Mid Major schools should have their own division

[rmilia1]

12 weeks of meaningful football > 3-4 weeks of meaningful football.

We don't have 12 weeks of meaningful games . Id argue adding teams makes more games meaningful as you could go 8-2 and still have a chance to make the playoff .As is 80% of the country is out with 1 loss.

It's an old argument so people think it's trye but it's just not . In fact CFB has a higher % of meaningless games than any other sport pro or college

 

[rmilia1]

I'm not following you there. (I'm definitely slow sometimes )

Example .

Michigan loses this weekend for their second loss .

Result - you can still win the division , you can still win the B10 but you're national title hopes are over

If you did it my way

Result - you could still win the division , you could still win the B10 but you could also still make the playoff

Nothing changes except your ability to win a national title

This would be true for many teams making games MORE meaningful later in the season

 

[belcherboy]

Example .

Michigan loses this weekend for their second loss .

Result - you can still win the division , you can still win the B10 but you're national title hopes are over

If you did it my way

Result - you could still win the division , you could still win the B10 but you could also still make the playoff

Nothing changes except your ability to win a national title

This would be true for many teams making games MORE meaningful later in the season

But what you've just created is the NFL. No cares about Division titles any longer in the NFL. Why? Because nearly half the league makes the playoffs, and that is all that matters. If you don't win in the playoffs, than it often is a black eye to your season.

 

[WizardHawk]

Adding more playoff teams doesn't make any of the stuff you just wrote meaningless though . People want the atgijrny both ways.

They want to say "college football I'd great because every game matters so much" which is fine but they argument is no less true by adding playoff teams. If the goal is to win a Natty then adding teams adds meaning . If the goal is winning your division , winning your league , getting better then adding teams doesn't change any of that

We've all been around and around on this for years.

If they added more, but to the same system of selection as now I wouldn't exactly go crazy, but I don't believe it is needed.

If we are talking about anything even remotely similar to auto bids you will ruin so much about the sport to fix something that isn't broken.

 

[rmilia1]

But what you've just created is the NFL. No cares about Division titles any longer in the NFL. Why? Because nearly half the league makes the playoffs, and that is all that matters. If you don't win in the playoffs, than it often is a black eye to your season.

The only reason people care about division titles in CFB is because you then get to play for your oeague tiitle in another huge game . Replacing that game with a playoff game would he just as exciting if not more exciting

I find it odd a fan of Michigan atjoeticd is arguing this. Have you not enjoyed your hoops teams 2 trips to the national title game the past 6 years? You know neither if those would've happened if CBB worked like CFB .

 

[Deep Creek]

Ah, the 6 team playoff... Are they just gonna give up on the bowls and all that revenue in favor of a 6 team playoff then?

 

[NolePride]

Dude Boise just wants to bitch about requiring home and home they aren’t really interested in taking the team on the road and following the FSU formula.

It's almost impossible for them to follow the FSU formula.

FSU was an independent. We scheduled whenever and wherever
we could. And we would play anybody, anytime, anywhere.

You just have to gamble and drop out of a league and go it on your
own. The only one that has tried that lately was BYU and they have
failed miserably.

Bowls select differently than when they did when FSU was on the
rise. Now, all but two or three spots are guaranteed to conf
affiliations. They would be in a scramble for lesser bowl games
with zero money. FSU was an Independent and went to consecutive Orange Bowl games. New Mexico State isn't going
to get two consecutive Orange Bowl Bids as an Independent.

That "Group of 5" token pick every year for one of the elite bowls
is reserved for only the Highest Rated Conf Champ from the Go5
leagues...not the independents. Even BYU is shut out of that.

Plus, it wasn't just FSU that was an Independent back then. There
was no league in the East. Just the 13 Eastern Independents.
They included Penn St, Pitt, W Va, VPI, Syracuse, Boston Coll.
etc...There were enough independents to create a decent schedule
as an Independent.

It's a different world now.

 

[WizardHawk]

We don't have 12 weeks of meaningful games . Id argue adding teams makes more games meaningful as you could go 8-2 and still have a chance to make the playoff .As is 80% of the country is out with 1 loss.

It's an old argument so people think it's trye but it's just not . In fact CFB has a higher % of meaningless games than any other sport pro or college

You do get that any argument where you can win 8 games and still make a playoff and doesn't water down the regular season then is just plain dumb right?

I'm WAY more on the edge of my seat for every single week of the college season than the NFL. Easy as hell to shrug off losses, even groups of losses, because they don't end your chances. That's a fact.

Moving to that sort of thing for college would do the exact same thing. Oh well, no biggie, still have the playoffs in front of us.

So his point about 12 > 3-4 is quite valid.

What you were trying to argue, which is more after that loss you still have something to play for and thus more scrub fans are more engaged rings hollow IMO.

It's a 12 game season. Just twelve. Win each week. You will be rewarded. Lose and you still have a lot to play for, but you likely won't be one of the final 4. It works, it's fair, no one is a paper champion because they have to earn it in the playoffs. No one is crowned without being tested. It just works.

It's mostly the fans of teams that got left out as #5 - #10 that complain the most about this format. To me that means it's working just fine. You won't ever make the last team left out happy no matter what you do.

 

[4down20]

It's funny how someone can claim that the regular season has no meaning simply because it has no meaning for them personally.

What a selfish little cun+ thing to say.

Oh, all this stuff has meaning for the teams that are still in it? Doesn't matter, we need a solution that makes Iowa relevant until the last second!

Fuck off I say.

 

[Deep Creek]

Let's just end this and create another division in football. Separate the P5 teams from the G5 teams, and create two NCAA divisions from them. Each can have their playoffs, and you can even have some cross over bowl games for non playoff teams.

That is waaayyyyyyy to sensible and logical to even have a chance of happening.

 

[Deep Creek]

More meaningful than they are now. We are happy through the season and there's what 15 or 16 teams who have any realistic shot of making the playoff ?

People always say itd make the regular season meaningless but the reality is the regular season is neaningoess to 75% of the teams after week 3 the way it is now

You do realize those 15-16 teams are decided on national signing days the previous four years don't you?

 

[4down20]

btw OP - The G5 schools already have this option. They can at any time drop down to the FCS level. It is their CHOICE to play at the FBS level and the way things are.

And it's a pretty damn good setup for them, which is why every year teams from the FCS seem to join the FBS level, up to like 130 teams now.

Because while you may think this shit is such a big deal, the teams aren't under some delusion they are trying to compete for national championships every year or whatever. They are simply trying to improve their programs and so forth.

Basically, you're nothing more than a solution looking to create a problem.

 

[rmilia1]

You do realize those 15-16 teams are decided on national signing days the previous four years don't you?

Sure. Doesn't make it less boring

 

[rmilia1]

You do get that any argument where you can win 8 games and still make a playoff and doesn't water down the regular season then is just plain dumb right?

I'm WAY more on the edge of my seat for every single week of the college season than the NFL. Easy as hell to shrug off losses, even groups of losses, because they don't end your chances. That's a fact.

Moving to that sort of thing for college would do the exact same thing. Oh well, no biggie, still have the playoffs in front of us.

So his point about 12 > 3-4 is quite valid.

What you were trying to argue, which is more after that loss you still have something to play for and thus more scrub fans are more engaged rings hollow IMO.

It's a 12 game season. Just twelve. Win each week. You will be rewarded. Lose and you still have a lot to play for, but you likely won't be one of the final 4. It works, it's fair, no one is a paper champion because they have to earn it in the playoffs. No one is crowned without being tested. It just works.

It's mostly the fans of teams that got left out as #5 - #10 that complain the most about this format. To me that means it's working just fine. You won't ever make the last team left out happy no matter what you do.

I'm not advocating for 8-4 teams getting in

I'm saying
1 ooc game
9 league games

Take the top 32 teams ) personally I'd do the 10 league winners and 22 at larges )

You then seed them in quadrants to reduce travel and bam

All you're losing is 2 largely irrelevant ooc games and you're replacing league title games with playoff games

Sure some 8-2 or 7-3 teams might get in but so what ? It's still better than watching 6-6 Utah St play 7-5 Toledo in the all American dildo bowl sponsored by ky jelly

 

[ericd7633]

It's almost impossible for them to follow the FSU formula.

FSU was an independent. We scheduled whenever and wherever
we could. And we would play anybody, anytime, anywhere.

You just have to gamble and drop out of a league and go it on your
own. The only one that has tried that lately was BYU and they have
failed miserably.

Bowls select differently than when they did when FSU was on the
rise. Now, all but two or three spots are guaranteed to conf
affiliations. They would be in a scramble for lesser bowl games
with zero money. FSU was an Independent and went to consecutive Orange Bowl games. New Mexico State isn't going
to get two consecutive Orange Bowl Bids as an Independent.

That "Group of 5" token pick every year for one of the elite bowls
is reserved for only the Highest Rated Conf Champ from the Go5
leagues...not the independents. Even BYU is shut out of that.

Plus, it wasn't just FSU that was an Independent back then. There
was no league in the East. Just the 13 Eastern Independents.
They included Penn St, Pitt, W Va, VPI, Syracuse, Boston Coll.
etc...There were enough independents to create a decent schedule
as an Independent.

It's a different world now.

Yeah, this is good analysis. In Bowden's first year his opponents were as follows: Miami(Independent), Memphis(Independent), Oklahoma(Big 8), Kansas State(Big 8), Boston College(Independent), Florida(SEC), Auburn(SEC), Clemson(ACC), (Southern Miss(Independent), North Texas(Independent), Virginia Tech(Independent).

6 Independents and 5 from conferences. Plus conferences were smaller back then. Schools needed more OOC games.

 

[Sgt Brutus]

The top Group of 5 teams should get a legit chance to play in the playoff. UCF should have been there.

Only if it expands to 6-8 teams. No group 5 should (probably) ever make a final four. With 5 power conferences I just don't see many scenarios where you can justify putting a UCF. Houston, Boise in no matter how good they seem to be. The difference in competition played is far too great.

 

[Wild Turkey]

It's almost impossible for them to follow the FSU formula.

FSU was an independent. We scheduled whenever and wherever
we could. And we would play anybody, anytime, anywhere.

You just have to gamble and drop out of a league and go it on your
own. The only one that has tried that lately was BYU and they have
failed miserably.

Bowls select differently than when they did when FSU was on the
rise. Now, all but two or three spots are guaranteed to conf
affiliations. They would be in a scramble for lesser bowl games
with zero money. FSU was an Independent and went to consecutive Orange Bowl games. New Mexico State isn't going
to get two consecutive Orange Bowl Bids as an Independent.

That "Group of 5" token pick every year for one of the elite bowls
is reserved for only the Highest Rated Conf Champ from the Go5
leagues...not the independents. Even BYU is shut out of that.

Plus, it wasn't just FSU that was an Independent back then. There
was no league in the East. Just the 13 Eastern Independents.
They included Penn St, Pitt, W Va, VPI, Syracuse, Boston Coll.
etc...There were enough independents to create a decent schedule
as an Independent.

It's a different world now.

They are playing one P5 school. With their schedule there is no defense and I'm not going to listen to them cry either.

 

[Deep Creek]

Sure. Doesn't make it less boring

It may well make it more boring.

 

[PhilSimms11]

@PhilSimms11
Look, you found a friend.

HEY, he (or she) found me.

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm not advocating for 8-4 teams getting in

I'm saying
1 ooc game
9 league games

Take the top 32 teams ) personally I'd do the 10 league winners and 22 at larges )

You then seed them in quadrants to reduce travel and bam

All you're losing is 2 largely irrelevant ooc games and you're replacing league title games with playoff games

Sure some 8-2 or 7-3 teams might get in but so what ? It's still better than watching 6-6 Utah St play 7-5 Toledo in the all American dildo bowl sponsored by ky jelly

Well I'm for eliminating bowls, but that's me.

I'm not for anything remotely similar to what you propose. At all. Ever. Please God no. That version of college football is a perverse monstrocity IMO. Fuck no.