Mid Major schools should have their own division

[romeo212000]

The top Group of 5 teams should get a legit chance to play in the playoff. UCF should have been there.

No they shouldn’t have

 

[kburjr]

USF has scheduled the way you should when you want to have a chance at the playoff. Odds are they won't win all of their OOC games, so it won't matter, but at least they are scheduling like they want to have a chance.

2019: Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, BYU
2020: Texas
2021: NC State, BYU
2022: Texas, Florida, Louisville

Scheduling P5 programs simply won't cut it for G5 teams. You need to schedule a team that has been consistent and will be a good opponent. Obviously some of it is luck, but if you schedule the likes of Wisconsin, Texas, and Florida, odds are that will turn into a top 25 team.

Pitt didn't lose their coach to Wisconsin. Chryst was there on a lend/lease situation. Everyone in Madison knew that.

 

[Hitman Hart]

Pitt didn't lose their coach to Wisconsin. Chryst was there on a lend/lease situation. Everyone in Madison knew that.

everyone in Madison knew that Gary Andersen was going to bolt for Oregon State after two years?

 

[rmilia1]

I'd prefer we just did it like D3. You play 1 OOC game , 9 conference games . Keep the committee and pick the 32 best teams after 10 games and go settoe it on the field . It'd keep the regular season meaningful but make the postseason exponentially better . I really don't see the argument against it other than people just not wanting to change

 

[belcherboy]

Let's just end this and create another division in football. Separate the P5 teams from the G5 teams, and create two NCAA divisions from them. Each can have their playoffs, and you can even have some cross over bowl games for non playoff teams.

 

[belcherboy]

I'd prefer we just did it like D3. You play 1 OOC game , 9 conference games . Keep the committee and pick the 32 best teams after 10 games and go settoe it on the field . It'd keep the regular season meaningful but make the postseason exponentially better . I really don't see the argument against it other than people just not wanting to change

Having 32 playoff teams would keep the season games meaningful? I just don't see that happening any more than the NCAA men's basketball games are meaningful (I mean, severe teams lose 1/3 or more of their games and still make the tourney) You would have several 4 loss teams, and likely a 5 loss team in the playoffs.

I just don't see a 32 team playoff working at all.

 

[rmilia1]

Having 32 playoff teams would keep the season games meaningful? I just don't see that happening any more than the NCAA men's basketball games are meaningful (I mean, severe teams lose 1/3 or more of their games and still make the tourney) You would have several 4 loss teams, and likely a 5 loss team in the playoffs.

I just don't see a 32 team playoff working at all.

More meaningful than they are now. We are happy through the season and there's what 15 or 16 teams who have any realistic shot of making the playoff ?

People always say itd make the regular season meaningless but the reality is the regular season is neaningoess to 75% of the teams after week 3 the way it is now

 

[WizardHawk]

So OP liked my post in the 6 team playoff thread enough to poach it and make a new thread about it pitching it as his own.

Neat.

It solves a lot of problems.

If they broke off they could do whatever the hell they wanted to with a playoff. Do it more DII style if that's their choice. Make it 16 teams. Might have to if they hope to bring in enough money to trade off what they are giving up from the free cash giveaway from the CFP agreement.

It's all nice to think about, but very unlikely to happen. The G5's are not going to give up all that cash flowing in from the CFP pool.

How much money are we talking about?
Well based on last year the G5's collectively received $85.3 million. That included $4 million for participation in the CFP access bowls. Which, by the way, they have also done every year of the CFP. They have had one team make one of those bowls each season. That money is distributed by their own conference, not the rest of G5.

It still works out to over a million per team.

So, dropping the CFP and breaking away would require the new division to find a way to replace something upward near $90 in lost free revenue.

Again, this is why it won't happen even if it would be good for both the G5 schools and P5 in most ways outside of the free revenue stream.

 

[4down20]

In any given year there are maybe 8-10 teams out of 130 who start the season with a legitimate chance of playing a meaningful postseason game . By week 8 that number is about 6 teams and most years 4 or 5 of those 6 are the same teams they always are. You're a Bama fan do you don't care but it's boring . CFB has the most meaningful regular season of any sport but it's postseason is BY FAR the worst . And all that's ok. Iowa is occasionally in a position to play important games late in the season and those years are fun but it doesn't change how I look at cfb . It could be much better

If it's boring to you then it's because your team is boring.

And while Alabama's recent run has been fucking awesome beyond belief, I still managed to find college football fun in the years before then - usually bitching about things. Never gave a shit about other teams.

 

[rmilia1]

If it's boring to you then it's because your team is boring.

And while Alabama's recent run has been fucking awesome beyond belief, I still managed to find college football fun in the years before then - usually bitching about things. Never gave a shit about other teams.

Something can be fun but still meaningless . If the end goal is to win a title then a sport where 90%of the teams are eliminated 50%of the way through the season is boring . You can still enjoy the games , they just don't mean anything .

 

[Wild Turkey]

If I'm a Boise State, Cincinnati, or UCF type, I'm loading my non-conference any way possible. It's the only way to set yourself apart

Dude Boise just wants to bitch about requiring home and home they aren’t really interested in taking the team on the road and following the FSU formula.

 

[belcherboy]

More meaningful than they are now. We are happy through the season and there's what 15 or 16 teams who have any realistic shot of making the playoff ?

People always say itd make the regular season meaningless but the reality is the regular season is neaningoess to 75% of the teams after week 3 the way it is now

It's not meaningless when you can 1) make the playoff yourself, 2) win your conference, or 3) eliminate someone from playoff/conference championship contention.

The playoffs mean nothing to the conference championship, but now the games literally mean nothing. A team could go into the last few games and crap the bed and still be a playoff team in a 32 team field.

Nearly half the teams in a 32 team field would be chosen by the first weekend in November.

I would be VERY disappointed if the NCAA went to a 32 team playoff. I'd still watch it, but it would lose a LOT of what I love about it.

 

[WizardHawk]

Something can be fun but still meaningless . If the end goal is to win a title then a sport where 90%of the teams are eliminated 50%of the way through the season is boring . You can still enjoy the games , they just don't mean anything .

The first goal is to win your division.

The second goal is to win your conference.

Then after that, comes the national objectives.

And not every team unrealistically focuses on the championship all year. They all treat it game by game. They are about winning the next game in front of them. It is fans that obsess over longer projections and make it natty or bust.

I thought UW's chances of a playoff berth after losing their opening game to Auburn was something like maybe 10%, but mostly because I didn't think this team had a real chance of running the rest of the table.

So by your logic I should just fold up shop and walk away until next year now that those goals aren't on the table anymore? Maybe that's how you see things, but I sure don't.

UW still has the ability to go win their division and the Pac. And even if they didn't, there's still the drama of each game and so many areas of the team to follow like your player development.

Outside of my own team there are upsets every damned week. Games that should be snoozers end up being thrillers and marquee games turn to flops every week. I just jump around from game to game and stick to the ones that turn out interesting. And I'm seldom disappointed by the results.

 

[cwalke3408]

Something can be fun but still meaningless . If the end goal is to win a title then a sport where 90%of the teams are eliminated 50%of the way through the season is boring . You can still enjoy the games , they just don't mean anything .

12 weeks of meaningful football > 3-4 weeks of meaningful football.

 

[4down20]

Something can be fun but still meaningless . If the end goal is to win a title then a sport where 90%of the teams are eliminated 50%of the way through the season is boring . You can still enjoy the games , they just don't mean anything .

Ok, so cry more. Teams suck, everyone can't be a winner. Go eat some acid/shrooms if you need more meaning.

 

[Fitbud]

The top Group of 5 teams should get a legit chance to play in the playoff. UCF should have been there.

I know. That's why I created a thread advocating for a 6 team playoff which would include the top G5 team.

 

[romeo212000]

Dude Boise just wants to bitch about requiring home and home they aren’t really interested in taking the team on the road and following the FSU formula.

Exactly. They don’t get that there is absolutely no benefit to going on the road up in Boise. You have to be able to bring something to the table and they don’t.

 

[rmilia1]

It's not meaningless when you can 1) make the playoff yourself, 2) win your conference, or 3) eliminate someone from playoff/conference championship contention.

The playoffs mean nothing to the conference championship, but now the games literally mean nothing. A team could go into the last few games and crap the bed and still be a playoff team in a 32 team field.

Nearly half the teams in a 32 team field would be chosen by the first weekend in November.

I would be VERY disappointed if the NCAA went to a 32 team playoff. I'd still watch it, but it would lose a LOT of what I love about it.

All that would've true with more playoff teams as well except it'd be true for more teams

 

[rmilia1]

The first goal is to win your division.

The second goal is to win your conference.

Then after that, comes the national objectives.

And not every team unrealistically focuses on the championship all year. They all treat it game by game. They are about winning the next game in front of them. It is fans that obsess over longer projections and make it natty or bust.

I thought UW's chances of a playoff berth after losing their opening game to Auburn was something like maybe 10%, but mostly because I didn't think this team had a real chance of running the rest of the table.

So by your logic I should just fold up shop and walk away until next year now that those goals aren't on the table anymore? Maybe that's how you see things, but I sure don't.

UW still has the ability to go win their division and the Pac. And even if they didn't, there's still the drama of each game and so many areas of the team to follow like your player development.

Outside of my own team there are upsets every damned week. Games that should be snoozers end up being thrillers and marquee games turn to flops every week. I just jump around from game to game and stick to the ones that turn out interesting. And I'm seldom disappointed by the results.

Adding more playoff teams doesn't make any of the stuff you just wrote meaningless though . People want the atgijrny both ways.

They want to say "college football I'd great because every game matters so much" which is fine but they argument is no less true by adding playoff teams. If the goal is to win a Natty then adding teams adds meaning . If the goal is winning your division , winning your league , getting better then adding teams doesn't change any of that

 

[belcherboy]

All that would've true with more playoff teams as well except it'd be true for more teams

I'm not following you there. (I'm definitely slow sometimes )