and that would be true. Then thank the D, the ST and the RB because the only game I saw CDC do much in was against Green Bay.

Cousin's has 1200 more passing yards and twice as many TD passes. It isn't close which one is better. NOT even close.

Y'all want to keep the dialogue up no problem because this is like Secretariat against coaches nag Delilah.

Enjoy the record, I am. You aren't going to win the which guy is a better QB.

Never have I said Smith is better than Kirk but I continue to ask why it’s the topic every thread I open
3 common opponents both skins and vikes have played this season. Skins ar e 2-1 vikes are 1-1-1
Zona skins scored 24 vikes 27
GB skins 31-vikes 29
NO skins 19- vikes 20
Wow huge difference I see what the fuss is all about

 

[Sportster 72]

Like I said, look who started the thread. Wasn't me, wasn't dad. If you think that is all we are saying then you aren't reading all the threads we root the team on. As I have already mentioned, this is a forum where people give opinions. That is going to change.

Personally I am super excited about the front 7 on D and will be the first one to say I didn't think bringing in AP was a good idea. I will gladly eat my plate of humble pie. I hope the winning continues. Hell I have a man crush on Ioannidis. I watched him play at Temple, he tosses dudes around like they were a sack of feathers.

I do think there should be some concern about Smith and his QB play but so far it hasn't hurt the team.

 

[gkekoa]

It doesn’t matter what the subject is it turns into a shitfest 3 posts in. A solid road win in division yesterday and 3rd post in is Smith sucks. Sooooo very old. Skins 5-2 and all I read is cousins.... Smith.... Fuller..... what I see is stats aside this team happens to seem to like each other and plays as a unit. I can’t say the same when 8 was here

Please take note of the thread name. WTH did you think this thread was about? From there, it wasn’t KC supporters who brought it up. It was a hater.

Also, Alex Smith does suck. He has been absolutely horrible. He has been extremely fortunate not to lose the fumbles he has committed. He has been extremely fortunate our defense has been stellar and our run game good.

As for playing as a unit...funny how talent and health makes it appear that way. So tell me, what did KC have to do with defensive unit cohesiveness? What is AS doing that makes the defense play so freakin’ well?

 

[gkekoa]

he hasn't lost any games for us. we have been through this.

Indy...yes he did.

 

[Breed]

It doesn’t matter what the subject is it turns into a shitfest 3 posts in. A solid road win in division yesterday and 3rd post in is Smith sucks. Sooooo very old. Skins 5-2 and all I read is cousins.... Smith.... Fuller..... what I see is stats aside this team happens to seem to like each other and plays as a unit. I can’t say the same when 8 was here

This is the only Skins forum I frequent. Are there Skins forums where there is no Cousins or Fuller talk? Where everyone is all giddy about being 5-2. Despite the piss poor QB play which seems to be getting worse, not better. That acknowledges the defense has improved, but in its only games against marquee QBs, Luck n Brees, are 0-2. That we've only scored 2 TDs in the 2nd half of all our games combined, a garbage time TD n AP's monster 64 yard run. A 33 year old RB who wasn't even an afterthought by Skins fans........till Guise's injury. Has literally been a godsend putting the offense on his back and carrying it. I shudder to think where we'd be w/o AP this year, but in the last 2 games he's toted the rock 50 times. Does anyone think that's sustainable?

As for team harmony and unity. At 5-2 with a near 2 game lead it should look good. It can also be a fragile thing and while stats aren't the end all, be all in the measuring of a player or a team. If Smith doesn't improve upon his stats of 223 passing yards a game, 6.8 yards per att and a TD pass per game. I imagine that unity and particularly that harmony will be tested.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

What Jon Gruden is doing ti the Raiders its right thing to do if i have a LB that makes i dont know von miller like money and im paying 20 mill a year and we are 1-6 why even have him its the same philosophy of are Awesome FO who built this Defense why pay 30 mill plus for a qb that we are not even winning only bad thing about kirk leaving is we did not get any return except a cap space .. Now Kirk is making alot more Money on a team thats 4-3-1 where as Alex as of now is making less on 5-2 team we are winning with less investments and people are mad

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Its more about the team not individualism

 

[j_y19]

Never have I said Smith is better than Kirk but I continue to ask why it’s the topic every thread I open
3 common opponents both skins and vikes have played this season. Skins ar e 2-1 vikes are 1-1-1
Zona skins scored 24 vikes 27
GB skins 31-vikes 29
NO skins 19- vikes 20
Wow huge difference I see what the fuss is all about

Did you not see the title of this thread??? If you don't want to see posts about Cousins, why would you even open this thread up?? What in the world did you expect? If you don't want to read about the KC issue (that is not really a KC issue, but a front office issue that has all of us in an uproar), then exercise some self control and just ignore threads and posters that bother you so much. If what you really want is a rah rah Redskins homer board, you might want to search somewhere else. Because there are too many of us long time Skins fans that recognize that while the seas are smooth sailing right now, we have a major problem and are heading right for a HUGE iceberg. That the path we are on is a direct result of the incompetence, once again, of our Front Office. That is what the Cousins issue is all about.

 

[Sportster 72]

What Jon Gruden is doing ti the Raiders its right thing to do if i have a LB that makes i dont know von miller like money and im paying 20 mill a year and we are 1-6 why even have him its the same philosophy of are Awesome FO who built this Defense why pay 30 mill plus for a qb that we are not even winning only bad thing about kirk leaving is we did not get any return except a cap space .. Now Kirk is making alot more Money on a team thats 4-3-1 where as Alex as of now is making less on 5-2 team we are winning with less investments and people are mad

Here is what the Redskins are saving per year $4.465 million dollars per year. That is based on Smith's 3 year total of $71 million vs. Cousin's $84 million. At the end of three years the Vikings can try to resign Cousin's or cut bait. At the end of three years the Redskins either pay Smith his cap hit of $24.4 million or cut him and take a dead cap hit of $13.5 million dollars.

Answer your own question. Why didn't your boy Bruce get some return on Cousin's? A 7th round pick would be more than the path they chose to take which was to trade for Smith which cost them a 3rd round pick and a productive CB while telling Cousin's we aren't going to make a fair market offer. It isn't just that Cousin's is better, it is the fact that this was so mismanaged that we gave up resources for a lesser QB and got nothing for the better QB. Total fail by Allen.

 

[j_y19]

Here is what the Redskins are saving per year $4.465 million dollars per year. That is based on Smith's 3 year total of $71 million vs. Cousin's $84 million. At the end of three years the Vikings can try to resign Cousin's or cut bait. At the end of three years the Redskins either pay Smith his cap hit of $24.4 million or cut him and take a dead cap hit of $13.5 million dollars.

Answer your own question. Why didn't your boy Bruce get some return on Cousin's? A 7th round pick would be more than the path they chose to take which was to trade for Smith which cost them a 3rd round pick and a productive CB while telling Cousin's we aren't going to make a fair market offer. It isn't just that Cousin's is better, it is the fact that this was so mismanaged that we gave up resources for a lesser QB and got nothing for the better QB. Total fail by Allen.

Cmon, Sportster, you only spew these facts because you have a cousins bromance.

Here's some food for thought about AS. Do you realize he is the only NFL starting QB to play the majority of the season (15 games) and not have one TD to a WR? He did this in 2014 in KC. Does this sound familiar? He has been a check down charlie his entire career. He has never thrown the ball down the field. So what did this FO think they were getting in AS? You know what I think. I think after the fucked up the KC situation, they got desperate and panicked and gave up way too much for a 35 year old "game manager". One who can only manage a game when they have a lead. SO for those of you that think he can turn this around, he is 35. He has always played this way. Why do you think this is just a blip in his performance?

 

[chillerdab]

Actually if you saw what happened Diggs was running to where Cousin's threw the ball but stopped just as Cousin's threw it. But I am not surprised folks here did not see that. Even if you didn't see it every freaking announcer around told you what happened.

I saw the highlights, but didn't hear the commentary.

Listen old man: I think Alex Smith has been pretty bad. I think that the Redskins are carrying him, not the other way around.

But if you are shocked that KC threw this interception at an inopportune time, in an important game, then you're fooling yourself.

Sure, Diggs didn't run out the route. I get it. After all, that's what the announcers said. Not KC's fault. Could of happened to anyone.

Except it DOES happen to KC. A lot.

And it HASN'T happened to Alex Smith, yet.

Mostly because Alex Smith has made just about zero plays.

 

[chillerdab]

This tells me that D-Coordinators pressure KC despite his lofty stats, because they know - what we all know - that he's prone to cough it up at inopportune times.

You're welcome.

 

[skinz2winz]

Like I said, look who started the thread. Wasn't me, wasn't dad. If you think that is all we are saying then you aren't reading all the threads we root the team on. As I have already mentioned, this is a forum where people give opinions. That is going to change.

Personally I am super excited about the front 7 on D and will be the first one to say I didn't think bringing in AP was a good idea. I will gladly eat my plate of humble pie. I hope the winning continues. Hell I have a man crush on Ioannidis. I watched him play at Temple, he tosses dudes around like they were a sack of feathers.

I do think there should be some concern about Smith and his QB play but so far it hasn't hurt the team.

This is simply not true.

 

[skinsdad62]

he hasn't lost any games for us. we have been through this.

he lost the saints game and he lost the colts game

 

[gkekoa]

I saw the highlights, but didn't hear the commentary.

Listen old man: I think Alex Smith has been pretty bad. I think that the Redskins are carrying him, not the other way around.

But if you are shocked that KC threw this interception at an inopportune time, in an important game, then you're fooling yourself.

Sure, Diggs didn't run out the route. I get it. After all, that's what the announcers said. Not KC's fault. Could of happened to anyone.

Except it DOES happen to KC. A lot.

And it HASN'T happened to Alex Smith, yet.

Mostly because Alex Smith has made just about zero plays.

OK...so let me get this straight...it wasn’t KC’s fault, but it was his fault because he threw it to where his player was supposed to be. So he should never throw to open players?

Define a lot. In 2018, the only QB with more TDs and equal or less ints is Phillip Rivers. In 2017, KC did throw 13 ints;however, considering we were always behind and led the league in OL injuries, that may explain it. In 2016, only Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Carr and Mariota had fewer ints with more TDs. 10-13 picks a season is a good QB with 25-30 TDs.

 

[j_y19]

This tells me that D-Coordinators pressure KC despite his lofty stats, because they know - what we all know - that he's prone to cough it up at inopportune times.

You're welcome.

You might want to read more. You will also find out he is the highest rated QB this year when pressured.

 

[ehb5]

This tells me that D-Coordinators pressure KC despite his lofty stats, because they know - what we all know - that he's prone to cough it up at inopportune times.

You're welcome.

Then why is he doing so well against that pressure?

 

[chillerdab]

If Vikings opponents keep pressuring KC despite the fact that he is "the highest rated qb when pressured," then why do YOU think they keep pressuring him, kemosabe? Because they don't read? Because they don't use stats? Or because they have seen the same tape we have, of KC chucking it up at inopportune times when pressured.

He singlehandedly ended the redskins season a few years ago. You remember that little gem vs. the giants, don't you?

Look: Alex Smith has sucked here. I highly doubt he'll "figure it out" as he gets "used to the system," as might be the spin. For starters, he's 34 already, never been a great passer to begin with (save last year), and has always seemed gunshy especially downfield.

But what he DOESNT do is what KC DOES do - make bad plays.

IT's not that hard.

 

[chillerdab]

OK...so let me get this straight...it wasn’t KC’s fault, but it was his fault because he threw it to where his player was supposed to be. So he should never throw to open players?

Define a lot. In 2018, the only QB with more TDs and equal or less ints is Phillip Rivers. In 2017, KC did throw 13 ints;however, considering we were always behind and led the league in OL injuries, that may explain it. In 2016, only Rodgers, Ryan, Brady, Carr and Mariota had fewer ints with more TDs. 10-13 picks a season is a good QB with 25-30 TDs.

Ummm what? What does "it wasn't KC's fault but it was his fault" mean? Your first paragraph makes zero sense.

Garbage time TDs, like garbage time yards don't really matter, do they? Especially if the reason the redskins were playing catch up to begin with is because KC threw a terrible pass into double coverage in the third quarter to let the redskins opponents go up by two scores.

You mean to tell me you don't remember that happening with some frequency when he was here?

Don't get me wrong, I think that the 2018 Redskins - the one with the sick dline, and the above average secondary play - could probably cover up some of his mistakes had KC chose to stay here. But he didn't. And this weekend was another shining example of everything that KC is - a legit #1 qb with a penchant for boneheaded ints.

Also, the one terrible int won't show up in the stat line for a no-doubt-about-it top 10 qb in the league like KC, but we sure as shit can remember them. See "End of Redskins Season vs giants."