Why is Ichiro considered automatic for HOF?

[scoutyjones2]

59.4 WAR

107 career OPS+

355 OBP

755 OPS

meh...

 

[nynasty]

3000 hits. Ticket punched.

 

[obxyankeefan]

59.4 WAR

107 career OPS+

355 OBP

755 OPS

meh...

OPS is not a good start for singles hitters

 

[moxie]

For the 1,278 hits he got in Japan

 

[scoutyjones2]

OPS is not a good start for singles hitters

YAY...dynamic singles hitter, what about his hardly impressive OBP????

 

[scoutyjones2]

3000 hits. Ticket punched.

yawn...in a hugely spacious stadium

 

[nynasty]

yawn...in a hugely spacious stadium

3K is 3K. I believe Rose and Palmeiro are the only ones to hit the magic number not enshrined, and there are reasons for that.

Ichiro also has 10 gold gloves, and the single season hit mark as well.

 

[Nosferatu]

3,000 hits
Rookie of the Year
MVP
2 batting titles
262 hits in a season
500 stolen bases
Lead the league seven times in hits
10 gold gloves
.346 Avg and .400 OBP in the post season

 

[scoutyjones2]

3K is 3K. I believe Rose and Palmeiro are the only ones to hit the magic number not enshrined, and there are reasons for that.

Ichiro also has 10 gold gloves, and the single season hit mark as well.

Gold gloves are garbage...look at Hosmer. One cumulative stat...3K hits over 18 years. Pujols is about to push thru 3K, but he also has a 385 OBP and 950 OPS 600 HR's...that's HOF. Not just pretty good

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Makes a killer General Tsos

 

[scoutyjones2]

3,000 hits
Rookie of the Year
MVP
2 batting titles
262 hits in a season
500 stolen bases
Lead the league seven times in hits
10 gold gloves
.346 Avg and .400 OBP in the post season

Wow...2 batting titles in 18 years! Color me unimpressed. Slappy singles hitter playing in a big park. Not saying the guy is very good, I just think it belittles the HOF. Again, 59.4 WAR. How valuable was he?

 

[Nosferatu]

Wow...2 batting titles in 18 years! Color me unimpressed. Slappy singles hitter playing in a big park. Not saying the guy is very good, I just think it belittles the HOF. Again, 59.4 WAR. How valuable was he?

Why is Alan Trammell in?

 

[scoutyjones2]

Why is Alan Trammell in?

Good question. Considering his WAR is 10 points higher and he played a prime SS position and not a corner OF. WS MVP. multiple Silver sluggers. not saying he should be in either

 

[SJ76]

He was on Roids but he made the best egg rolls ever

 

[Nosferatu]

Good question. Considering his WAR is 10 points higher and he played a prime SS position and not a corner OF. WS MVP. multiple Silver sluggers. not saying he should be in either

Point is Ichiro is one of the better hitters we have ever seen, singles count. Trammell never lead the league in anything. A player shouldn't be penalized for the position he played when it comes to HOF voting. There are a bunch of players not nearly as good as Ichiro already in.

 

[Nosferatu]

Also 10 straight years 200+ hits

Ty Cobb only had 9 seasons his entire career with 200 hits.

 

[scoutyjones2]

Point is Ichiro is one of the better hitters we have ever seen, singles count. Trammell never lead the league in anything. A player shouldn't be penalized for the position he played when it comes to HOF voting. There are a bunch of players not nearly as good as Ichiro already in.

You do realize Trammel was WS MVP???

Ichiro was a very good hitter, but how do you ignore a 355 career OBP??? Is that really a great, HOF hitter? And why not compare him to others? Hell, lets compare him to other 3000 hitters...he's worse at OBP, OPS and OPS+ (Beltre, Jeter, Rose, Arod, etc....)

There is the opposite argument...why isn't Simmons in the HOF or Edmonds?

I love the guy but he isn't HOF to me...he didn't transform the game. He never played in a WS.

 

[scoutyjones2]

Also 10 straight years 200+ hits

Ty Cobb only had 9 seasons his entire career with 200 hits.

Yawn. Ty Cobb had a lifetime 366 batting average and 433 OBP...ichiro was meh...slightly above average

 

[StanMarsh51]

Gold gloves are garbage...look at Hosmer.

They are, but the defensive metrics rate Ichiro as a good defender for his career....he's got a +117 career FRAA for starters, and that's with him being mediocre the past few years.

 

[Nosferatu]

You do realize Trammel was WS MVP???

Ichiro was a very good hitter, but how do you ignore a 355 career OBP??? Is that really a great, HOF hitter? And why not compare him to others? Hell, lets compare him to other 3000 hitters...he's worse at OBP, OPS and OPS+ (Beltre, Jeter, Rose, Arod, etc....)

There is the opposite argument...why isn't Simmons in the HOF or Edmonds?

I love the guy but he isn't HOF to me...he didn't transform the game. He never played in a WS.

He never played in a World Series? Not really his fault is it?

Junior Griffey, Frank Thomas, Rod Carew never played in a World Series.

using OPS+ for a singles hitter is never gonna make him look good.

Al Simmons? He is in... Edmonds didn't even get to 2,000 hits.

He still has a .311 Avg even with hanging around to long to get 3,000 so the guy didn't take a walk no reason to ignore the other things he did.

Ozzie was a slam dunk HOFer and hit .262 and his OBP is .337