What a Crock of Sh*t

[Montalban]

BOOM

You just confirmed what I said.

Had a feeling you read it. Just confirmed.

 

[handicappers]

Confirmed and
Documented

#BooM

 

[JohnU]

Whole blocks of Polish people Chicago never learned English. To assert they have assimilated is over-generalizing.

But I think one can be prejudiced against a culture without being a racist. You can also be biased against squealing 20-year-old women in a shopping mall without being a bigot.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I don't think that's right. The Irish, French, Germans, Polish and others tried to blend right in. Being an American was a source of pride for them and they worked hard to blend in and learn the customs and the language of their new home. They did not expect the country to conform to them, they conformed to the country. At least that's how it seems to me.
My mother in law, for instance, is from Okinawa and she has been in the United States since 1972 yet she can barely speak English. Being in an Asian family myself and having traveled and lived extensively in several Asian countries I feel like I'm qualified to speak on the subject; maybe you disagree.

That's why there are/were largely predominantly Irish, Polish, German neighborhoods when many of these people first came to America, right? Is that assimilating in your eyes?

And it's probable your mother-in-law plays the 'no English' card around you so she doesnt have to talk to your grumpy old ass.

 

[ill]

I have an issue with some Asian groups' unwillingness to assimilate into the American culture and just stay in their community and never learn English. They are part of the reason that the drivers test in Los Angeles has to produced in over 30 languages.
But for the most part I find them intelligent, educated, family oriented and respectful to their elders.

here's a little history for you buddy.
How Racism Created America's Chinatowns | HuffPost

Housing and labor discrimination kept Chinese immigrants from being able to live and work outside of Chinatown.

During the exclusion era, it was difficult for Chinese immigrants to find a place to live outside of Chinatown. “In the broadest strokes, Chinatowns were products of extreme forms of racial segregation,” explains Ellen D. Wu, a history professor at Indiana University Bloomington and author of The Color Of Success: Asian Americans And The Origins Of The Model Minority. “Beginning in the late 19th century and really through the 1940s and ‘50s, there was what we can call a regime of Asian exclusion: a web of laws and social practices and ideas designed to shut out Asians completely from American life.”

“That’s really how Chinatowns came into being,” Wu adds, “not how we think about them now, as a fun place to get a meal or buy some tchotchkes, but as a way to contain a very threatening population in American life.”

Several Western states passed laws that prohibited Chinese immigrants from owning property. In Manhattan’s Chinatown, Chen says, some Italian immigrants sold buildings to the Chinese, but it was difficult to find white landlords who would sell to them on other parts of the island.

Chinese immigrants also were barred from most industries, aside from the hand-laundry and restaurant businesses. “It strengthened Chinatown that whites basically refused to work with the Chinese,” says Peter Kwong, a professor of Urban Affairs and Planning at Hunter College in New York. “Chinese immigrants had to find work through self-employment.”

 

[Montalban]

That's why there are/were largely predominantly Irish, Polish, German neighborhoods when many of these people first came to America, right? Is that assimilating in your eyes?

And it's probable your mother-in-law plays the 'no English' card around you so she doesnt have to talk to your grumpy old ass.

Correct and that has now changed as they had time to assimilate. There is the difference. But Pretty funny with the MIL comment. I give you credit for that.

 

[Montalban]

here's a little history for you buddy.
How Racism Created America's Chinatowns | HuffPost

Housing and labor discrimination kept Chinese immigrants from being able to live and work outside of Chinatown.

During the exclusion era, it was difficult for Chinese immigrants to find a place to live outside of Chinatown. “In the broadest strokes, Chinatowns were products of extreme forms of racial segregation,” explains Ellen D. Wu, a history professor at Indiana University Bloomington and author of The Color Of Success: Asian Americans And The Origins Of The Model Minority. “Beginning in the late 19th century and really through the 1940s and ‘50s, there was what we can call a regime of Asian exclusion: a web of laws and social practices and ideas designed to shut out Asians completely from American life.”

“That’s really how Chinatowns came into being,” Wu adds, “not how we think about them now, as a fun place to get a meal or buy some tchotchkes, but as a way to contain a very threatening population in American life.”

Several Western states passed laws that prohibited Chinese immigrants from owning property. In Manhattan’s Chinatown, Chen says, some Italian immigrants sold buildings to the Chinese, but it was difficult to find white landlords who would sell to them on other parts of the island.

Chinese immigrants also were barred from most industries, aside from the hand-laundry and restaurant businesses. “It strengthened Chinatown that whites basically refused to work with the Chinese,” says Peter Kwong, a professor of Urban Affairs and Planning at Hunter College in New York. “Chinese immigrants had to find work through self-employment.”

Cool. I didn't know we were buddies.. But sorry, your attempt at excusing their lack of assimilation has nothing to do with laws in effect 150 years ago.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Correct and that has now changed as they had time to assimilate. There is the difference. But Pretty funny with the MIL comment. I give you credit for that.

But the original immigrant population of those groups often don't assimilate to a large degree....it's the subsequent generations that assimilate, and the same goes for Asians etc.

I mean, an 80 year old Polish woman who came to the U.S. 20-30 years ago likely ago shopping at the GAP nor listening to Skynyrd.

 

[Montalban]

But the original immigrant population of those groups often don't assimilate to a large degree....it's the subsequent generations that assimilate, and the same goes for Asians etc.

I mean, an 80 year old Polish woman who came to the U.S. 20-30 years ago likely ago shopping at the GAP nor listening to Skynyrd.[/QUOTE]
Fair assessment. To a degree I believe you are correct. That Polish lady missed out then.

 

[ill]

Cool. I didn't know we were buddies.. But sorry, your attempt at excusing their lack of assimilation has nothing to do with laws in effect 150 years ago.

it does. we segregated them and excluded them and that is what has set them to how they are today. Our previous racism towards them is what created Chinatown and shit like that.

 

[Montalban]

it does. we segregated them and excluded them and that is what has set them to how they are today. Our previous racism towards them is what created Chinatown and shit like that.

They've had 150 years to get over it. Time to move on.

 

[ill]

They've had 150 years to get over it. Time to move on.

lol

ok

you act like racism doesn't exist anymore

 

[Montalban]

lol

ok

you act like racism doesn't exist anymore

It really doesn't. The law is very strict about that.

 

[ill]

It really doesn't. The law is very strict about that.

hahahahahahahaha

 

[Inquisitor95]

It really doesn't. The law is very strict about that.

And you're a straight-and-narrow law-abiding citizen.

Just like everybody else.

 

[Montalban]

And you're a straight-and-narrow law-abiding citizen.

Just like everybody else.

Pretty much. Institutionalized racism, the only kind that can hurt a body of people, is gone. You will never change some people's minds but that doesn't matter.

 

[Cyder]

Lotsa slant-eyes like the Giants...this could cost them munnies if they don't act swiftly

In That case you say you were imitating Scooby Doo. Works everytime.

 

[Cyder]

here's a little history for you buddy.
How Racism Created America's Chinatowns | HuffPost

Housing and labor discrimination kept Chinese immigrants from being able to live and work outside of Chinatown.

During the exclusion era, it was difficult for Chinese immigrants to find a place to live outside of Chinatown. “In the broadest strokes, Chinatowns were products of extreme forms of racial segregation,” explains Ellen D. Wu, a history professor at Indiana University Bloomington and author of The Color Of Success: Asian Americans And The Origins Of The Model Minority. “Beginning in the late 19th century and really through the 1940s and ‘50s, there was what we can call a regime of Asian exclusion: a web of laws and social practices and ideas designed to shut out Asians completely from American life.”

“That’s really how Chinatowns came into being,” Wu adds, “not how we think about them now, as a fun place to get a meal or buy some tchotchkes, but as a way to contain a very threatening population in American life.”

Several Western states passed laws that prohibited Chinese immigrants from owning property. In Manhattan’s Chinatown, Chen says, some Italian immigrants sold buildings to the Chinese, but it was difficult to find white landlords who would sell to them on other parts of the island.

Chinese immigrants also were barred from most industries, aside from the hand-laundry and restaurant businesses. “It strengthened Chinatown that whites basically refused to work with the Chinese,” says Peter Kwong, a professor of Urban Affairs and Planning at Hunter College in New York. “Chinese immigrants had to find work through self-employment.”

Very few realize just how Asians were treated in this country. Oppressing the Asians was one of the first things whites and blacks got together to do. Immigration from Asia was also halted after most of the major work was done on the railroads.

 

[JohnU]

Pretty much. Institutionalized racism, the only kind that can hurt a body of people, is gone. You will never change some people's minds but that doesn't matter.

Well, the clever way the right-wing gov't gets around it now is to generally conclude that "Mexicans" and "Muslims" are not a race, so they can pass prejudicial laws with impunity.

 

[Chewbaccer]

This whole thread is a shitshow that belongs in the PFs.