49ers just traded for Jimmy G.

[Sleepy T]

@Sharkinva Cmon Shark. You know damn well SF isn't going to cut bait after 8 games for an up and coming QB with high upside that the great Kyle Shanahan can groom into the next Pro Bowler. Not after giving up a 2nd. I guess it is always possible, but only way I see that happening is if he completely bombs, which i doubt. I think SF made a good move and secured themselves a somewhat experienced QB for the future. They might actually win sooner than later.

 

[Sharkinva]

@Sharkinva Cmon Shark. You know damn well SF isn't going to cut bait after 8 games for an up and coming QB with high upside that the great Kyle Shanahan can groom into the next Pro Bowler. Not after giving up a 2nd. I guess it is always possible, but only way I see that happening is if he completely bombs, which i doubt. I think SF made a good move and secured themselves a somewhat experienced QB for the future. They might actually win sooner than later.

Sparks... who thought the Texans would cut bait and GIVE AWAY a draft pick after one year with Oswieler??

I agree SF made a good smart move. Because it doesnt paint them into a corner. They get to try out Grap for eight ganes, if he works out they have his rights and can negotiate with him well before free agency starts, and they dont need to bid against other teams in the process.

If he doesnt work out for any reason, they can still delve into the draft, or go after Cousins should he become available. Yes it cost them a 2nd rounder, but in the end it still leaves their options open.

 

[skinsdad62]

Fuel to thought

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sparks... who thought the Texans would cut bait and GIVE AWAY a draft pick after one year with Oswieler??

I agree SF made a good smart move. Because it doesnt paint them into a corner. They get to try out Grap for eight ganes, if he works out they have his rights and can negotiate with him well before free agency starts, and they dont need to bid against other teams in the process.

If he doesnt work out for any reason, they can still delve into the draft, or go after Cousins should he become available. Yes it cost them a 2nd rounder, but in the end it still leaves their options open.

Cmon. You almost sound like you are trying to convince yourself that Cousins will not be in DC no matter what next season. The reality is that nobody knows, but the signs are more positive than negative at this time. This whole idea that Cousins hates Snyder/Allen just appears laughable to me. I don't think that I would despise anyone who already threw almost $50M my way & gave me the chance to make even more. I think that the media way overhypes this whole situation as click bait. As someone else mentioned - you also can't discount the whole Gruden/Cousins relationship especially since it now appears that Shanahan is out of the picture.

Give this some time - it may work out to the Redskins advantage.

 

[deanpet21]

Cmon. You almost sound like you are trying to convince yourself that Cousins will not be in DC no matter what next season. The reality is that nobody knows, but the signs are more positive than negative at this time. This whole idea that Cousins hates Snyder/Allen just appears laughable to me. I don't think that I would despise anyone who already threw almost $50M my way & gave me the chance to make even more. I think that the media way overhypes this whole situation as click bait. As someone else mentioned - you also can't discount the whole Gruden/Cousins relationship especially since it now appears that Shanahan is out of the picture.

Give this some time - it may work out to the Redskins advantage.

that is the idea Shark has with the hate between the two.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cmon. You almost sound like you are trying to convince yourself that Cousins will not be in DC no matter what next season. The reality is that nobody knows, but the signs are more positive than negative at this time. This whole idea that Cousins hates Snyder/Allen just appears laughable to me. I don't think that I would despise anyone who already threw almost $50M my way & gave me the chance to make even more. I think that the media way overhypes this whole situation as click bait. As someone else mentioned - you also can't discount the whole Gruden/Cousins relationship especially since it now appears that Shanahan is out of the picture.

Give this some time - it may work out to the Redskins advantage.

Socal.. I dont think Cousins dislikes our FO. I dont think Bruce or Dan have a personal beef with Cousins.

I simply think that like many fans, Kirk is not quit what they want in a QB. I think they are leaving the door open to go in another direction as long as possible. And if by some chance, for what ever reason, the next Wentz type is sitting there for them, they wont hesitate to ditch Kirk. I tend to agree with Skinsdad that if Kirk is resigned for 2018, it will be on another tag and not a long term deal.

 

[gkekoa]

you are the one who thought that. If BA wanted KC gone like you said he does he would of explored trade options. If the organization knows KC is gone no matter what why not get any draft picks for him? The fact that you even think Allen doesn't want to sign KC long term is false.

BA could of went to a lot of teams to shop KC. The fact that he didn't means there is a good chance a long term deal will be done right here in Washington. Why wouldn't the 49ers just wait and see how it played out? Even if KC did sign long term with us they still have the most money in FA to get Grap. Plus they don't give up a high pick. There was no point in trading for him now. The 49ers boxed themselves in.

The 49ers wanted the rights to Grap.

 

[gkekoa]

Im not saying KC to the 49ers. BA still could of shopped him to the Jets or Cle. IF he wanted him out of here why not? This just blows up your theory that BA doesnt want KC here. No way they are going to give up on Grap after a half a season on a bad team. Grap is going to be there guy in 2018.

Pats really screwed themselves by not taking the #12 overall pick for Grap. I believe the 49ers boxed themselves in with doing this deal now. NOt only it takes them out of the KC running but it takes them out of the rookie QB running. Plus you have to factor in that the 49ers have the most money in FA.

I do not believe #12 was ever offered to be honest.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Socal.. I dont think Cousins dislikes our FO. I dont think Bruce or Dan have a personal beef with Cousins.

I simply think that like many fans, Kirk is not quit what they want in a QB. I think they are leaving the door open to go in another direction as long as possible. And if by some chance, for what ever reason, the next Wentz type is sitting there for them, they wont hesitate to ditch Kirk. I tend to agree with Skinsdad that if Kirk is resigned for 2018, it will be on another tag and not a long term deal.

Perhaps - we just don't know & neither does most of the media who just pull most stories out of their ass. We will see. As I have stated several times - I believe it is very possible that they use the tag again next offseason which would just be incredibly stupid.

 

[Sharkinva]

From Kiem on the Grap trade

49ers' trade for Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't alter Kirk Cousins' future with Redskins


Also, and this is key, there was a fear in San Francisco that the Redskins would tag Cousins again -- and therefore either keep him from the 49ers or make a trade with another team. The Redskins would not be inclined to help Shanahan and certainly would not want to trade with his team, knowing it could eventually make them look bad. There's not much love lost between Shanahan and the Redskins, who fired his dad; the last thing they'd want to do is help out Shanahan.



Strange, where have I heard this before??

 

[deanpet21]

From Kiem on the Grap trade

49ers' trade for Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't alter Kirk Cousins' future with Redskins


Also, and this is key, there was a fear in San Francisco that the Redskins would tag Cousins again -- and therefore either keep him from the 49ers or make a trade with another team. The Redskins would not be inclined to help Shanahan and certainly would not want to trade with his team, knowing it could eventually make them look bad. There's not much love lost between Shanahan and the Redskins, who fired his dad; the last thing they'd want to do is help out Shanahan.



Strange, where have I heard this before??

Oh give me a break. The only thing that makes us look bad is if we get absolutely nothing for KC IF he leaves. I didn't realize that the 49ers own two 2nd round picks. So now they are down to one.

 

[deanpet21]

From Kiem on the Grap trade

49ers' trade for Jimmy Garoppolo doesn't alter Kirk Cousins' future with Redskins


Also, and this is key, there was a fear in San Francisco that the Redskins would tag Cousins again -- and therefore either keep him from the 49ers or make a trade with another team. The Redskins would not be inclined to help Shanahan and certainly would not want to trade with his team, knowing it could eventually make them look bad. There's not much love lost between Shanahan and the Redskins, who fired his dad; the last thing they'd want to do is help out Shanahan.



Strange, where have I heard this before??

Plus if the 49ers really wanted KC all they had to do was offer there 2018 first round pick. If you were right about Allen he would of took it.

 

[Sharkinva]

Oh give me a break. The only thing that makes us look bad is if we get absolutely nothing for KC IF he leaves. I didn't realize that the 49ers own two 2nd round picks. So now they are down to one.

So in your opinion it didnt look bad for the team when they chose Jeff George over Brad Johnson. The team tanked with George, and Brad went on to win a Super Bowl with Tampa... Great look for the Redskins organization there.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Socal.. I dont think Cousins dislikes our FO. I dont think Bruce or Dan have a personal beef with Cousins. I simply think that like many fans, Kirk is not quit what they want in a QB. I think they are leaving the door open to go in another direction as long as possible. And if by some chance, for what ever reason, the next Wentz type is sitting there for them, they wont hesitate to ditch Kirk. I tend to agree with Skinsdad that if Kirk is resigned for 2018, it will be on another tag and not a long term deal.

I agree. I don't think the Niners trading for Grop changes much regarding KC's future with the Skins. Washington's chances of resigning him did go up, but there will be plenty of QB-needy teams this offseason (Jags, Jets, Broncos, Browns, etc.). I agree that if KC stays with the Skins, I think it'll be on a transition or franchise tag.

@Sharkinva Cmon Shark. You know damn well SF isn't going to cut bait after 8 games for an up and coming QB with high upside that the great Kyle Shanahan can groom into the next Pro Bowler. Not after giving up a 2nd.

I agree with you. The Niners traded for Grop with the intentions of signing him to a LTD prior to FA opening. Reports from Santa Clara indicate that the Niners FO already knows what Grop's agent is looking for in a new deal and we wouldn't have traded for him unless we were willing to pay it. This deal will get done.

The 49ers wanted the rights to Grap.

imo, it's not just the rights to Grop--it's why it happened when it did. The Niners tried trading for him in the offseason, but the reports say that either (a) the Pats weren't gonna trade him (trying to keep him long term), or (b) the Pats wanted too much for him (something they've done with backups before). So, Why did the trade happen now? B/c the Pats' price dropped b/c the situation changed on the Pats' end. They saw that Brady would still play well at 40 and Grop made it clear that he didn't want starter's pay--he wanted to be a starter, so he was leaving in the offseason and this was the Pats last chance to get anything for him other than a 3rd rd comp in 2019.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

fuck kirk if he goes its on him HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

fuck kirk if he goes its on him HTTR

Wrong. The Redskins have to first make an offer very early in the process & make an honest offer (that some will label as him being overpaid). All that they offered the last time was the equivalent of what Cousins can make if he plays on the tag next season. Don't get carried away with the overall contract amt or yearly amts. The guaranteed money is all that really matters & to date the Redskins have basically been insulting in this area.

They continue to want to use these stupid tags which not only doesn't lock up Cousins - it also casts an air of uncertainty over the entire organization. They probably believe that they are the smartest folks in the NFL - lots of other folks would disagree. If Cousins leaves I probably will no longer root for him, but I won't really be mad at him unless he walks away from a very, very good offer from the Skins (offer - not counter) & again IMO this only really means substantial guaranteed money.

 

[deanpet21]

I agree. I don't think the Niners trading for Grop changes much regarding KC's future with the Skins. Washington's chances of resigning him did go up, but there will be plenty of QB-needy teams this offseason (Jags, Jets, Broncos, Browns, etc.). I agree that if KC stays with the Skins, I think it'll be on a transition or franchise tag.

I agree with you. The Niners traded for Grop with the intentions of signing him to a LTD prior to FA opening. Reports from Santa Clara indicate that the Niners FO already knows what Grop's agent is looking for in a new deal and we wouldn't have traded for him unless we were willing to pay it. This deal will get done.


imo, it's not just the rights to Grop--it's why it happened when it did. The Niners tried trading for him in the offseason, but the reports say that either (a) the Pats weren't gonna trade him (trying to keep him long term), or (b) the Pats wanted too much for him (something they've done with backups before). So, Why did the trade happen now? B/c the Pats' price dropped b/c the situation changed on the Pats' end. They saw that Brady would still play well at 40 and Grop made it clear that he didn't want starter's pay--he wanted to be a starter, so he was leaving in the offseason and this was the Pats last chance to get anything for him other than a 3rd rd comp in 2019.

Let me ask you this. Why go the cheaper unproven route when you had a chance to get KC? Even if KC gets a long term deal or franchised from the Skins the 49ers could still go after Grap in FA which would of cost them nothing. Why the move right now?

 

[j_y19]

Let me ask you this. Why go the cheaper unproven route when you had a chance to get KC? Even if KC gets a long term deal or franchised from the Skins the 49ers could still go after Grap in FA which would of cost them nothing. Why the move right now?

I can answer that. Because if both Grap and KC enter FA, there is no guarantee they get either. This way they land one that they are confident can be a franchise QB, for relatively cheap i might add. And they still retain their 1st round pick that they can most likely parlay into multiple young starters for a good rebuild base. This was a real smart move by SF.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Let me ask you this. Why go the cheaper unproven route when you had a chance to get KC? Even if KC gets a long term deal or franchised from the Skins the 49ers could still go after Grap in FA which would of cost them nothing. Why the move right now?

I've asked the same questions and have spent days sifting through reports and insider tweets on this. This is what I've been able to piece together.

1. Kyle/Lynch were high on both Cousins and Grop.
2. The Niners weren't certain that Cousins wouldn't get another franchise tag (Snyder is a wildcard).
3. If the Niners had to fight it out in FA for Cousins, the team had a leg up on other teams (Shanny)
4. However, the Niners wouldn't have that advantage if they had to chase Grop in FA.
5. Grop's OC could easily become a HC this offseason, and Grop would almost certainly follow him.
6. B/c of 2, 4, and 5, the Niners could be left w/o Grop or KC and would have to draft a QB.
7. Kyle/Lynch weren't as high on the QB draft class as they were on Grop and Cousins.
8. The Pats' price for Grop dropped to something the Niners would pay (and would've paid in February 2017).
9. The Niner FO knows what it'll take to resign Grop and are willing to pay it or are willing to tag him.
10. Getting Grop before FA gives the team a leg up to resign him before the wild spending opening day of FA.

From what I can put together, that is why this trade happened now and the team didn't wait until FA opened to try for one of the Qbs.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

Wrong. The Redskins have to first make an offer very early in the process & make an honest offer (that some will label as him being overpaid). All that they offered the last time was the equivalent of what Cousins can make if he plays on the tag next season. Don't get carried away with the overall contract amt or yearly amts. The guaranteed money is all that really matters & to date the Redskins have basically been insulting in this area.

Well said. If the Skins want Cousins to stay, simply pay him a traditional QB contract instead of guaranteeing only his first 2 years salary, as the Skins' offer did. One is a long term commitment, the other is a 2 year deal with team options for every year after. I.e., instead of a deal where the 55-60M in guarantees is in the first 2 years' guaranteed salaries, offer him a deal with a 55-60M signing bonus. The guaranteed money would be the same, but the signing bonus being prorated over the length of the deal ensures that Cousins can't be cut/traded until very late in the contract (due to prorated bonus acceleration). Though I just made those numbers up, that is the kind of long-term commitment that Cousins is looking for from Allen/Snyder.