The Official Kirk Cousins post MNF game thread .

[Yo Tee]

Whatever dude - you come off as this know-it-all & then sulk when anyone disagrees with you. Go back to the Steelers board. Your opinions add nothing to the conversation except for some laughable comments.

I don't care if you disagree with me, just do it in a respectful way. Don't be a fucking dick about it. Plain and simple. Treat other the way you wanna be treated. Apparently, lots of people on here want to be treated like shit.

 

[deanpet21]

So basically.. chasing elite.

Hi my name is Dean.. and I endorse this course of action.

No. what you don't realize is that the Redskins have to pay top dollar for the statement that I just made. Kc has ample weapons to succeed. I saw an earlier post you made saying that you blamed Allen for the loss of garcon and Jackson. Somehow you think that if those two guys were still here we would be a better team. You are just proving the point that KC needs talent to be successful. that goes back to my original statement.

 

[Stymietee]

Cousins is a stat machine. Those stats aren't surprising. But he can throw for 5,000 yards and the Redskins are still a .500 team. Who's the only one that benefits from that?

I'm going to add this caveat. Kirk Cousins fits this system very well and produces the numbers just as you state however to me he is Drew Bledsoe, once the face of the Patriots franchise and that next level QB who can handle the job as the team readies itself to upgrade at the position. So to me he serves that purpose.

I think that if Kirk leaves Washington, an 80-20 possibility right now, many here will find that he will end up serving in that capacity for whatever team he plays for.

 

[deanpet21]

I'm going to add this caveat. Kirk Cousins fits this system very well and produces the numbers just as you state however to me he is Drew Bledsoe, once the face of the Patriots franchise and that next level QB who can handle the job as the team readies itself to upgrade at the position. So to me he serves that purpose.

I think that if Kirk leaves Washington, an 80-20 possibility right now, many here will find that he will end up serving in that capacity for whatever team he plays for.

KC is not going to win you a Superbowl but you can win a Superbowl with KC. Its such a true statement.

 

[Sharkinva]

No. what you don't realize is that the Redskins have to pay top dollar for the statement that I just made. Kc has ample weapons to succeed. I saw an earlier post you made saying that you blamed Allen for the loss of garcon and Jackson. Somehow you think that if those two guys were still here we would be a better team. You are just proving the point that KC needs talent to be successful. that goes back to my original statement.

NAme me a QB that doesnt need some form of talent around him to succeed. Brady generally has a solid defense, and a good running game to lean on.

Rogers, same deal.

For fuck sake Wentz for all the public knob jobbing he is getting, has one of te better defenses in the league to lean on.

And while our defense has gone from down right putrid, to atleast semi plausible... we still have an issue getting off the field on 3rd down. Philly still had 4 SCORING drive of over 70 yards each.

So again, I agree Kirk is not going to win you a Superbowl all on his own, but getting rid of him to chase elite is a sure fire way of spending another 3-5 years chasing the high.

 

[Yo Tee]

I'm going to add this caveat. Kirk Cousins fits this system very well and produces the numbers just as you state however to me he is Drew Bledsoe, once the face of the Patriots franchise and that next level QB who can handle the job as the team readies itself to upgrade at the position. So to me he serves that purpose.

I think that if Kirk leaves Washington, an 80-20 possibility right now, many here will find that he will end up serving in that capacity for whatever team he plays for.

Unfortunately, the QB position isn't even in the top 5 of problems with the team, in my opinion. You gotta look at the running game, front office and coaching changes first. Need a RB, need a decent RB2, need another solid pass protector, need to look at getting another decent WR because unfortunately, what you got ain't cutting it when your leading pass catcher is a RB who can't run the ball. Then you look at what changes can be made in the front office or coaching staff. Then maybe you look at the QB position.

 

[deanpet21]

NAme me a QB that doesnt need some form of talent around him to succeed. Brady generally has a solid defense, and a good running game to lean on.

Rogers, same deal.

For fuck sake Wentz for all the public knob jobbing he is getting, has one of te better defenses in the league to lean on.

And while our defense has gone from down right putrid, to atleast semi plausible... we still have an issue getting off the field on 3rd down. Philly still had 4 SCORING drive of over 70 yards each.

So again, I agree Kirk is not going to win you a Superbowl all on his own, but getting rid of him to chase elite is a sure fire way of spending another 3-5 years chasing the high.

I agree the defense didn't do him any favors last night. But the Skins have to pay top dollar for a guy who cant carry a team and win a game on his own. that is why the skins are holding off. IF you feel paying 30M plus for an system QB is justified then ok.

 

[Sharkinva]

IF you feel paying 30M plus for an average QB is justified then ok.

And here sir is where you are off base with your comments. Kirk is well above average, and is a top 10-15 QB in this league for the past two seasons, and in this season in fact. Could we get a QB for less?? Sure.. but you get what you pay for. And the other option is one that would thrill you in chasing the elite rookie. But that is apparently going to come at a price as well.

 

[deanpet21]

And here sir is where you are off base with your comments. Kirk is well above average, and is a top 10-15 QB in this league for the past two seasons, and in this season in fact. Could we get a QB for less?? Sure.. but you get what you pay for. And the other option is one that would thrill you in chasing the elite rookie. But that is apparently going to come at a price as well.

ok not average but good system qb. Its the little things that plague KC like a bad throw ball to Reed on the 3rd down play. If he leads him its a first but he threw it behind him giving Jenkins time to make the play. its always the little things. But all the questions should be answered if you are going to give KC 30 plus million per season and they are not. If we have a 6,7, or even 8 win season you cant be surprised if KC is not resigned and Gruden gone.

 

[skinsdad62]

32.tds and 8 picks doesn’t spell game manager to me or stat guy . That tells me other areas are in need of an upgrade .

This guy lost 2, 1000 yd receivers you said carried him dean and yet he is still producing while getting next to nothing from the wr corp. crowder isnt playing well , TP is a bust. Mkd has done next to nothing , Grant can’t run a route to the sticks , reed can’t say healthy

I think he is a bit more then a stat man game manager

 

[Sharkinva]

ok not average but good system qb. Its the little things that plague KC like a bad throw ball to Reed on the 3rd down play. If he leads him its a first but he threw it behind him giving Jenkins time to make the play. its always the little things. But all the questions should be answered if you are going to give KC 30 plus million per season and they are not. If we have a 6,7, or even 8 win season you cant be surprised if KC is not resigned and Gruden gone.

First, aside from winning a Super Bowl I dont expect them to resign Cousins period. And mainly for the reasons you just mentioned. They will nit pic his game to death, placing every loss firmly on his shoulders, and every win will be a supreme team effort. And in the end it will have very little to do with what Kirk is, but more to the point what he isnt. They dont care if he can carry the team, you dont care if he can carry the team. But if he is spoken to and of as if he were elite (read as a first round draft pick in most cases), Bruce would have been tripping over himself to get the deal done, and you would be damning Bruce to hell for NOT getting it done.

 

[Yo Tee]

And here sir is where you are off base with your comments. Kirk is well above average, and is a top 10-15 QB in this league for the past two seasons, and in this season in fact. Could we get a QB for less?? Sure.. but you get what you pay for. And the other option is one that would thrill you in chasing the elite rookie. But that is apparently going to come at a price as well.

He's a top 10-15 QB who plays on a not top 10-15 team. While Kirk Cousins is raking in the stats and money, the Redskins are sitting there at .500 or 1 game over .500 for the last 3 seasons. At some point, someone needs to say "hmmm, can we be a 10-11 game winning team with a different QB?"

 

[skinsdad62]

I agree the defense didn't do him any favors last night. But the Skins have to pay top dollar for a guy who cant carry a team and win a game on his own. that is why the skins are holding off. IF you feel paying 30M plus for an system QB is justified then ok.

The skins FO masterbated themselves and put themselves in this position . You wait and see bull shitters are being exposed yet again by moving the goal posts he again

Calling someone a “ system qb “ is just another way of saying avg dean

Without KC we are the Browns

 

[Sharkinva]

He's a top 10-15 QB who plays on a not top 10-15 team. While Kirk Cousins is raking in the stats and money, the Redskins are sitting there at .500 or 1 game over .500 for the last 3 seasons. At some point, someone needs to say "hmmm, can we be a 10-11 game winning team with a different QB?"

ANd you know what.. that was a valid question.. two years ago. Now the question SHOULD be, if we switch QBs what are the odds we improve vs the odds that we draft the next RG3? Do we actually HAVE the team in place to support a rookie QB. Because lets face it, this is the direction you are hinting at. Do we have the defense that can support a rookie QB?? The WRs?? RB?? If you can honestly answer yes to at least two of those, then sure by all means.. roll the dice and get the shiny new QB.

See here is the thing, Kirk isnt the problem with this team.. but he also might not be the solution the front office wants to accept.

 

[deanpet21]

The skins FO masterbated themselves and put themselves in this position . You wait and see bull shitters are being exposed yet again by moving the goal posts he again

Calling someone a “ system qb “ is just another way of saying avg dean

Without KC we are the Browns

lol. I would not go that far.

 

[deanpet21]

First, aside from winning a Super Bowl I dont expect them to resign Cousins period. And mainly for the reasons you just mentioned. They will nit pic his game to death, placing every loss firmly on his shoulders, and every win will be a supreme team effort. And in the end it will have very little to do with what Kirk is, but more to the point what he isnt. They dont care if he can carry the team, you dont care if he can carry the team. But if he is spoken to and of as if he were elite (read as a first round draft pick in most cases), Bruce would have been tripping over himself to get the deal done, and you would be damning Bruce to hell for NOT getting it done.

Not true at all. IF he is not signed back there are reasons why. Not just b./c he was a 4th round pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

Not true at all. IF he is not signed back there are reasons why. Not just b./c he was a 4th round pick.

And those reasons will have nothing to do with his play, and everything to do with the front office just wanting some one different. Or do you still hold onto the belief that he will suddenly become one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL??

 

[skinsdad62]

Dean is an abc er silent when KC plays well over analyzing when he doesn’t . We are the Browns without KC because colt beats the 49ers maybe

 

[deanpet21]

And those reasons will have nothing to do with his play, and everything to do with the front office just wanting some one different. Or do you still hold onto the belief that he will suddenly become one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL??

No. Never had that belief. When the front office sees KC not dominating against bad teams like the 49ers. There are questions. Of course his play is being evaluated by the front office. lol. Let me ask you this if KC leaves which you think is 100% possible do you think Gruden gets fired?

 

[Yo Tee]

ANd you know what.. that was a valid question.. two years ago. Now the question SHOULD be, if we switch QBs what are the odds we improve vs the odds that we draft the next RG3? Do we actually HAVE the team in place to support a rookie QB. Because lets face it, this is the direction you are hinting at. Do we have the defense that can support a rookie QB?? The WRs?? RB?? If you can honestly answer yes to at least two of those, then sure by all means.. roll the dice and get the shiny new QB.

See here is the thing, Kirk isnt the problem with this team.. but he also might not be the solution the front office wants to accept.

If you don't have the team in place right now, which you don't, you won't have it if you pay Kirk Cousins $27-30 mill a year. I'm not hinting at anything. Basically I'm saying this: If Kirk Cousins throws 5,000 yards, 40 TDs, 10 INTs, but the Redskins are still 8-8 or 9-7, what good is that doing the Redskins? If y'all can't win division titles or NFC titles or even win a damn playoff game, what's the sense in keeping KC around? Look at DeShaun Watson. Rookie QB playing the shit out of the game right now. Look at Carson Wentz. Not a good rookie campaign but he's now led the Eagles to be 6-1. It can happen and it's happening right now with other teams. Question is are you comfortable enough to go through that process, as a fan, to wait 1-2 years for it to pay off. You pay your QB a lot, that leaves you with less money for a good supporting cast.