Reuter mock 3.0

[Ruzious]

As of right now Fitzpatrick has to be higher on the draft board than Vea and Payne. If Barkley falls to #5 what do you offer the Broncos? I think a swap, our 2nd and Cravens does it. If Denver says no. Throw in a 2019 3rd rounder. We will be getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2019 for Cousins so that pick wont hurt us. Thoughts?

C'mon, even if the trade makes sense (and I don't think the Skins have the kind of depth for it to make sense), you know that logic doesn't make sense. It made more sense (but still really didn't make sense) when people said we weren't losing anything when we traded this year's 3rd, because we'd get a 3rd for losing Cousins. I'd rather see if Guise is still there for our 2nd round pick - or trade up a few picks in the 2nd round to get him.

 

[gkekoa]

As of right now Fitzpatrick has to be higher on the draft board than Vea and Payne. If Barkley falls to #5 what do you offer the Broncos? I think a swap, our 2nd and Cravens does it. If Denver says no. Throw in a 2019 3rd rounder. We will be getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2019 for Cousins so that pick wont hurt us. Thoughts?

This kind of thinking keeps people poor.

We would normally have a third round pick of our own in 2019. It is ours by right. It is completely independent of our compensatory pick for KC.

The compensatory pick is ours by right. It is completely independent of our natural third round pick.


It is the equivalent of Working OT and wasting but not caring about that money because you have your normal check as you live paycheck to paycheck.

 

[deanpet21]

C'mon, even if the trade makes sense (and I don't think the Skins have the kind of depth for it to make sense), you know that logic doesn't make sense. It made more sense (but still really didn't make sense) when people said we weren't losing anything when we traded this year's 3rd, because we'd get a 3rd for losing Cousins. I'd rather see if Guise is still there for our 2nd round pick - or trade up a few picks in the 2nd round to get him.

So you are going to let a 2019 3rd round pick stop you from getting Barkley?

 

[Niner Outlaw]

So, if he is there, do we pass on possibly adding to our front 7? I think not...Nicholson's upside seems pretty good at the moment and we cannot cut DJ can we? I think our need (s) at pick 13 out weigh the player. Anotherwards, I see 3 possible scenarios:
1. Barkley falls to pick #5 and BA calls the Broncos to inquire.
2. We draft Payne or Vea with the pick.
3. We draft the VT LB because he is still there.

I'm hoping we sign Hankins and add to our DL with Payne also.

I gotta admit Barkley would be a nice pickup, but that defense needs SO much help and the draft is loaded at RB, so I go defense.

If I'm the Skins and Fitzpatrick falls into my lap (very unlikely imo), I take him and play him at safety and don't look back. I take my chances drafting a NT later in the draft or even preemptively sign a mid/lower tier guy like Hankins or Logan.

Skins should be looking RB in rd 2 but no later than rd 3 b/c they'll be flying off the board.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

So you are going to let a 2019 3rd round pick stop you from getting Barkley?

Several things here:

1. You are suggesting swapping picks, a player & 2 higher draft picks in return - kind of steep for a team that needs all the talent they can get

2. You must have a short memory - these type of "Mortgage the Future" trades typically don't end well for the Redskins.

3. Barkley may be great, but he is still a RB & they tend to be vulnerable to injuries & have limited careers (thus the reason why they are not generally drafted higher).

4. As mentioned numerous times - there are tons of RBs in this draft. Not as good as Barkley but still likely able to contribute quite a bit & they can be found in rds 2 or 3 or maybe even lower.

You need to resist the Snyderesque type of approach of going for the home run pick.

 

[Ruzious]

So you are going to let a 2019 3rd round pick stop you from getting Barkley?

You're question makes this question look smart: Why do you hate this year's 2nd round pick?

 

[deanpet21]

Several things here:

1. You are suggesting swapping picks, a player & 2 higher draft picks in return - kind of steep for a team that needs all the talent they can get

2. You must have a short memory - these type of "Mortgage the Future" trades typically don't end well for the Redskins.

3. Barkley may be great, but he is still a RB & they tend to be vulnerable to injuries & have limited careers (thus the reason why they are not generally drafted higher).

4. As mentioned numerous times - there are tons of RBs in this draft. Not as good as Barkley but still likely able to contribute quite a bit & they can be found in rds 2 or 3 or maybe even lower.

You need to resist the Snyderesque type of approach of going for the home run pick.

So a 2nd and 3rd round pick in different years is mortgaging the future? Just b/c you have picks doenst mean that you will hit on them. If Barkley falls to 5 they have to be thinking this.

 

[deanpet21]

You're question makes this question look smart: Why do you hate this year's 2nd round pick?

don't hate it but if you have an opportunity to get Barkley we should explore it.

 

[chillerdab]

If anything, the redskins should be thinking about trading down, not up.

Caveat: I don't know anything about college football. I don't follow college football.

Considering the amount of holes on the redskins, I don't think they're in any position whatsoever to give up any more draft capital to sign one guy.

I'm not saying that everybody that signed elsewhere was absolutely worth their contracts, but just factually speaking, the redskins lost a lot of solid players already:

Grant
Breeland
Murphy
Long
Cousins
Compton
Fuller


They've replaced Cousins with Smith, Grant with Richardson. That's it.

Even if none of the above starters were that great, it's STILL 5 starters / quality backups that haven't been replaced.

 

[skinz2winz]

As of right now Fitzpatrick has to be higher on the draft board than Vea and Payne. If Barkley falls to #5 what do you offer the Broncos? I think a swap, our 2nd and Cravens does it. If Denver says no. Throw in a 2019 3rd rounder. We will be getting a 3rd round comp pick in 2019 for Cousins so that pick wont hurt us. Thoughts?

If Barkley is there at 5 and If Denver is a willing participant, I start at swapping picks, Cravens and next years first rounder. That is where you start for the best player in this years draft. He could change everything for our offense if added. You don't low ball the offer if you really want Barkley. You wow the Broncos to get the player you really want. If this strategy was real, we would have already signed Hankins as a fall back plan. If the plan succeeds to trade for Barkley, your 2nd rounder should be traded for additional picks because this scenario gives you Hankins and Barkley so hopefully you can add a 3rd or 4th rounder to the stable of picks.

 

[deanpet21]

If anything, the redskins should be thinking about trading down, not up.

Caveat: I don't know anything about college football. I don't follow college football.

Considering the amount of holes on the redskins, I don't think they're in any position whatsoever to give up any more draft capital to sign one guy.

I'm not saying that everybody that signed elsewhere was absolutely worth their contracts, but just factually speaking, the redskins lost a lot of solid players already:

Grant
Breeland
Murphy
Long
Cousins
Compton
Fuller


They've replaced Cousins with Smith, Grant with Richardson. That's it.

Even if none of the above starters were that great, it's STILL 5 starters / quality backups that haven't been replaced.

Breeland and Fuller got replaced with Moreau and Scandrick

Murphy got replaced with Anderson and the new 4th OLb

Long got replaced with Roullier

Compton, who cares?

Some replacements were already on our team.

 

[skinz2winz]

If anything, the redskins should be thinking about trading down, not up.

Caveat: I don't know anything about college football. I don't follow college football.

Considering the amount of holes on the redskins, I don't think they're in any position whatsoever to give up any more draft capital to sign one guy.

I'm not saying that everybody that signed elsewhere was absolutely worth their contracts, but just factually speaking, the redskins lost a lot of solid players already:

Grant
Breeland
Murphy
Long
Cousins
Compton
Fuller


They've replaced Cousins with Smith, Grant with Richardson. That's it.

Even if none of the above starters were that great, it's STILL 5 starters / quality backups that haven't been
replaced.

Barkley is a transcendent player and the only player you should be willing to trade up for. You make a good point though about how poorly the Skins have used FA to fill some important roles or players recently lost. We have basically signed in FA WR Richardson and CB Scandrick. Pretty poor progress if you ask me.

 

[deanpet21]

If Barkley is there at 5 and If Denver is a willing participant, I start at swapping picks, Cravens and next years first rounder. That is where you start for the best player in this years draft. He could change everything for our offense if added. You don't low ball the offer if you really want Barkley. You wow the Broncos to get the player you really want. If this strategy was real, we would have already signed Hankins as a fall back plan. If the plan succeeds to trade for Barkley, your 2nd rounder should be traded for additional picks because this scenario gives you Hankins and Barkley so hopefully you can add a 3rd or 4th rounder to the stable of picks.

wow. adding the first rounder in 2019 is over the top but would get the deal done. Elway should jump at this deal. So is Barkley worth a first round pick? Interesting. That first round pick in 2019 should be in the 20s.

 

[chillerdab]

Deanpet, the redskins haven't found a "new 4th OLB" yet, and if they trade draft picks to draft one guy, they'll have a harder time finding one.

Murphy had 9 sacks two years ago, which is why he got a pretty significant deal from the Bills. Anderson doesn't have nine sacks in his career yet. He COULD replace Murphy, but he hasn't yet.

Chase R. was ok, but Long played multiple positions along the Oline, and I don't know if Chase did.

Compton was the starting MLB two years ago, and was the starting MLB last year when Foster went down.

Again, if a team has 53 players on it, and 7 are signed elsewhere, and all of those seven were starters at one point or another, then that team STILL has to find players to fill their shoes.

If the same team just promotes backups, then that team needs to find replacements for the backups.

If that team then spends some of their draft capital to chase one player, knowing there are holes in their roster, then they are being shortsighted.

Is this REALLY so hard for you to understand?

 

[deanpet21]

Deanpet, the redskins haven't found a "new 4th OLB" yet, and if they trade draft picks to draft one guy, they'll have a harder time finding one.

Murphy had 9 sacks two years ago, which is why he got a pretty significant deal from the Bills. Anderson doesn't have nine sacks in his career yet. He COULD replace Murphy, but he hasn't yet.

Chase R. was ok, but Long played multiple positions along the Oline, and I don't know if Chase did.

Compton was the starting MLB two years ago, and was the starting MLB last year when Foster went down.

Again, if a team has 53 players on it, and 7 are signed elsewhere, and all of those seven were starters at one point or another, then that team STILL has to find players to fill their shoes.

If the same team just promotes backups, then that team needs to find replacements for the backups.

If that team then spends some of their draft capital to chase one player, knowing there are holes in their roster, then they are being shortsighted.

Is this REALLY so hard for you to understand?

If you are worrying about a 4th OLb or 3rdILB then I don know hat to tell you. The Anderson draft pick was b/c TM was leaving. Please realize that. Always can find backups. The draft and FA isn't over yet.

 

[chillerdab]

Is Barkley REALLY going to be a transcendent player? He's a rb from Penn State, right?

Not too many rb's from Penn State have been any good in the pros....


Franco Harris, Larry Johnson being the exceptions

Ki-Jana Carter, Richie Anderson being mediocre

 

[skinz2winz]

wow. adding the first rounder in 2019 is over the top but would get the deal done. Elway should jump at this deal. So is Barkley worth a first round pick? Interesting. That first round pick in 2019 should be in the 20s.

Over the top? It is what it will take to land #5 [Barkley] from Denver. Draft capital is King which is why the 1st rounder next year will be necessary to move up. I don't think you get an argument from many that Barkley has the skill set to go #1 in this draft and it has already been noted he IS the BEST player in this years draft. The teams moving up or at the top NEED QB's which is why Barkley will fall from #1. If we can add to our defense with another starter or 2 in FA (June cuts) and trade our 2nd rounder for additional pick (s), next years first rounder should be below #15. All this hypothetical of course.

 

[skinz2winz]

Is Barkley REALLY going to be a transcendent player? He's a rb from Penn State, right?

Not too many rb's from Penn State have been any good in the pros....


Franco Harris, Larry Johnson being the exceptions

Ki-Jana Carter, Richie Anderson being mediocre

If you are asking then I can't help you with this one.

 

[skinz2winz]

If you are asking then I can't help you with this one.

Let's see what Ritz has to say about Barkley....

 

[Sharkinva]

This kind of thinking keeps people poor.

We would normally have a third round pick of our own in 2019. It is ours by right. It is completely independent of our compensatory pick for KC.

The compensatory pick is ours by right. It is completely independent of our natural third round pick.


It is the equivalent of Working OT and wasting but not caring about that money because you have your normal check as you live paycheck to paycheck.

But yu got those new RIMS to put on the car you are still financing.