Venom (2018)

[Gatorchip]

Tom Hardy can't save this movie.

 

[tabascojet]

topher dodged a bullet......

 

[UVA_Guy81]

So far, the critics aren't giving it great reviews: Venom

 

[Wild Turkey]

The interesting twist is there seems to be a group of Lady Gaga fans that are using social media to make false bad reviews of the film (honestly I don’t see how the film will be good but you know what I mean).

I don’t think we will ever know if this will truly affect Venom’s numbers or if it inflates “A Star is Born”.

From where I’m sitting both films are in the category of wait until they hit Netflix.

 

[Battlelyon]

I don’t think we will ever know if this will truly affect Venom’s numbers or if it inflates “A Star is Born”.

From where I’m sitting both films are in the category of wait until they hit Netflix.

You actually want to watch, A star is born.

I'll pray for you

 

[Ojb81]

So is Venom, like, a good guy, or a bad guy, or what? I don't get it.

 

[Wild Turkey]

You actually want to watch, A star is born.

I'll pray for you

Thank you.

 

[ill]

So is Venom, like, a good guy, or a bad guy, or what? I don't get it.

yes

 

[Ojb81]

yes

Which one? Good or bad? Please explain

 

[SDGuy73]

Sony's Venom took in $10 million from Thursday night previews, which began at 5PM in 3,543 locations. The performance is the largest October preview ever, topping Paranormal Activity 3's $8 million in previews

 

[ill]

Which one? Good or bad? Please explain

he's kind of an anti-hero...you cheer for him even though he is not really a great dude.

like Walter White

or Tony Soprano

 

[Ojb81]

he's kind of an anti-hero...you cheer for him even though he is not really a great dude.

like Walter White

or Tony Soprano

He looks gross. To hell with venom

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Weekend Box Office Results for October 5-7, 2018 - Box Office Mojo
Sony has to be ecstatic about that.

 

[TheRangerDude]

Can't be any worse than this

Plus it looks like they at least got the suit right.

 

[SDGuy73]

Production Budget: $100 million

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $80,030,000 39.0%
+ Foreign: $125,200,000 61.0%
= Worldwide: $205,230,000

 

[calsnowskier]

Production Budget: $100 million

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic: $80,030,000 39.0%
+ Foreign: $125,200,000 61.0%
= Worldwide: $205,230,000

In general, how much would a movie need to gross to break even? The gross numbers are the actual gate, before the theater takes their cut, before the govs take their cuts, etc. I think I read somewhere a while back that a movie has to gross approx twice the budget just to break even.

 

[BusSport]

In general, how much would a movie need to gross to break even? The gross numbers are the actual gate, before the theater takes their cut, before the govs take their cuts, etc. I think I read somewhere a while back that a movie has to gross approx twice the budget just to break even.

Yes, that's correct.

As you noted, there's a lot of factors that go into this. Marketing budget is approximately production budget, so box office receipts have to double production budget to match total budget. However, theaters then lop off 1/2 of receipts in the United States, 2/3 of that in most foreign countries, and 4/5 in China. And then there's taxation. However, films also make money for the studio outside the raw box office from rentals, streaming, TV airing, and licensing/merchandising. And things get even more complicated for movies like this one that are part of a potential franchise, because the studio has to consider the movie not in a vacuum, but in its impact on the rest of the franchise.

The end result, though, is that a lot of those additional costs and additional gains cancel out with each other, giving the general rule of thumb that:

A movie becomes profitable when worldwide BO hits double production budget.

 

[BusSport]

I personally hate what's happening because I hate the idea of a separate Sony Spider-Man universe, but, to be fair, by any measure, Venom is a HUGE success for Sony.

Sony learned from their mistake with the Amazing Spider-Man films (production budget $200-230 million for ASM and $250 million for ASM2) and kept the production budget for Venom down to the $100-115 million range.

Then Venom has the biggest BY FAR opening of October (Venom's $80 million domestic dwarfs Gravity's $56 million).

It's such a good opening that it actually OUTPERFORMED the MCU's Ant-Man and the Wasp ($76 million) earlier this same year!

The Friday-Saturday drop was a minor -19%, which indicates that the movie has good legs and is not headed for a large drop in coming weeks.

Sony indeed is over the moon happy with this.

 

[calsnowskier]

I personally hate what's happening because I hate the idea of a separate Sony Spider-Man universe, but, to be fair, by any measure, Venom is a HUGE success for Sony.

There was lots of talk during production, but I haven’t heard anything recently (nor have I seen the movie yet)...

Where exactly does this sit in universes?

It is in the same universe as Spider-Man Homecoming, but is not MCU, correct?

 

[BusSport]

There was lots of talk during production, but I haven’t heard anything recently (nor have I seen the movie yet)...

Where exactly does this sit in universes?

It is in the same universe as Spider-Man Homecoming, but is not MCU, correct?

The canonicity is ambiguous and, for now, up to fan interpretation. Producers have given multiple contradictory or ambivalent statements, because Disney/Marvel and Sony want different things.

As far as Disney/Marvel is concerned, it's a entirely separate continuity. But Sony wants fans to consider it as in the same continuity as Homecoming, but since Homecoming is clearly part of the MCU, that would imply Venom is part of the MCU.

So it's basically up to each fan's interpretation.