Top 25 Programs of the BCS Era

[TROJAN-MAN]

The good news for you is Yep I'm an idiot. I didn't think it would make that big of a difference.

Now for the even better news. If you actually average the SOS itself and NOT the positions then Sagarin and Massey agree - UF played the schedule with the better SOS.

Sagarin average UF 76.354 vs USC 76.162

Massey average UF 57.019 vs USC 56.782

So let me get this straight Sagarin has FlA with an average of 76 strongest and USC At 76. You and your Hemorrhoid are so damn comical, I can't stand it. My side is killing me from laughing so hard.. Those SOS rankings are pathetic!

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Gator I have a quick question for you, are you pulling your numbers out a boxlunches ass? Because they look pretty shitty to me. BTW where is boxlunch did he misses short bus on the way home again

 

[33Goat]

Sorry ND fan just can't this seriously. Cuz where is Ball State in all this?

 

[boxedlunch]

So let me get this straight Sagarin has FlA with an average of 76 strongest and USC At 76. You and your Hemorrhoid are so damn comical, I can't stand it. My side is killing me from laughing so hard.. Those SOS rankings are pathetic!

And you're an idiot. What would make you think I agree with him? I've said nothing to that effect. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

And you're an idiot. What would make you think I agree with him? I've said nothing to that effect. You're just too stupid to understand what you read.

What's funny is you call me an idiot and you're the one that says you can't average SOS rankings over a period of years, Who is the real idiot here

 

[Gator]

So let me get this straight Sagarin has FlA with an average of 76 strongest and USC At 76. You and your Hemorrhoid are so damn comical, I can't stand it. My side is killing me from laughing so hard.. Those SOS rankings are pathetic!

No, the first time I was an idiot (as Boxedlunch correctly pointed out) and I averaged the ranking positions and NOT the actual rankings themselves. So, this time around I went back to Sagarin's actual rankings USA Today | Sports | NCAAF
and averaged the rankings themselves. (The link is for 2013 rankings but if you click the tab on his page that says "2013" you can access previous years). The Massey rankings (also a part of the BCS) can be found here. Massey Ratings - CF

Now it your turn to be the idiot for not understanding the Sagarin rankings YOU started us out by using! They aren't pathetic. The higher the SOS ranking the closer the schedule is to a "perfect" schedule (100).

Boxedlunch has provided the NCAA version of SOS and the old BCS version of the SOS (2/3 + 1/3). I have provided the Sagarin and Massey SOS. All four say that over the "BCS era" UF's schedule was tougher than USC's schedule despite UF playing Charleston Southern, Louisiana-Lafayette, et al. We are NOT saying that UF was better or worse than USC over that span.

 

[Gator]

So let me get this straight Sagarin has FlA with an average of 76 strongest and USC At 76. You and your Hemorrhoid are so damn comical, I can't stand it. My side is killing me from laughing so hard.. Those SOS rankings are pathetic!

Can you read?

Now for the even better news. If you actually average the SOS itself and NOT the positions then Sagarin and Massey agree - UF played the schedule with the better SOS.

 

[boxedlunch]

What's funny is you call me an idiot and you're the one that says you can't average SOS rankings over a period of years, Who is the real idiot here

Missed the point again, did you? Not surprised since you've proven you're an idiot.

 

[BamaTee1]

 

[BigRedMoe]

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

No, the first time I was an idiot (as Boxedlunch correctly pointed out) and I averaged the ranking positions and NOT the actual rankings themselves. So, this time around I went back to Sagarin's actual rankings USA Today | Sports | NCAAF
and averaged the rankings themselves. (The link is for 2013 rankings but if you click the tab on his page that says "2013" you can access previous years). The Massey rankings (also a part of the BCS) can be found here. Massey Ratings - CF

Now it your turn to be the idiot for not understanding the Sagarin rankings YOU started us out by using! They aren't pathetic. The higher the SOS ranking the closer the schedule is to a "perfect" schedule (100).

Boxedlunch has provided the NCAA version of SOS and the old BCS version of the SOS (2/3 + 1/3). I have provided the Sagarin and Massey SOS. All four say that over the "BCS era" UF's schedule was tougher than USC's schedule despite UF playing Charleston Southern, Louisiana-Lafayette, et al. We are NOT saying that UF was better or worse than USC over that span.

Really, during the BCS ( 1998 - 2013 ) era Massey only list the top 3 SOS's in his "rating archives" It seems you haven't done you home work, USC is listed 7 times in the top 3 to Fla only 4 time. I would say USC has demonstrated a tougher SOS.

Massey Ratings

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

No, the first time I was an idiot (as Boxedlunch correctly pointed out) and I averaged the ranking positions and NOT the actual rankings themselves. So, this time around I went back to Sagarin's actual rankings USA Today | Sports | NCAAF
and averaged the rankings themselves. (The link is for 2013 rankings but if you click the tab on his page that says "2013" you can access previous years). The Massey rankings (also a part of the BCS) can be found here. Massey Ratings - CF

Now it your turn to be the idiot for not understanding the Sagarin rankings YOU started us out by using! They aren't pathetic. The higher the SOS ranking the closer the schedule is to a "perfect" schedule (100).

Boxedlunch has provided the NCAA version of SOS and the old BCS version of the SOS (2/3 + 1/3). I have provided the Sagarin and Massey SOS. All four say that over the "BCS era" UF's schedule was tougher than USC's schedule despite UF playing Charleston Southern, Louisiana-Lafayette, et al. We are NOT saying that UF was better or worse than USC over that span.

As far as Sagarin goes here is a list for both teams 1998 - 2013

Fla USC
1998 47 11
1999 12 36 SEC CCG
2000 69 10 SEC CCG
2001 23 24
2002 09 01
2003 07 19
2004 57 07
2005 40 08
2006 08 02 SEC CCG
2007 03 29
2008 04 16 SEC CCG
2009 15 19 SEC CCG
2010 21 08
2011 22 33
2012 04 17
2013 19 21
300 261
Divided by Divided by
16 16
= 18.7 avg = 16.3 avg

So it looks like Sagarin has USC a little better, even after Fla had 5 more opportunities to increase their SOS by playing in a CCG.. USC didn't!

 

[boxedlunch]

As far as Sagarin goes here is a list for both teams 1998 - 2013

Fla USC
1998 47 11
1999 12 36 SEC CCG
2000 69 10 SEC CCG
2001 23 24
2002 09 01
2003 07 19
2004 57 07
2005 40 08
2006 08 02 SEC CCG
2007 03 29
2008 04 16 SEC CCG
2009 15 19 SEC CCG
2010 21 08
2011 22 33
2012 04 17
2013 19 21
300 261
Divided by Divided by
16 16
= 18.7 avg = 16.3 avg

So it looks like Sagarin has USC a littler better, even after Fla had 5 more opportunity to increase their SOS by playing in a CCG.. USC didn't!

For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody uses the asinine method of counting positions (which don't measure actual strength), when the actual score (which does measure actual strength) is sitting right beside it. Completely illogical.

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

For the life of me, I don't understand why anybody uses the asinine method of counting positions (which don't measure actual strength), when the actual score (which does measure actual strength) is sitting right beside it. Completely illogical.

You mean like in 2000 Fla had a SOS of 69 or 2004 of 57 or 2005 of 40. USC worst year of SOS was 1999 at 36

 

[Gator]

You mean like in 2000 Fla had a SOS of 69 or 2004 of 57 or 2005 of 40. USC worst year of SOS was 1999 at 36

Chief, you might want to double check those numbers.

 

[NDHoosier101]

This thread got the shit jacked out of it. Gawd damn. It was worth reading at one point.

 

[TROJAN-MAN]

Chief, you might want to double check those numbers.

I don't post bullshit stats like you do. Go to Sagarin archives and check out yourself, Tonto. You have the link to USA..

 

[boxedlunch]

I don't post bullshit stats like you do. Go to Sagarin archives and check out yourself, Tonto. You have the link to USA..

Well, I didn't really care, but now I do, so I checked. In 2000, Florida's SOS was 9th best in 2000, which is well off the 69th that you claimed it was.

Given that, I would have to say that you are full of crap, as usual.

You absolutely fail as a data miner. LOL at you for calling others out.

 

[Gator]

Really, during the BCS ( 1998 - 2013 ) era Massey only list the top 3 SOS's in his "rating archives" It seems you haven't done you home work, USC is listed 7 times in the top 3 to Fla only 4 time. I would say USC has demonstrated a tougher SOS.

Massey Ratings

OMG, you ARE brain dead. I TOLD YOU HOW to get the yearly rankings but you can't follow directions.
For the inept USC fan out there (you), here are the yearly Massey rankings for each year from 2013 back to 1998 complete with link (this means that you are to click on the little high-lighted words below).

2013 Massey Ratings - CF
2012 Massey Ratings - CF
2011 Massey Ratings - CF
2010 Massey Ratings - CF
2009 Massey Ratings - CF
2008 Massey Ratings - CF
2007 Massey Ratings - CF
2006 Massey Ratings - CF
2005 Massey Ratings - CF
2004 Massey Ratings - CF
2003 Massey Ratings - CF
2002 Massey Ratings - CF
2001 Massey Ratings - CF
2000 Massey Ratings - CF
1999 Massey Ratings - CF
1998 Massey Ratings - CF

 

[Wishbone]

“Ranking college football teams and recording data on Excel spreadsheets to determine unique trends and facts has always interested me,” Kellner wrote in a paper that was published by The College Football Historian, a newsletter produced by the Intercollegiate Football Researchers Association. “I have been posting the results of my college football ratings system online at Cody Kellner Points Index - Home since 2002 and I have always been fascinated with the Bowl Championship Series (BCS) and the various polls it included. My interests in tabulating statistics and the BCS is what prompted me to expand on what has been shown in the BCS media guide over the years regarding the weekly BCS standings dating back to 1998.

“Last spring, as college football prepared to enter the last year of the BCS, I decided to produce a comprehensive database of the weekly BCS standings for each school dating back to 1998 and maybe identify some interesting facts along the way.”

So here’s what Kellner tabulated

1. How many times each school has been ranked in the BCS standings;

2. How many different schools appeared in the BCS standings;

3. The best BCS ranking for each school;

4. The number of times each school has been ranked No. 1;

5. The all-time BCS standings using inverse point totals;

6. The number of times each school has held each BCS ranking.”

And here’s what he found.

The three teams with the most appearances in the weekly BCS standings are Texas (104), OU (100), and Florida (92).

Ninety-one schools appeared in the BCS standings from 1998-2013.

Seventeen schools have held the No. 1 ranking in the BCS standings. Only six of these teams did not win a national championship (UCLA, Kansas State, Nebraska, Oregon, Notre Dame and Missouri).

The four schools with the most No. 1 appearances in the weekly BCS standings are OU (20), Alabama (16), Ohio State (15), and USC (15).

Florida State is the only school to have held all 25 possible rankings in the BCS standings at some point in time. West Virginia held every possible BCS ranking with the exception of No. 1. OU held every possible ranking with the exception of No. 21 and Texas held every possible ranking with the exception of No. 8.

The most times for a school to hold a particular ranking in the BCS standings is Oklahoma’s claim to the No. 1 ranking 20 times. The second most is Alabama at No. 2 and Florida at No 4. both 17 times.

The all-time weekly BCS standings using inverse point totals are:

1. Oklahoma (20) 1,821

2. Ohio State (15) 1,626

3. Texas (3) 1,611

4. Florida (7) 1,596

5. LSU (10) 1,503

6. Oregon (1,462)

7. Alabama (16) 1,369

8. Southern (15) 1,338

9. Florida State (9) 1,285

10. Virginia Tech 1,201

11. Georgia 1,138

12. Miami (7) 1,130

13. Michigan 1,026

14. Nebraska 946

15. Boise State 937

16. Wisconsin 876

17. Kansas State (1) 8476

18. Tennessee (5) 836

19. Auburn (3) 817

20. Notre Dame (3) 780

21. TCU 732

22. Penn State 723

23. Stanford 721

24. Oklahoma State 680

25. West Virginia 544

So that’s a good list. OU ranks No. 1 over the last 16 years.


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