PAC 12 Thread v6.0

[TheDayMan]

And what's the deal with tweets not loading? Anyone else having that issue?

 

[trojanfan12]

Clancy needs to realize he's not coaching an NFL defense. These kids will get tired and nicked up more than a professional and not giving the backup meaningful snaps makes him ill prepared when he is forced to come in. Yes he's got 4 and 5 star guys in many positions but playing them every snap makes them less effective at the end of games where it's really hot or you're playing a physical team. I'd rather have a fresh 3* kid in there learning and spelling the starter once in a while and if an injury happens that backup is ready.

Agree 100%. I'd add that sometimes, that backup is a 4 or 5 star guy as well. But he's not going to perform like one if he's given no reps and then suddenly thrown into the deep end of the pool because the guy ahead of him got hurt.

One thing I havent seen much this season that would have helped Darnold is the check down to the back when he's gone through his first two progressions and they aren't open. The last two games I attended I took a friend of mine who was a HS QB at the time Todd Marinovich and Rob Johnson were seniors. My friend won ALL city honors over them . Too bad he's only 5'10. lol. But he mentioned that Darnold rarely dumps it to the back when every ones covered. He either tries a tough throw or he runs. He said you might only get three yards but it makes the third down more manageable and could have extended drives.

This is why I think Darnold would be best served to come back for 1 more year. Staying in the pocket and working through his progressions is usually the last thing a young qb masters and that looks to be the same with Darnold.

That, imo, was the glaring difference between him and Rosen in this years game. Rosen is polished and patient enough to work through his progressions, Darnold is not.

 

[TheDayMan]

Agree 100%. I'd add that sometimes, that backup is a 4 or 5 star guy as well. But he's not going to perform like one if he's given no reps and then suddenly thrown into the deep end of the pool because the guy ahead of him got hurt.



This is why I think Darnold would be best served to come back for 1 more year. Staying in the pocket and working through his progressions is usually the last thing a young qb masters and that looks to be the same with Darnold.

That, imo, was the glaring difference between him and Rosen in this years game. Rosen is polished and patient enough to work through his progressions, Darnold is not.

Darnold also isn't a puss. I'd take the guy who still needs work over the guy who's out every other week with a broken eyelash any day.

 

[Olyduck]

And what's the deal with tweets not loading? Anyone else having that issue?

ive always had that issue at work

 

[Olyduck]

my work computer also kicks logs me off randomly. I can be on for an hour or logged in for 5 min. post a comment and go to switch threads and it will kick me off.

 

[trojanfan12]

Darnold also isn't a puss. I'd take the guy who still needs work over the guy who's out every other week with a broken eyelash any day.

lol

Me too. But purely from an "NFL ready" perspective, Rosen is there, Darnold isn't. I hate to admit that any Bruin is better than any Trojan, but I can't deny what I saw.

I will say that when all is said and done, if Darnold masters going through his progressions in the pocket, he will ultimately be the better player in the NFL because of his athleticism and intangibles. But right now, Rosen is better.

 

[WizardHawk]

Wait... what happened to Baldwin?

I think AG slipped him some cash and a few mail order brides to go away so Smith would take the job.

 

[wazzu31]

Falk wasn't your problem. Not at all. We watched entirely different games if you think a change at QB alone makes ANY difference at all in the outcome of that game.

It's not hard champ. When you rush 3 and STILL get sacks/hurries/knockdowns you win. UW had 8 in coverage against 5 receivers/backs/TE's. THAT'S why you couldn't move the ball.

Vita Vea was your problem. He broke double and triple blocks and still got to Falk. No QB can beat that.

Vea nor was anyone on your defense an issue, our issue was Falk only looking at one receiver and not moving in the pocket. Nearly all of UW's were Falk going into a defender instead of sliding in the pocket.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Falk wasn't your problem. Not at all. We watched entirely different games if you think a change at QB alone makes ANY difference at all in the outcome of that game.

It's not hard champ. When you rush 3 and STILL get sacks/hurries/knockdowns you win. UW had 8 in coverage against 5 receivers/backs/TE's. THAT'S why you couldn't move the ball.

Vita Vea was your problem. He broke double and triple blocks and still got to Falk. No QB can beat that.

You left out how he was shoving the center straight back into Falk's lap!

 

[WizardHawk]

You left out how he was shoving the center straight back into Falk's lap!

Wazzy is obsessed with blaming Falk. You drop back 8 to cover 5 and still reach the QB you've got a lot of blame to spread around.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I think AG slipped him some cash and a few mail order brides to go away so Smith would take the job.

hey…"YOU SHUT YER MOUF WHORE!"



oregon boyz….(Smith, Erickson and Riley) are all gettin back together soon…you and AG (i.e. UWUB) are gonna get some real western justice soon. Those city slickers down here that just left town are gone now.

 

[RegentDenali]

A&M has offered Fisher an insane 10 year pay deal.
Guess who FSU is going to offer a kings ransom to bail in the heat of the night like vase chucking bi-polar ex-gf, if that stupidity continues...

A hint at the 1st year P5 HC involved and the popcorn factor. A 2nd hint. He could or could not of been coaching some midmajor team from the state of Florida last year. 3rd hint. Not Kiffen. 4th hint. Not Chip Thug U. Kelly.

 

[WABLTY]

They're reported to be long time friends so I think baring some dream candidate agreeing to this behind the scenes the past couple weeks, Herm was going to get this job no matter what. Sumlin was probably a better overall choice, but I think he wasn't all that interested in the job. The speed in which he puts a staff together will say alot. He probably already had his ducks in the row with certain positions ready to go. He will need some recruiting studs.

For ASU to really succeed, you got to recruit:

Keep the best talent from instate. Put the wall up.
Hit California hard.
Augment the classes with talent from states like Texas, Hawaii, and find some hidden gems in tSEC country.

From what I've read, Graham had a bad rep with many local Arizona H.S. coaches. Flat out ignored certain good programs as well like Saguaro H.S. who produced Trent Murphy and many believed it would of been ASU to beat for his commit. They're one of the top talent pools in the state, but Graham completely ignores the coach and the program, and so there you go, he commits to Washington. As an AD, you've got to feel those kind of massive wiffs at the real difference makers that could end up on your program.

That and besides some early success, the program has been mediocre under him the past couple years. Absolutely mediocre. I don't blame the AD. ASU should aim higher than 7-5 records with a well established coach.

Will Herm do a better job? Time will tell. But I think it was time to mix things up a bit and make some bold moves to improve recruiting and the product. Graham had worn out his welcome.

I think the bad rep with the coaches came over time more than it was an immediate thing. Some of that is more hindsight. Graham just signed the guys from Saguaro last year. If anything, I think there was a sort of grudge that some of the local coaches had where they'd try to steer players with significant options away from the program and then get butt hurt when ASU wouldn't take one of the marginal ones.

I don't mind the firing of Graham though. The program had lost all of its momentum and that's just about impossible to get going again without a major change. I just wonder about the replacement. He seems like a poor fit to me, unless there's something everyone is missing. The one thought that sticks out to me is that Anderson and ASU may be really, really high on Billy Napier and want to keep him around as a heir apparent. If Herm is signed on to more or less run the show for a few years while Napier is groomed to take over, then it makes a bit of sense.

I still think it would have been better to just bring Norvell back unless there was concern about the familiarity between him and Graham, or Norvell was just too loyal to take the job. It's pretty hard to argue with the success he's had.

 

[RegentDenali]

Well there it is.

Tenn is offering Leach an over the top deal after their week of trainwrecking.

PAC after Dark continues into Dec. Keep the and and and ready.

In all seriousness, Leach is better off at WSU given his...well...Leach factor. And thats cool cause hes perfect for WSU. But with the AD bolting to Neb., it could be a hot mess behind the scenes in Pullman.

Damn is it choas in the PACN right now.

 

[AlaskaGuy]

 

[AlaskaGuy]

Jonathan Smith introduced at Oregon State, continuing Chris Petersen’s growing coaching tree

 

[Vitamike]

lol

Me too. But purely from an "NFL ready" perspective, Rosen is there, Darnold isn't. I hate to admit that any Bruin is better than any Trojan, but I can't deny what I saw.

I will say that when all is said and done, if Darnold masters going through his progressions in the pocket, he will ultimately be the better player in the NFL because of his athleticism and intangibles. But right now, Rosen is better.

This is a good thing for USC though... I would love to see Rosen under Kelly, he would still be a pocket passer and not contribute much more to the running game, but Kelly's system will surely provide a better running game than Mora I would expect.

I wonder just how much this comes into play in Rosen's mind in staying or not? Either way, it likely wont come into play and Rosen declares for the Draft, but them passing numbers could be video game like! ​

Modster will do well under Chip, but he still isn't the type of QB we will likely see compared to the Kelly QB recruits ultimately to follow, but I do think that Modster is closer to Chips type of QB and we will see him contribute to the run more than Rosen would have.

The only question I have regarding Modster, will Chip bring in a System QB before Modster is done at UCLA or will we see Modster running the show in Westwood for the next two, or three seasons?

 

[wazzu31]

Wazzy is obsessed with blaming Falk. You drop back 8 to cover 5 and still reach the QB you've got a lot of blame to spread around.

Yes, you had 8 in coverage and instead of throwing to wide open Calvin all day he decides to stare down Martin Jr. and Johnson-Mack who had 5 guys on him.

And will Tennessee hurry up with this thing so we can either start searching or promote Grinch.

 

[trojanfan12]

This is a good thing for USC though... I would love to see Rosen under Kelly, he would still be a pocket passer and not contribute much more to the running game, but Kelly's system will surely provide a better running game than Mora I would expect.

I wonder just how much this comes into play in Rosen's mind in staying or not? Either way, it likely wont come into play and Rosen declares for the Draft, but them passing numbers could be video game like! ​

Modster will do well under Chip, but he still isn't the type of QB we will likely see compared to the Kelly QB recruits ultimately to follow, but I do think that Modster is closer to Chips type of QB and we will see him contribute to the run more than Rosen would have.

The only question I have regarding Modster, will Chip bring in a System QB before Modster is done at UCLA or will we see Modster running the show in Westwood for the next two, or three seasons?

Yeah, Rosen in Chip's system would be interesting. The scary thing is, with a good running game to keep the defense honest, he could put up the same, or better numbers on fewer attempts.

As much fun as that would be for the him and for the Bruins, I think it would be a mistake for him to come back. I think Rosen coming back would lead to a lot more questions and having everything picked apart by NFL teams. There are obvious reasons for Darnold to come back that just don't exist with Rosen.

Having said that, from what I've read about Rosen, he doesn't seem to really give a shit what people think and will ultimately do what he wants regardless of what scouts or anyone else says. So, if playing in a Chip Kelly offense intrigues him, he may very well come back.

I think you Bruins should be really happy with your hire. I don't think Kelly gets them to where he had Oregon, but I think he will definitely make them better and probably return them to Donahue levels.

 

[socaljim242]

This is a good thing for USC though... I would love to see Rosen under Kelly, he would still be a pocket passer and not contribute much more to the running game, but Kelly's system will surely provide a better running game than Mora I would expect.

I wonder just how much this comes into play in Rosen's mind in staying or not? Either way, it likely wont come into play and Rosen declares for the Draft, but them passing numbers could be video game like! ​

Modster will do well under Chip, but he still isn't the type of QB we will likely see compared to the Kelly QB recruits ultimately to follow, but I do think that Modster is closer to Chips type of QB and we will see him contribute to the run more than Rosen would have.

The only question I have regarding Modster, will Chip bring in a System QB before Modster is done at UCLA or will we see Modster running the show in Westwood for the next two, or three seasons?

I wonder what Chips offense will look like now. Everyones seen the previous version I'm guessing he's going to have to add new wrinkles because just going fast isn't going to scare most DCs.
Rosen should go. Chips going to need a little time to get it rolling and Rosen doesn't need to learn a new system in his final year that doesn't translate to the NFL.